FF/FG/Green Next Government

Mortelaro

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

This is not change, same old same old

Oh it is change
If its passed by the Greens required number and the new government plays the next 5 years well,I'd expect opposition parties especially SF to fall back to base support levels

blanch152

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Well FF and FG both stated after the results people have clearly voted for change.

This is not change, same old same old

It is change, it is the first FG have gone into coalition with the Greens.

It is the first time that FF have gone into coalition with FG.

That means that two of the three link-ups are unprecedented and new and represent a change to everything that has gone before.

It may not have been the change that you and others wanted, but the fact is that it is unprecedented change.

bloodless_coup

landofthetree wrote: »

No party could even get 25% of the 62% of people who bothered to vote.

So that's means no party got more that 15.5% of the electorate to vote for them.

No leader can claim to be the popular choice for Taoiseach.

A poll done a few days ago show 48% support for Leo as next Taoiseach and only 18% for MeHole.

landofthetree

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Well FF and FG both stated after the results people have clearly voted for change.

This is not change, same old same old

FF FG Greens got 50.2% of the vote.

Add in Lab and 55% of people voted for parties who have been in government in the last 13 years.

landofthetree

bloodless_coup wrote: »

A poll done a few days ago show 48% support for Leo as next Taoiseach and only 18% for MeHole.

Polls don't matter. Elections do.

landofthetree

The Mighty Quinn wrote: »

Does today's announcement actually surprise anybody? This was on the cards for months at this stage, rotating taoiseach and all.

It's also tiresome listening to people whinge about same old same old. It is what it is. The people who bothered their arses to go out and vote did so in sufficient proportions to allow this coalition. It is clearly "the will of the people". And don't bother throwing numbers saying that X% of people didn't vote for them etc. If you didn't vote, you don't count... shut up!

I would have liked to see, but never optimistic about, a SF/FG coalition.
Anyway, if this government doesn't do something pretty good, they'll have opened the gate for a bigger SF vote next time.

That's the bottom line.

At the end of the day any combination that can reach 80TDs has a mandate to govern.

Muahahaha

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I mean okay they've gotten a draft programme for government but it still has to be voted on by the members of each party and the Green Party need 66% yes for the motion to pass. Is that a given ?

Green party members would be mad in the head to reject this deal. Given they have only 12 seats they have extracted a high price from FFG. That said Green party members are a bit mad in the head anyway so you never know.

StackSteevens

blanch152 wrote: »

It is change, it is the first FG have gone into coalition with the Greens.

It is the first time that FF have gone into coalition with FG.

That means that two of the three link-ups are unprecedented and new and represent a change to everything that has gone before.

It may not have been the change that you and others wanted, but the fact is that it is unprecedented change.

Strangely reminiscent of the brief but dramatic change that occurred when my old Uncle Neville switched from drinking Malt whisky to drinking paraquat - although that was an unintentional change.

Cal4567

Does anyone think it will mean the start of a process when FF and FG will end up becoming a single party? Not as soon as you'd think but 5 years down the road?

The Mighty Quinn

Cal4567 wrote: »

Does anyone think it will mean the start of a process when FF and FG will end up becoming a single party? Not as soon as you'd think but 5 years down the road?

If that were to happen, this would be a logical starting point. However I don't think it will happen. Some issue will arise during the life of this government which will cause FF and FG to part ways. It'll be some nonsense or other, and on any other occasion who is on what side could be reversed, but it will keep the dividing line between parties there.

Jimmy Garlic

The IFA has a fight on its hands with that watermelon dingbat Ryan anywhere near power. The demented wally that wants to bring back wolves.

landofthetree

Muahahaha wrote: »

Green party members would be mad in the head to reject this deal. Given they have only 12 seats they have extracted a high price from FFG. That said Green party members are a bit mad in the head anyway so you never know.

Will be fun to see Saoirse McHugh spontaneous combust if they pass it.

RandomViewer

JRant wrote: »

Probably not legal under EU rules but just like VRT it will be ignored.

Unless they subsidise the price by 50% electric cars aren't a runner and the grid isn't up to it any way, get the notion the greens will try to ban private cars of any kind, protests will be interesting , Dublin blocked in every way, ports ,roads and rail lines

StackSteevens

Hopefully it also marks the end of the Soc Dems - surely no voter in their senses will give them another chance after they have completely blown this opportunity to participate in government.

I think I'm right in adding that they also rejected SF's overtures - so it's clear that they are a party whose sole raison d'etre is fence sitting while pretending to be morally and ethically superior to everyone else.

I suspect that Stephen Donnelly will be blowing kisses at the two biddies next week after picking up his Ministerial Seal of Office in the Aras!

Jimmy Garlic

landofthetree wrote: »

Will be fun to see Saoirse McHugh spontaneous combust if they pass it.

There might have to be an extra strong bong passed around the teepee at tonight’s drum circle.

dundalkfc10

Thrashssacre wrote: »

Be careful what you wish for SF will only lose ground in a new elections everyone's fed up with them.

SF are not going anywhere. They are going to get even stronger now as the majority of young people prefer them to FF and FG.

The youth have been screwed over again.

When can I expect my next rent increase? 1400 for a 3 bedroom house in Dundalk (I know people in the estate paying 900 a month mortgage for same houses)

KrustyUCC

Seems like the greens got pretty much everything they wanted

Going to be a hard sell for FG and FF in rural constituencies

RandomViewer

landofthetree wrote: »

Will be fun to see Saoirse McHugh spontaneous combust if they pass it.

Grassroots FG and FF will vote against this, I suspect Varadker and Martin will ignore the party vote.

