FF/FG/Green Next Government

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

No, I read your mention of o leary in the SF thread.

That's your problem. Lack of context.
I'm actually, as per the quote, showing the hypocrisy. You quoting it is pointless in your efforts to justify making all things shinner related.

blanch152

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Hang on now.
Discussing SF in the SF thread is completely different to discussing SF constantly in a thread about FF/FG/Green Government

I think the point Bishop of Hope was making is that Bowie discusses his one-eyed, one-sided, conspiracy theory-laden view of Fine Gael and Leo in every thread he visits. For him then to call others out for it is hypocrisy.

Can't say I disagree.

Professor Moriarty

Bowie wrote: »

I think labour need a complete rebuild. Their support of FG and Reilly's clinics helped create the SDs. I would be disappointed to see them hook up with Labour unless Labour get their act together.

I think it might become a political necessity. They will be eclipsed by SF in opposition otherwise. If they were a bloc with 12 TDs they might have some hope of staying in the spotlight.

Bishop of hope

Bowie wrote: »

That's your problem. Lack of context.
I'm actually, as per the quote, showing the hypocrisy. You quoting it is pointless in your efforts to justify making all things shinner related.

My first post in this thread today was about a rocky start for Greens and FF.
The rest have, been in response to other posts made by SF defenders.
I don't think I've said a bad word about SF today.

markodaly

Bowie wrote: »

It is the same people trying to make it about SF. Most of us are trying to discuss the new government.
You post this kind of thing ('Been reading the comments for days decided to chime in') when your next shift starts and Bishop made this analogy the other day.
G'wan and watch Netflix for some inspiration.

I look forward to you changing your handle to Micheal Martin's wife by the way, or do you only do it when gaslighting a gay man?

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

What's wrong with it as you keep on about it?
It's you and him keep saying to stop it, there's nothing wrong with it in my view.
I was accused by him earlier of trying to stop a conversation which was untrue.
If you're going to discuss a thing what's wrong with talking about the alternatives as well.
You're looking for a one sided conversation, not me,

Working SF or FG into a conversation is fine. Trying to make a FG/FF discussion about SF to change the discussion is the issue.

It is true

Case in point:

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Notable to see another SF defender who never voted for SF.
I don't know if you read these threads much, but Leo, Simon, Michael and Éamon are very constantly criticised personalities all the time, theirs a personality behind every rant.
But fair play to your sense of honour that you picked SF to defend seeing as you're never likely to vote for them.

Total shoehorn there to defend FG. Own up.

Tokyo

markodaly wrote: »

I look forward to you changing your handle to Micheal Martin's wife by the way, or do you only do it when gaslighting a gay man?

Mod: Don't post in the thread again.


<edit> Threadban lifted after discussion with poster.

FrancieBrady

Jeepers...just watched a toe curling cabinet briefing there...Leo keeps stepping in to 'explain better' what Michael is saying.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Jeepers...just watched a toe curling cabinet briefing there...Leo keeps stepping in to 'explain better' what Michael is saying.

Will we really have five years of this?

There is a new government, get over it.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Will we really have five years of this?

There is a new government, get over it.

Five years of what? Commenting on something I see before me? Yes, you will.

Professor Moriarty

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Jeepers...just watched a toe curling cabinet briefing there...Leo keeps stepping in to 'explain better' what Michael is saying.

That's natural and will happen for a while. As a former taoiseach, he'll need to induct Martin into the job.

Brendan Bendar

Let’s address the input of the media on the new Govt.

Today’s Drivetime has reporters slavering over the mic to try to big up the Colleary issue.

Who is this guy, why is his promotion so fokking important

Why should people be so a angry that coins like Ring should be ‘let go’?

We the taxpayer are paying for these people , who have been running a fiefdom in their areas as movers and shakers .

Fork that, your time is up, you had a good innings, get out , you can’t run your area for ever.

People......... wake up... watch the media, they just want to stir up the shïte

Vested interests need to be called out

namloc1980

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Let’s address the input of the media on the new Govt.

Today’s Drivetime has reporters slavering over the mic to try to big up the Colleary issue.

Who is this guy, why is his promotion so fokking important

Why should people be so a angry that coins like Ring should be ‘let go’?

We the taxpayer are paying for these people , who have been running a fiefdom in their areas as movers and shakers .

Fork that, your time is up, you had a good innings, get out , you can’t run your area for ever.

People......... wake up... watch the media, they just want to stir up the shïte

Vested interests need to be called out

Trying to generate an early controversy. It's ridiculous. There'll be plenty of time for the media to put the boot in on policy issues.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Let’s address the input of the media on the new Govt.

Today’s Drivetime has reporters slavering over the mic to try to big up the Colleary issue.

Who is this guy, why is his promotion so fokking important

Why should people be so a angry that coins like Ring should be ‘let go’?

We the taxpayer are paying for these people , who have been running a fiefdom in their areas as movers and shakers .

Fork that, your time is up, you had a good innings, get out , you can’t run your area for ever.

People......... wake up... watch the media, they just want to stir up the shïte

Vested interests need to be called out

There is more than the media annoyed about.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There is more than the media annoyed about.

