FF/FG/Green Next Government

ExMachina1000

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

What a load of ring! Lol.

EU are looking to introduce eu wide tax levy on big tech, plastics and something else I can't remember

Austerity and tax increases will be required to collect and pay back loans on time.

Dont work for a paddy

Truthvader

StackSteevens wrote: »

Anyone but the IRA, the Greens or the Soc Dems.

Maybe Alan Kelly's duds deserve a chance.

Love to see Labour get their act together but dont think Alan is the man. But cant think of anyone else. The left is totally fragmented and distracted with loons and charlatans. Plus the Sinn Fein fascist party inserted in the middle of it all sucking up votes which will always be wasted. Hard to see how or who could unify the left into any kind of rational alternative

Shefwedfan

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Of course not. They say in Australia that you should never work for a paddy boss. They will work you hard. Our politicians are paddy bosses. It's in the Irish psyche. Greed and an idea that once in power you are better than those below you.
It's our nature.

What are you talking about?

Who says in Australia not to work for an Irish boss?

Brendan Bendar

Truthvader wrote: »

Love to see Labour get their act together but dont think Alan is the man. But cant think of anyone else. The left is totally fragmented and distracted with loons and charlatans. Plus the Sinn Fein fascist party inserted in the middle of it all sucking up votes which will always be wasted. Hard to see how or who could unify the left into any kind of rational alternative

All too interested in holding on to their own seats,which of course they couldn’t do if in govt.

Once they would have the hard decisions to make that would be the end of them.

And there will be hard decisions to make.

Nah mate, you won’t see those coves In govt anytime soon.

They don’t want responsibility.

ExMachina1000

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What are you talking about?

Who says in Australia not to work for an Irish boss?

I'm talking about your financial future. Or lack of it .
I'm talking about the terrible eu budget result for Ireland.

I'm talking real life.

Anyone with a bit of experience about them

Fann Linn

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

All too interested in holding on to their own seats,which of course they couldn’t do if in govt.

Once they would have the hard decisions to make that would be the end of them.

And there will be hard decisions to make.

Nah mate, you won’t see those coves In govt anytime soon.

They don’t want responsibility.

Just as well Brenners we have all those responsible and experienced lads in govt so.

Brendan Bendar

Fann Linn wrote: »

Just as well Brenners we have all those responsible and experienced lads in govt so.

Not showing it so far, Stay, have to agree there.

ExMachina1000

Proportional representation is not best for our country .

"Small Parties Get Too Many Concessions in Coalition Governments

Critics of PR are also concerned that small parties may exercise undo power in the ruling coalitions. They fear that these small parties can use their leverage to wring concessions from their larger coalition partners, perhaps resulting in the adoption of radical policies not supported by most voters"

Sound familiar

Shefwedfan

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I'm talking about your financial future. Or lack of it .
I'm talking about the terrible eu budget result for Ireland.

I'm talking real life.

Anyone with a bit of experience about them

So in other words they don't say anything in Australia about working for an Irish boss?

KyussB

Some slight, vanishingly small signs of potentially emerging backbone from some Green TD's. Probably nothing. Be gone tomorrow most likely.

If enough of them can collapse government and then jump ship - maybe we can have a proper Progressive Green Party by the end of the year, ready for a 2021 election.

Incredibly unlikely, but who knows.

ExMachina1000

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So in other words they don't say anything in Australia about working for an Irish boss?

Irish people do.

That part of my statement is the least of your worries pal

Muahahaha

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is today the last day of Dail before holidays, this "new" government has got off to an awful start

yeah they are wrapped up now for six weeks holidays, Id say all the government TDs are grateful for that because the last six weeks has been like a heavyweight boxer battering around a welterweight. Its only the end of the first round and the FFGG government are staggering back to their corner bruised and battered.

Senior hurling Heavyweight boxing lads, etc, etc

James Brown

Fann Linn wrote: »

Just as well Brenners we have all those responsible and experienced lads in govt so.

The 'best people' :rolleyes:

hotmail.com

This junior Green minister that no one has ever heard should now decide on whether he can support the government. He can't have it both ways by abstaining.

He wasn't elected to abstain.

