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FF/FG/Green Next Government

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    #5102
    Limpy
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    Teflon McGrath..must be getting advice from Tony Blair.


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    #5103
    Truthvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    Completely agree.....my point though is if you give people more responsibility you have to pay them.

    It’s the same in all walks of life.

    I suppose they wont have to steal ink cartridges to turn a few bob


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    #5104
    ronivek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    The govt that keeps giving...

    https://www.thejournal.ie/michael-mcgrath-forgets-5158882-Jul2020/



    The timing is unreal.

    Is it that unusual that a Government coalition of 3 parties might want a super junior from each party in cabinet?

    And to be clear the change was to increase the number of 'Super Junior' positions; it did nothing to change pay or allowances other than to add an existing allowance to the net pay of a 3rd super junior.


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    #5105
    Limpy
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭Limpy


    ronivek wrote: »
    Is it that unusual that a Government coalition of 3 parties might want a super junior from each party in cabinet?

    And to be clear the change was to increase the number of 'Super Junior' positions; it did nothing to change pay or allowances other than to add an existing allowance to the net pay of a 3rd super junior.

    Why would FF block it in 2017 and support it now.


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    #5106
    ronivek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Limpy wrote: »
    Why would FF block it in 2017 and support it now.

    I suspect in part because at the time Leo Varadkar appointed 4 super junior Ministers; 3 from Fine Gael and one Independent. I'm not sure which of those 4 would have been entitled to the extra allowance and which would already have been claiming the allowance.

    Aside from the fact in many cases the Opposition will vote against the Government as a matter of course.


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    #5107
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Truthvader wrote: »
    I suppose they wont have to steal ink cartridges to turn a few bob

    Or work a second job over in Europe.

    Still, 16000 though, nice.


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    #5108
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Limpy wrote: »
    Why would FF block it in 2017 and support it now.

    Maybe things have changed?

    With time are people not allowed change their opinion?


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    #5109
    Limpy
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Maybe things have changed?

    With time are people not allowed change their opinion?

    When it means getting Extra money to me or my mate definitely. I'd support it all day I suppose, fair enough.


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    #5110
    KyussB
    Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭KyussB


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    I think the opposition will give FFG 2 years or more. They wont want to take over during a severe recession and they will sit back and watch FFG stumble around in chaos (look at the first month). I cant see any winners for the FFGG govt. The 30 billion of borrowing this year will eventually require an austerity period.
    Eh? Borrowing never requires austerity. 30 billion we take out this year, will be more sustainable than it is now, in 2 years - not less... - thus lessening the case for austerity even more.


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    #5111
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Maybe things have changed?

    With time are people not allowed change their opinion?

    Like how Sinn Féin have changed their position on Europe say?


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    #5112
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Like how Sinn Féin have changed their position on Europe say?

    Waiting to see how the wind blows


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    #5113
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Edgware wrote: »
    Waiting to see how the wind blows

    Like leo on same sex marriage.


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    #5114
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Bowie wrote: »
    Like leo on same sex marriage.

    Or FF and pay rises for super junior ministers. Over the line just before they all head off on holiday too.


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    #5115
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Maybe things have changed?

    With time are people not allowed change their opinion?
    Wasnt the election all about "change" ?
    Well you're ****ing getting it now


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    #5116
    dark crystal
    Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Hundreds of thousands of people unable to pay for their rent/mortgages, hundreds of thousands after losing their jobs, politicians literally asleep on the job only waking up long enough to veto the living wage bill and there's people on here who actually think it's A-OK for these politicians to award their own a pay rise of 16K because 124K just isn't enough??

    Unbelievable. Great little country we have here alright.


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    #5117
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Hundreds of thousands of people unable to pay for their rent/mortgages, hundreds of thousands after losing their jobs, politicians literally asleep on the job only waking up long enough to veto the living wage bill and there's people on here who actually think it's A-OK for these politicians to award their own a pay rise of 16K because 124K just isn't enough??

    Unbelievable. Great little country we have here alright.
    And its unbelievable that people think "the other crowd" would behave any differently


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    #5118
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Edgware wrote: »
    And its unbelievable that people think "the other crowd" would behave any differently

    Yeah, we should just carry on with our heads in the sand. This is the benchmark, no one else will do any better. No point giving them a chance. Soldier on.


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    #5119
    dark crystal
    Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Edgware wrote: »
    And its unbelievable that people think "the other crowd" would behave any differently

    Which "other crowd"? Do you mean SF?

    Sure FFFG didn't believe their values or ethics held up to their own great values or ethics and refused to even talk to them when forming government talks, so they're not in power, FFFGG are. They're the ones making decisions like vetoing the living wage bill and immediately after awarding themselves a bumper pay rise in the middle of a pandemic, not SF.

    Do you think that was the correct move on the government's part?


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    #5120
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    Yeah, we should just carry on with our heads in the sand. This is the benchmark, no one else will do any better. No point giving them a chance. Soldier on.