If we said the media, Shinnerbots on Twitter, disaffected hasbeen FF members (O'Cuiv, McGuinness etc), and a handful of posters on boards, would that encompass the whole?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

If we said the media, Shinnerbots on Twitter, disaffected hasbeen FF members (O'Cuiv, McGuinness etc), and a handful of posters on boards, would that encompass the whole?

No. I'm looking at other politicians from the SD's and Labour and non - bots (they exist you know blanch)complaining about it.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No. I'm looking at other politicians from the SD's and Labour and non - bots (they exist you know blanch)complaining about it.

Why would national politicians be seriously complaining about regional distribution of Ministers or poor Dara Calleary not getting a job?

They must think the PfG is brilliant then if they have so little to complain about.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Why would national politicians be seriously complaining about regional distribution of Ministers or poor Dara Calleary not getting a job?

They must think the PfG is brilliant then if they have so little to complain about.

What?

Jesus blanch...it's been headline news all day with politicians being grilled about it. Heather Humphries is just after getting one on National radio right now.

Stop the silly handwaving of stuff away will you?

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No. I'm looking at other politicians from the SD's and Labour and non - bots (they exist you know blanch)complaining about it.

They are the opposition, its their job
The whole where's the minister from the west is stupid
Of course T.D's left out have to be seen to be repeating it too
They don't want to be losing the parish pump element of their vote
It's part I think of the irish political psychic unfortunately that T.D's are Dublin based co councillors
They shouldn't be

James Brown

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Jeepers...just watched a toe curling cabinet briefing there...Leo keeps stepping in to 'explain better' what Michael is saying.

Its like those episodes of the U.S. office where they have two co-managers and one of them thinks hes more of a senior co-manager.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There is more than the media annoyed about.

Like what, buddy?

FrancieBrady

Bowie wrote: »

Its like those episodes of the U.S. office where they have two co-managers and one of them thinks hes more of a senior co-manager.

I knew it would be awkward but not that awkward. I think there might be a few patch markings delivered soon.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

If we said the media, Shinnerbots on Twitter, disaffected hasbeen FF members (O'Cuiv, McGuinness etc), and a handful of posters on boards, would that encompass the whole?

So everyone pretty much (taking into account you think every critic is a shinnerbot).

Don't see a problem with people complaining about lack of representation. Hardly a conspiracy theory or fake news. If the new PFG squad feel the need to come out guns blazing over such things it'll be a rocky few months.

Brendan Bendar

Time the electorate figured out that having a ‘State Car’ in your area was not the beginning of a ‘fiefdom’ and a ruling czar who if he/she approved or dissaproved called the shots.

The days of the ‘Flynn dynasty’ the ‘Burke dynasty’, the Hely-Raes, the ‘Blaneys’ the Haugheys should be long gone.

We don’t need that crap and it should be stamped out.

The leaders of parties need to pick what they think are the most effective people for the ministry, not a sop to appease a bunch of folk with vested interest, but those best equipped to run the country.

Brendan Bendar

Wilson trying to stir it up.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Time the electorate figured out that having a ‘State Car’ in your area was not the beginning of a ‘fiefdom’ and a ruling czar who if he/she approved or dissaproved called the shots.

The days of the ‘Flynn dynasty’ the ‘Burke dynasty’, the Hely-Raes, the ‘Blaneys’ the Haugheys should be long gone.

We don’t need that crap and it should be stamped out.

The leaders of parties need to pick what they think are the most effective people for the ministry, not a sop to appease a bunch of folk with vested interest, but those best equipped to run the country.

Exaggerating again Brendan.

There is no Cabinet minister in the west and north west and scant ministers anywhere else but in Cork and Dublin. Representation has been reduced for the electorate at high level in government.

Fair enough if you have a grand plan in mind but the way this 'plan' was rolled out was sketchy and unexplained. Not a good start.
Calleary on trying to hide his obvious anger atm.

Brendan Bendar

Calleary not handling it too well.

Should have not implicitly admitted to Wilson he was disappointed .

Should have emphasized the positive, and put her in her box.

Big deal, wanted a dept, didn’t get it, does the whole country break down and cry.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Exaggerating again Brendan.

There is no Cabinet minister in the west and north west and scant ministers anywhere else but in Cork and Dublin. Representation has been reduced for the electorate at high level in government.

Fair enough if you have a grand plan in mind but the way this 'plan' was rolled out was sketchy and unexplained. Not a good start.
Calleary on trying to hide his obvious anger atm.

Where am I exaggerating, a chara.

Bishop of hope

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Calleary not handling it too well.

Should have not implicitly admitted to Wilson he was disappointed .

Should have emphasized the positive, and put her in her box.

Big deal, wanted a dept, didn’t get it, does the whole country break down and cry.

Bad start, first day and rural Ireland looking forgotten already.
That's what most out here in the sticks were worried about, especially with the Greens, involved. The East and South well represented though.
Many FFrs in local govt disgusted and people in the streets.
Let's hope the juniors are more central and west.
Fair play to Calleary for highlighting his displeasure.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Where am I exaggerating, a chara.

That people are wanting 'fiefdoms'.