Brendan Bendar

Muahahaha wrote: »

yeah they are wrapped up now for six weeks holidays, Id say all the government TDs are grateful for that because the last six weeks has been like a heavyweight boxer battering around a welterweight. Its only the end of the first round and the FFGG government are staggering back to their corner bruised and battered.

Senior hurling Heavyweight boxing lads, etc, etc

More like guerilla warfare I’d say mesell.....plenty experience there:cool:

LawBoy2018

What happens if a TD is expelled from their party? Do they become independent?

hotmail.com

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

What happens if a TD is expelled from their party? Do they become independent?

Basically yes. They then get an allowance for being an independent by the way to make up for losing party money for literature, campaigning etc.

Expelled TDs can and have remained loyal to the government they've left and it doesn't mean they'll vote them down in a no confidence motion.

Truthvader

What is it with the Green Party and their hair?

First Eamo, then I notice Joe O'Brien and Nessa Whatshername today

A party where they are willing to dye for their principles ........Geddit??

Sierra Oscar

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

They're being backed by almost 10 independents though which gives them more wiggle room.

The Government is reliant on Green Party participation nonetheless and Varadkar has already put it on the record that Fine Gael will be gone if the Green Party fall away.

The Green Party have essentially lost 2 of their 12 TD's tonight alone, including their whip, and it wasn't even a contentious vote.

The whole thing is shaky and is already crumbling away. Imagine what it will be like when an actual tough and divisive vote comes around.

Floppybits

Varadkar is not helping the situation with his attitude, its as if he wants to push to Martin into bringing down the government.

Shefwedfan

Truthvader wrote: »

What is it with the Green Party and their hair?

First Eamo, then I notice Joe O'Brien and Nessa Whatshername today

A party where they are willing to dye for their principles ........Geddit??

And clothes, don’t forget the clothes

James Brown

Floppybits wrote: »

Varadkar is not helping the situation with his attitude, its as if he wants to push to Martin into bringing down the government.

That's who he is. ****ty attitude and no substance.

da_miser

We have got to take short term pain for long term gain.
The best thing that can happen to Ireland is the FF-FG-Green government continues to stumble from disaster to disaster, a absolute calamity is what is needed to finally get the population voting for these chancers to give some thought to who they vote for in the next election.

Shefwedfan

da_miser wrote: »

We have got to take short term pain for long term gain.
The best thing that can happen to Ireland is the FF-FG-Green government continues to stumble from disaster to disaster, a absolute calamity is what is needed to finally get the population voting for these chancers to give some thought to who they vote for in the next election.

So who will they vote for then?

smurgen

Remember when it was imperatives that we got a Government together but not a unity government because of all the immediate emergency stuff coming up? The need for a strong and stable government right? They must have done some work to say they can still take this break so soon.

https://twitter.com/rte/status/1289085484111745024?s=19

Shefwedfan

smurgen wrote: »

Remember when it was imperatives that we got a Government together but not a unity government because of all the immediate emergency stuff coming up? The need for a strong and stable government right? They must have done some work to say they can still take this break so soon.

https://twitter.com/rte/status/1289085484111745024?s=19

So you take no holidays every year?

Are you saying if another party was in government they wouldn’t take holidays either?

Shefwedfan

smurgen wrote: »

Remember when it was imperatives that we got a Government together but not a unity government because of all the immediate emergency stuff coming up? The need for a strong and stable government right? They must have done some work to say they can still take this break so soon.

https://twitter.com/rte/status/1289085484111745024?s=19

Our friends in Northern Ireland seem to have a nice holiday

http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/about-the-assembly/general-information/

11 July 2020 to 1 September 2020

Just for a comparison of course. Didn’t hear you complain when they went on hols in the height of covid?

hotmail.com

The Greens sanctioned the two TDs. Both have lost speaking rights for 2 months. The ban starts now, so it includes the 6 weeks holiday recess.

Is the Green Party a complete joke ?

Shefwedfan

hotmail.com wrote: »

Is the Green Party a complete joke ?

Why?

JohnnyFlash

I'd say there will be a split in the Green Party soon between the folks who get what real politics is about, and the dream catcher ideological sorts who think everything should be about high falutin principles over actually getting stuff done.

Still think there's a good chance of a FF/SF/Independents government before the end of the year.