    If you think a party of moronic populism like SF are an alternative then you need your head examined. When you have a halfwit like Pearse Doherty as your finance spokesman then you know you aren't exactly dealing with a party bursting with talent.



    Full of bluster, outrage, piss and vinegar. The more astute of us can see right through it.


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    #5121
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Which "other crowd"? Do you mean SF?

    Sure FFFG didn't believe their values or ethics held up to their own great values or ethics and refused to even talk to them when forming government talks, so they're not in power, FFFGG are. They're the ones making decisions like vetoing the living wage bill and immediately after awarding themselves a bumper pay rise in the middle of a pandemic, not SF.

    Do you think that was the correct move on the government's part?


    The living wage bill was voted down as it was completely unsustainable.


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    #5122
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Edgware wrote: »
    And its unbelievable that people think "the other crowd" would behave any differently

    What's sad is people trying to discuss it and deflection like this.
    'but them others is worser' isn't cutting it anymore. Especially now its FF/FG as one.

    The pay raise or supplement was a cynical gouging move on the tax payer.


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    #5123
    dark crystal
    Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    If you think a party of moronic populism like SF are an alternative then you need your head examined. When you have a halfwit like Pearse Doherty as your finance spokesman then you know you aren't exactly dealing with a party bursting with talent.



    Full of bluster, outrage, piss and vinegar. The more astute of us can see right through it.

    But why keep bringing SF into it? They're not in government, they didn't pass this bill. The current coalition did. Do you think this pay rise was justified in the middle of this pandemic, where so many people are struggling with everyday bills?


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    #5124
    koutoubia
    Registered Users Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭koutoubia


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Hundreds of thousands of people unable to pay for their rent/mortgages, hundreds of thousands after losing their jobs, politicians literally asleep on the job only waking up long enough to veto the living wage bill and there's people on here who actually think it's A-OK for these politicians to award their own a pay rise of 16K because 124K just isn't enough??

    Unbelievable. Great little country we have here alright.
    Dont forget they voted down a bill as well that stops business from simply upping sticks and leaving the staff with statutory redundancy to be picked up by the taxpayer.
    Debenhams is Cleary's mark 2.


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    #5125
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    dark crystal wrote: »
    But why keep bringing SF into it? They're not in government, they didn't pass this bill. The current coalition did. Do you think this pay rise was justified in the middle of this pandemic, where so many people are struggling with everyday bills?


    Yes, I do think it was justified. I'm of the opinion that politicians are underpaid. I certainly wouldn't do their job for the money they make. Working huge hours, continual public scrutiny, abuse from losers online, no job security.



    Fúck that for a game of snooker.


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    #5126
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    If you think a party of moronic populism like SF are an alternative then you need your head examined. When you have a halfwit like Pearse Doherty as your finance spokesman then you know you aren't exactly dealing with a party bursting with talent.



    Full of bluster, outrage, piss and vinegar. The more astute of us can see right through it.

    FF never do populism of course.

    I see Bertie was doing the rounds this week starting the ball rolling on whitewashing his own history.

    I'm sure he's changed his mind on a few things. I understand that that's now allowed.


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    #5127
    dark crystal
    Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    koutoubia wrote: »
    Dont forget they voted down a bill as well that stops business from simply upping sticks and leaving the staff with statutory redundancy to be picked up by the taxpayer.
    Debenhams is Cleary's mark 2.

    One rule for ordinary taxpayers and one for politicians. Horses for courses really.

    How could one possibly be expected to live on 124K? It's unsustainable!


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    #5128
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Yes, I do think it was justified. I'm of the opinion that politicians are underpaid. I certainly wouldn't do their job for the money they make. Working huge hours, continual public scrutiny, abuse from losers online, no job security.



    Fúck that for a game of snooker.

    The 5 Ps
    Perks, payment, power ,pension ,job is a piece of pīss

    Handy life. Off on holidays now. Recent pay rise


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    #5129
    [Deleted User]
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    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    abuse from losers online

    2 posts earlier,calls pearse doherty a halfwit :rolleyes:


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    #5130
    dark crystal
    Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Yes, I do think it was justified. I'm of the opinion that politicians are underpaid. I certainly wouldn't do their job for the money they make. Working huge hours, continual public scrutiny, abuse from losers online, no job security.

    Fúck that for a game of snooker.

    Underpaid? Right, ok.

    So by that justification, nurses and carers also deserve a pay rise, yes? overworked, underpaid etc. Will we see a pay rise for them soon do you think?


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    #5131
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    If you think a party of moronic populism like SF are an alternative then you need your head examined. When you have a halfwit like Pearse Doherty as your finance spokesman then you know you aren't exactly dealing with a party bursting with talent.



    Full of bluster, outrage, piss and vinegar. The more astute of us can see right through it.

    The more astute of us he says.


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