FF/FG/Green Next Government

is_that_so

political analyst wrote: »

The Taoiseach wouldn't dare to sack the Green ministers if Ryan didn't sanction the rebel Green TDs because to do so would lead to another general election this year.

It's not quite a sackable offence, they still have the numbers but very slack by the Greens. Even the Kerry twins and the rural alliance wouldn't have broken rank so fast. I don't know if he'll make it the full two years as there are bound to be other points of principle to abstain on.

smurgen

Shefwedfan wrote: »

All of the above is your personal opinion and based on nothing.



You posted a link which you either didnt read or didn't understand. Own it and move on.

You were supporting drink driving and animal abuse there awhile back. Fair play to ya for holding onto the same username.

Shefwedfan

smurgen wrote: »

You were supporting drink driving and animal abuse there awhile back. Fair play to ya for holding onto the same username.

:P


Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story

ExMachina1000

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/second-shock-of-brexit-may-be-too-much-for-ireland-to-cope-with-coveney-told-1.4317097

The news gets better and better for good ol Ireland

Shefwedfan

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/second-shock-of-brexit-may-be-too-much-for-ireland-to-cope-with-coveney-told-1.4317097

The news gets better and better for good ol Ireland

Uk is basket case at the moment, they took the old Brexit at the wrong time as now they don’t have Europe to prop them up. It’s a potential bigger disaster for them than anyone else. Not great news for us but not much we can do

Boris has made a real balls of it

ExMachina1000

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Uk is basket case at the moment, they took the old Brexit at the wrong time as now they don’t have Europe to prop them up. It’s a potential bigger disaster for them than anyone else. Not great news for us but not much we can do

Boris has made a real balls of it

Brexit was long in motion before Boris arrived.

Shefwedfan

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Brexit was long in motion before Boris arrived.

You do remember who was one of the main people on the leave campaign?

Covid has made a balls of it for Boris, I would say he would have done well but covid has emptied the coffers

ExMachina1000

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You do remember who was one of the main people on the leave campaign?

Covid has made a balls of it for Boris, I would say he would have done well but covid has emptied the coffers

Same situation world over. Covid has torpedoed everyone's plans.
Italy and Spain got grants of 130 billion to spend between them. MM got us an increased budget contribution bill.


UK will surely leave with no deal at this stage.

Snow Garden

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Same situation world over. Covid has torpedoed everyone's plans.
Italy and Spain got grants of 130 billion to spend between them. MM got us an increased budget contribution bill.


UK will surely leave with no deal at this stage.

To be fair FFG were fine with 64 billion Euros of private banking debt being added to our national debt back in 2008-2011.
They told us the EU would reward us for our best behaviour...

ExMachina1000

Snow Garden wrote: »

To be fair FFG were fine with 64 billion Euros of private banking debt being added to our national debt back in 2008-2011.
They told us the EU would reward us for our best behaviour...

That's very true . And with the United States actively trying to entice its tech giants home on one side and with Brussels hoping to enforce an EU wide tax levy on those tech companies it's all starting to look rosy for Ireland.

This year multinational tax paid in Ireland will be greater than vat collected here. We are head over heels reliant on Us multinationals.

James Brown

All governments seem to be short sighted. However in 2011 we had historic opportunity to 'change the way we do business'. The public voted for that. It was an opportunity wasted for greed and cronyism.
Now this crisis should be taken as an opportunity to try move away from reliance on multinationals. We need to try 'change the way we do business'.
More borrowing to put a plaster on a flawed two tiered system is just going around in circles. We're taking from the bottom to feed the top and borrowing to pick up the inevitable short falls. Things were getting steadily worse before Covid. Borrowing to mearly make a return to that is short sighted and stupid. I suppose it works if your only interest is filling your pockets before your term ends.

FrancieBrady

AT least Leo was right in his analogy - that putting FF back in power would be like putting John Delaney back in charge of the FAI?
The FF paycut that wasn't a paycut versus the FAI paycut that wasn't one for some.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/revealed-fais-secret-tax-free-rent-payout-to-john-delaney-7mbm3wtr8?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1595835918

RandomViewer

Thought there'd be more fuss over McSharrys comments

The_Conductor

RandomViewer wrote: »

Thought there'd be more fuss over McSharrys comments

Plenty of people are quietly seething and waiting in the long grass.
He was given an opportunity to gracefully retract his comments, he instead chose to reinforce them.
He seems to have forgotten that he will have to rely on a great many of the people he is denigrating- and they're not going to forget him............

Water John

Won't be much use asking McSharry to look into some problem you have. If the request has his name on it, it'll fall into the waste paper basket.

