FF/FG/Green Next Government

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Bad start, first day and rural Ireland looking forgotten already.
That's what most out here in the sticks were worried about, especially with the Greens, involved. The East and South well represented though.
Many FFrs in local govt disgusted and people in the streets.
Let's hope the juniors are more central and west.

Yeh, I am wondering was it done to give the Greens a free hand for whatever they have in mind. No resistance in cabinet.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That people are wanting 'fiefdoms'.

You are one very naive poster,a chara.

And listen ,I dont want to dance on the head of a pin with you for three or four weeks, so try to drag yourself into 2020.

Mortelaro

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Bad start, first day and rural Ireland looking forgotten already.
That's what most out here in the sticks were worried about, especially with the Greens, involved. The East and South well represented though.
Many FFrs in local govt disgusted and people in the streets.
Let's hope the juniors are more central and west.
Fair play to Calleary for highlighting his displeasure.

Does this go on in any other western democracy?

An Ciarraioch

There may be a legitimate point about talent trumping geography, but if the party leaders had met beforehand, however informally, to discuss their appointments, there is little doubt that one place would have been reserved for Connacht, with Calleary in before Donnelly.

An Ciarraioch

Mortelaro wrote: »

Does this go on in any other western democracy?

Certainly does in Spain, where both the Socialists and the PP regularly have to satisfy Basques, Catalans and Galicians.

James Brown

Speaking of abroad. Former French PM got done today for creating a fake job for his wife. Our lot have it so handy.

Bishop of hope

Mortelaro wrote: »

Does this go on in any other western democracy?

Probably, I'm not saying it's undemocratic or anything, but it's disappointing for large areas.
A whole province, with no minister, has that ever happened before here?
Then include Donegal, Cavan., Longford Westmeath and Limerick andTipoerary all bordering each other through landmass, its a large area of countryside.
And Clare of course too touching

Bishop of hope

Bowie wrote: »

Speaking of abroad. Former French PM got done today for creating a fake job for his wife. Our lot have it so handy.

French politics now?

Truthvader

Bowie wrote: »

Why? Do you think the Garda play politics and would leak sensitive info to TD's?
Norn Iron, very mature. Do you make fun of other people or parts ot the country too?

Quinlivan is not a fit person to be a Minister of any kind. Full stop. As you well know the Guards report to and are directed by the Minister for Justice as part of the Executive or Government. Only a "Committed Republican" to use the Sinn Fein IRA code or a person of low intelligence would propose him.

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

French politics now?

Yes. What of it? Following one on Spain.
Comparing how handy our lot have it.
Imagine a politician getting done for creating a job for a relative.

James Brown

Truthvader wrote: »

Quinlivan is not a fit person to be a Minister of any kind. Full stop. As you well know the Guards report to and are directed by the Minister for Justice as part of the Executive or Government. Only a "Committed Republican" to use the Sinn Fein IRA code or a person of low intelligence would propose him.

I don't think the Garda would break the law if the justice minister asked.

Bannasidhe

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That's natural and will happen for a while. As a former taoiseach, he'll need to induct Martin into the job.

Did I miss when Enda did that?
Or Bertie???

Edgware

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Probably, I'm not saying it's undemocratic or anything, but it's disappointing for large areas.
A whole province, with no minister, has that ever happened before here?
Then include Donegal, Cavan., Longford Westmeath and Limerick andTipoerary all bordering each other through landmass, its a large area of countryside.
And Clare of course too touching

Well if the people of Clare fail to elect high calibre people like Timmy Dooley they only have themselves to blame. I'm sure Violet will look after them.

Edgware

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Time the electorate figured out that having a ‘State Car’ in your area was not the beginning of a ‘fiefdom’ and a ruling czar who if he/she approved or dissaproved called the shots.

The days of the ‘Flynn dynasty’ the ‘Burke dynasty’, the Hely-Raes, the ‘Blaneys’ the Haugheys should be long gone.

We don’t need that crap and it should be stamped out.

The leaders of parties need to pick what they think are the most effective people for the ministry, not a sop to appease a bunch of folk with vested interest, but those best equipped to run the country.

As Paraic Flynn used say " Keep the car with the star in Castlebar"

Floppybits

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I dunno...could Martin be that naive and stupid ultimately? Was there nobody in FF who could have taken a look at the map and seen the issue?

Unless FG threatened to walk over it.

Or the desperate. I believe he was so desperate to be Taoiseach that he would have agreed to anything just to get that position. It does look like FG used that to their advantage.:pac:

Dank Janniels

It was interesting to see the others in opposition turn on SF yesterday- Alan Kelly and that Donaghue guy Independant. Obviously they are all gona come down on the Coalition like a ton of bricks but not with a united front. Id say some of the Inds aint happy about being ignored, hoping to make their mark on proceedings.

Brendan Bendar

We all remember the ‘Welcome to Parlon Country’ sign.

That’s the kind of fcuukery that’s going on with Calleary.

How people accept that kind of stuff is beyond me.

You live in Ireland, and are not under the thumb of any cretin who thinks he or she rules the ‘country’

JohnnyFlash

Bowie wrote: »

Yes. What of it? Following one on Spain.
Comparing how handy our lot have it.
Imagine a politician getting done for creating a job for a relative.

The bit you conveniently left out is that he created specific roles for his family which they never carried out. That’s fraud, hence why he was convicted of fraud.

It’s nothing like an Irish politician hiring a family member to be their parliamentary secretary.

