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Donegalforever

endainoz wrote: »

We make nothing from our natural resources, you can thank Ray Burke for that.

Yes, Ray Burke seemed to have been very generous with our natural resources.
I should have been looked into.

CrabRevolution

endainoz wrote: »

The figure comes from this article.

http://www.shelltosea.com/content/gas-oil-robbery

Anyway this is getting very much off topic, there's nothing we can do about it now.

That figure is based on the notion that every cent of oil and gas in Ireland would be extracted based on the prices and tax measures that were already out of date the time of writing (2009 at the latest).

Its also based on extraction from the rockall and porcupine basins, which haven't had one fart's worth of gas extracted aside from test drillings. We've also yet to have one mililitre of commercial oil extracted from Irish territory so the loss there is a stinging €0.

It also neglects to mention that the taxes payable on oil and gas extraction in Ireland have also risen numerous times over the last decade. Licenses are only granted for a few years, so there are no operators still paying tax based on the rates from 1987.

addaword

richie123 wrote: »

We are 200 billion in dept and have always being in dept ..we haven't got money for social housing or health and you want to borrow to drill for oil and gas.
Always ask the question why and you won't be long about finding answers.

We cannot build a childrens hospital ourselves efficiently, we could hardly drill for oil ourselves efficiently in one of the most hostile offshore environments in the world. It was never going to happen.

Siamsa Sessions

addaword wrote: »

We cannot build a childrens hospital ourselves efficiently, we could hardly drill for oil ourselves efficiently in one of the most hostile offshore environments in the world. It was never going to happen.

The "we" you mention is a small group of insecure civil servants, TDs, and business community who either can't or chose not to put the community first.

I don't mean to pick on you for a second, but "we" as a country does not exist.

_Brian

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

The "we" you mention is a small group of insecure civil servants, TDs, and business community who either can't or chose not to put the community first.

I don't mean to pick on you for a second, but "we" as a country does not exist.

The “we” as in community spirit is less and less and becoming very fractured I would agree.

The “we” as a nation exists no matter what you think. We as a society elect political leaders, who, no matter if you personally voted for them, they enact legislation to govern the nation.

You don’t get to opt out of the “we” as a nation because the party you voted for isn’t in government. You must live by the rules, accept what comes your way, you can be a rubbish member of society if you wish but still part of the society we live in.

It’s a juvenile attitude that somehow you can throw a tantrum and not be part of society. You will drive on the left, stop at red lights, pay for goods rather than steal them. You no matter how much you think otherwise are part of the “we” that is Irish society.

So yes, when the poster said “we” have made a ****tshow out of the children’s hospital they are dead right, we have.

Siamsa Sessions

_Brian wrote: »

The “we” as in community spirit is less and less and becoming very fractured I would agree.

The “we” as a nation exists no matter what you think. We as a society elect political leaders, who, no matter if you personally voted for them, they enact legislation to govern the nation.

You don’t get to opt out of the “we” as a nation because the party you voted for isn’t in government. You must live by the rules, accept what comes your way, you can be a rubbish member of society if you wish but still part of the society we live in.

It’s a juvenile attitude that somehow you can throw a tantrum and not be part of society. You will drive on the left, stop at red lights, pay for goods rather than steal them. You no matter how much you think otherwise are part of the “we” that is Irish society.

So yes, when the poster said “we” have made a ****tshow out of the children’s hospital they are dead right, we have.

I'm not abdicating responsibilities for a second. People get the politicians that most people vote for. We could have a massive discussion here about democracy and people engaging or not engaging.

There's a very big disconnect between us humble voters and what happens at political level. You could list examples all day that "we" voters have no say in and can't hold anybody to account for.

As with the growing distance between urban and rural dwellers, the space between official decisions and people on the ground is getting larger all the time. As more power in centralised in Dublin, there is less accountability at local level.

You could also look at it from a farming-food viewpoint. "We" as farmers are part of the food supply chain, but does that mean we should always be lumped in with processors and retailers? From one viewpoint, I'd say yes. But that would be a very narrow interpretation.

My only point is that "we" is not straightforward and given how modern democracies function, sometimes 5 million people make a decision but sometimes less than 50 unelected, unaccountable people make a decision for those 5 million.

Good loser

endainoz wrote: »

The figure comes from this article.

http://www.shelltosea.com/content/gas-oil-robbery

Anyway this is getting very much off topic, there's nothing we can do about it now.

You're having a laugh aren't you?


No serious (or sane) person would take any notice of any document those charlatans produced. Must have run the most mind numbingly, farcical and protracted campaign this country has ever had to tolerate.