Geuze

blanch152 wrote: »

For example, we are now going to have to properly legislate for a carbon tax, make it close to impossible for future governments to reverse it. Now, a carbon tax is something you are on record of opposing, but your colours are clear today. Something that brings a carbon tax closer, which you claim to dislike, is now suddenly welcomed by you, just because you believe it puts egg on FG's face.

The carbon tax already exists.

It was introduced in 2010.

Geuze

Bowie wrote: »

Where am I supporting Carbon tax here? I've no issue if the money goes on green initiatives.

The increase in the carbon tax from 20 to 26 this year is ringfenced for env purposes.

Scoondal

The_Conductor wrote: »

Plenty of people are quietly seething and waiting in the long grass.
He was given an opportunity to gracefully retract his comments, he instead chose to reinforce them.
He seems to have forgotten that he will have to rely on a great many of the people he is denigrating- and they're not going to forget him............

He will be the poll topper next time.
(Becuz doze Dublin pipil are agin uz)

James Brown

Geuze wrote: »

The increase in the carbon tax from 20 to 26 this year is ringfenced for env purposes.

The chap thinks every critical comment is a seething nailing of theses to the door of FF/FG HQ.
Their not up to scratch piecemeal environmental plan was knocked back for not being fit for purpose.
No issue with a carbon tax if the money goes on green initiatives. My only concern is FF/FG using the environment as a way to cadge money off the tax payer*.

*See Irish Water

RandomViewer

Scoondal wrote: »

He will be the poll topper next time.
(Becuz doze Dublin pipil are agin uz)

He 'll never stand again,

RandomViewer

John Hume has died
Will MM make very disingenuous statement?

Bishop of hope

RandomViewer wrote: »

John Hume has died
Will MM make very disingenuous statement?

Rip John Hume.
Amazing that you somehow bring his death around to being a criticism of MM instead of an appraisal of a great man.

The_Conductor

RandomViewer wrote: »

John Hume has died
Will MM make very disingenuous statement?

RIP - a great statesman.

I only met him once- when I was a student back in 1993- and was embarrassed about how I could be Irish and yet so ignorant of Northern politics. He was gracious with his time and exceptionally effective at imparting information- with a group of 14 of us who were members of the youth wings of various different Irish political parties at the time.

The ability of people like John Hume to make monumental leaps of faith- are the cornerstone on which peace on this island coalesced.

I understand that he had suffered from dementia for a period of time- and while his death was not unexpected, his family must be devastated.

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam dílis.

Shefwedfan

RandomViewer wrote: »

John Hume has died
Will MM make very disingenuous statement?

John Hume has died, a great man and was critical to peace process

Yet all you can think about is a childish pop at FF........

RIP John Hume a true great of NI

ExMachina1000

I keep reading about how the like of Coveney and varadkar have given themselves drivers, aides, garda protection and other perks that are firsts for people in their roles.

Brendan Bendar

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I keep reading about how the like of Coveney and varadkar have given themselves drivers, aides, garda protection and other perks that are firsts for people in their roles.

Don’t forget Conor up North, got a state car to go to funeral.

Eric Cartman

RandomViewer wrote: »

Thought there'd be more fuss over McSharrys comments

I think most people realise he's right. The civil service were never known to be especially hard working and now with a combination of government instability, their unions and covid, they can sit back and watch their box sets without any chance of reprisal against them.

NovemberWren

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

That's very true . And with the United States actively trying to entice its tech giants home on one side and with Brussels hoping to enforce an EU wide tax levy on those tech companies it's all starting to look rosy for Ireland.

This year multinational tax paid in Ireland will be greater than vat collected here. We are head over heels reliant on Us multinationals.

[out of my depth here], but the U.S. poor, really, really, want that actual production jobs. And their votes, in Texas, Louisiana, Carolina, ..... seem to be people that D.Trump has been, and is, determined to deliver.

NovemberWren

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I think most people realise he's right. The civil service were never known to be especially hard working and now with a combination of government instability, their unions and covid, they can sit back and watch their box sets without any chance of reprisal against them.

this I find amazing. and yet, they will glide back, and continue to appropriate to themselves, the arbitration of any publics' disputes; - and will ensure that there is no resolution to any disputes; as this mainly is what their job consists of.

RandomViewer

Shefwedfan wrote: »

John Hume has died, a great man and was critical to peace process

Yet all you can think about is a childish pop at FF........

RIP John Hume a true great of NI

Not childish, because of the unfortunate situation where we have a basket case for a Taoiseach who will make incompetent digs at others instead of being semi-statesman like in his statements on John Humes death, the man has the people skills of a two year old , sending him to the funeral would be a mistake, let the lepreauchan go and let the rest stay at home.