Your attempts to stroke up a bit of outrage really aren’t working these days. Just boring now.

jmayo

blanch152 wrote: »

If we said the media, Shinnerbots on Twitter, disaffected hasbeen FF members (O'Cuiv, McGuinness etc), and a handful of posters on boards, would that encompass the whole?

Ehh over 1 million people in the area of Mid-West, Connacht and Ulster have no vote in cabinet.
Oh yeah they got a voice as you were quick to tell us.
There are a lot of peed off people and the writing was firmly put on the wall for vast swaths of rural Ireland.

No minister, rural affairs lumped in with social welfare, green junior minister in agriculture already lecturing us about 7% cut in carbon, green transport minister with FG lackie that was his mate on Climate Action committee.

And seriously you are always having a go at the likes of Francie for being a shinnerbot, but you are towing some kind of line yourself.

Oh and good luck finding one post of mine supporting sinn fein so no not shinnerbot.


And as for the other genius who tries to rile posters by referring to them as a chara or buddy and the idea of fiefdoms.
Dear god.

Funny how it is usually Dublin based posters, probably Dublin bred posters or the ones that would like to forget their rural roots, that are always quick to attribute pork barrel and parish pump politics to the country when it has been very evident within their own backyard.

James Brown

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The bit you conveniently left out is that he created specific roles for his family which they never carried out. That’s fraud, hence why he was convicted of fraud.

It’s nothing like an Irish politician hiring a family member to be their parliamentary secretary.

Your attempts to stroke up a bit of outrage really aren’t working these days. Just boring now.

Why conveniently? What do you believe I'm trying to get?

Correct.

You are paranoid dude.

You never responded:

JohnnyFlash
The social democrats are the Labour Party for slow learners.

How so?

FrancieBrady

jmayo wrote: »

Funny how it is usually Dublin based posters, probably Dublin bred posters or the ones that would like to forget their rural roots, that are always quick to attribute pork barrel and parish pump politics to the country when it has been very evident within their own backyard.

Did somebody mention 'parish pump' pollitics? Leo had the cheek to say today, defending the omission that 'all ministers have a national remit' yet here is how he sells himself.

namloc1980

jmayo wrote: »

Ehh over 1 million people in the area of Mid-West, Connacht and Ulster have no vote in cabinet.

Actually just about 5 million people in the country have no vote at cabinet. Only 15 people have such a vote.

Bishop of hope

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

We all remember the ‘Welcome to Parlon Country’ sign.

That’s the kind of fcuukery that’s going on with Calleary.

How people accept that kind of stuff is beyond me.

You live in Ireland, and are not under the thumb of any cretin who thinks he or she rules the ‘country’

That's a good one, lol.
I'm not sure you meant it to be, but it's a fair comment.
Calleary was very magnanimous about it on the news, getting on with his job in fairness to him.

Bishop of hope

namloc1980 wrote: »

Actually just about 5 million people in the country have no vote at cabinet. Only 15 people have such a vote.

Every voter has a vote, just wait.

JohnnyFlash

Bowie wrote: »

How so?

The Soc Dems have not a single substantive policy issue that differs from the Labour Party. They are both centre-left parties. The Soc Dem mainly appeals to people who are actually Labour Party voters, but want to feel the ideological purity that comes about from voting for a party who have never had to deal with the harsh realities of Government - balancing budgets, making difficult choices, not being able to bring about a utopia, dealing with the realities of bond, debt, recessions etc etc.



Kumbaya stuff.

Water John

Bishop of hope wrote: »

That's a good one, lol.
I'm not sure you meant it to be, but it's a fair comment.
Calleary was very magnanimous about it on the news, getting on with his job in fairness to him.

Calleary was magnanimous, when the damage was done. It won't be forgotten in FF. Between Ring and Kenny, Mayo has done fine.

Bishop of hope

Water John wrote: »

Calleary was magnanimous, when the damage was done. It won't be forgotten in FF. Between Ring and Kenny, Mayo has done fine.

It's not just about Mayo though.

Water John

Bishop of hope wrote: »

It's not just about Mayo though.

For Calleary, it is.

James Brown

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The Soc Dems have not a single substantive policy issue that differs from the Labour Party. They are both centre-left parties. The Soc Dem mainly appeals to people who are actually Labour Party voters, but want to feel the ideological purity that comes about from voting for a party who have never had to deal with the harsh realities of Government - balancing budgets, making difficult choices, not being able to bring about a utopia, dealing with the realities of bond, debt, recessions etc etc.



Kumbaya stuff.

Actually shorthall left because Labour wouldn't stand on principle. She left her party when it was in government. So she's both the experience of Labour, in government, but retained her ethics and values. Unlike Labour.
Also its more likely she'll stand by any pre-election promises.
Add to that FF and SF and SD's and Labour and PBP having similar policies on housing.
Basically your comment is an ill informed slur.

Topgear on Dave

Bowie wrote: »

Actually shorthall left because Labour wouldn't stand on principle. She left her party when it was in government. So she's both the experience of Labour, in government, but retained her ethics and values. Unlike Labour.
Also its more likely she'll stand by any pre-election promises.
Add to that FF and SF and SD's and Labour and PBP having similar policies on housing.
Basically your comment is an ill informed slur.

LOL she's happy in opposition. The heat was too much in health.

"Pre-election promises" She can sit in lofty opposition and condemn the government for not delivering. Good times.