RandomViewer

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Seems like the greens got pretty much everything they wanted

Going to be a hard sell for FG and FF in rural constituencies

This is going to be a coup in every way, they will ignore the rural votes,

antimatterx

Who do you reckon will end up in the minister roles?

I reckon

Pascal will retain finance
Leo will get FA
Harris will get a nicer portfolio than health.

Donnelly might get health.
Daragh Obrien will get housing

Eoghan Murphy will be demoted I reckon.

The Mighty Quinn

antimatterx wrote: »

Who do you reckon will end up in the minister roles?

I reckon

Pascal will retain finance
Leo will get FA
Harris will get a nicer portfolio than health.

Donnelly might get health.
Daragh Obrien will get housing

Eoghan Murphy will be demoted I reckon.

I'd be in favour of re-introducing a minister for finance and a separate minister for public expenditure, a la Noonan & Howlin. I think it's too wide ranging a job for one person. In which case you'd see O'Donohue and McGrath in the roles.

Eric Cartman

The Mighty Quinn wrote: »

I'd be in favour of re-introducing a minister for finance and a separate minister for public expenditure, a la Noonan & Howlin. I think it's too wide ranging a job for one person. In which case you'd see O'Donohue and McGrath in the roles.

I would support this, hand public expenditure to someone who won't run again the next time so they can make the unpopular but desperately required cuts.

Shefwedfan

bloodless_coup wrote: »

A poll done a few days ago show 48% support for Leo as next Taoiseach and only 18% for MeHole.

The only poll that counts was done in Feb

Mad_maxx

StackSteevens wrote: »

Hopefully it also marks the end of the Soc Dems - surely no voter in their senses will give them another chance after they have completely blown this opportunity to participate in government.

I think I'm right in adding that they also rejected SF's overtures - so it's clear that they are a party whose sole raison d'etre is fence sitting while pretending to be morally and ethically superior to everyone else.

I suspect that Stephen Donnelly will be blowing kisses at the two biddies next week after picking up his Ministerial Seal of Office in the Aras!

the SOC DEMS are always guarenteed love from RTE , the irish times etc , they share all of the same ideals and politics of the liberal media

good will alone should see them stay afloat , they can out WOKE the greens to keep themselves busy and relevant

Fred Cryton

Muahahaha wrote: »

Id say this deal with be remarkably difficult to get past the FF party membership, I cant see them voting for this. Thing is though if theres a fresh election they would get hammered so its a bit of a Hobsons choice for FF right now.

FF get Martin as Taoiseach and as you say would be clobbered in another election. They should take this deal gratefully.


The real question is why should FG members accept this? Riding at 35% in the polls now, they lose their position of Taoiseach. Nothing in this document has a FG stamp on it as far as i can see - everything is a concession to the Greens or to FF.


Vote NO!!

JimmyVik

Is it just me who will forever associate the Green party with Austerity after this?
FF too, but the Greens most of all.

Rodin

Just working my way through the 139page document

Loafing Oaf

antimatterx wrote: »

Eoghan Murphy will be demoted I reckon.

Talk of him replacing Big Phil in Europe

StackSteevens

Fred Cryton wrote: »

FF get Martin as Taoiseach and as you say would be clobbered in another election. They should take this deal gratefully.


The real question is why should FG members accept this? Riding at 35% in the polls now, they lose their position of Taoiseach. Nothing in this document has a FG stamp on it as far as i can see - everything is a concession to the Greens or to FF.


Vote NO!!

I would only that

(i) I'm not a member of FG

and much more importantly

(ii) it looks as though I'll be getting my Contrib State Pension a year earlier than expected - and that's a €12,500 bribe from FF and the Greens that I am unable to ignore!

Edit - not forgetting my free bus pass, electricity and TV licence.

RandomViewer

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Talk of him replacing Big Phil in Europe

No, they wouldn't win the by election, Regina is the candidate

antimatterx

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Talk of him replacing Big Phil in Europe

Would be a great move for him I reckon. He seems talented, and a good people person. Housing was always going to be a bollox of a ministry.

maccored

thats brilliant. well, it'll probably be a **** show, but FF and FG will hopefully become one and we'll be done with the charade

antimatterx

RandomViewer wrote: »

No, they wouldn't win the by election, Regina is the candidate

FG wouldn't win in Dublin South? Come off it.

Talk of Regina becoming the new FG chairperson

RandomViewer

landofthetree wrote: »

Will be fun to see Saoirse McHugh spontaneous combust if they pass it.

She'll be a senator in the next few weeks, loads of expenses and a hybrid Yaris to keep her quiet

maccored

The Mighty Quinn wrote: »

If that were to happen, this would be a logical starting point. However I don't think it will happen. Some issue will arise during the life of this government which will cause FF and FG to part ways. It'll be some nonsense or other, and on any other occasion who is on what side could be reversed, but it will keep the dividing line between parties there.

i think the electorate will see how useless they both are when they cant blame the other

antimatterx

RandomViewer wrote: »

She'll be a senator in the next few weeks, loads of expenses and a hybrid Yaris to keep her quiet

He has lost 3 elections in a year. She shouldn't be a senator.

Cal4567

I wonder if FF will lead on Housing with a Green junior Minister also as part of the brief.

Our media seem very 'comfortable and cosy' with all this. They too are 'anyone but SF'.

Shefwedfan

Fred Cryton wrote: »

FF get Martin as Taoiseach and as you say would be clobbered in another election. They should take this deal gratefully.


The real question is why should FG members accept this? Riding at 35% in the polls now, they lose their position of Taoiseach. Nothing in this document has a FG stamp on it as far as i can see - everything is a concession to the Greens or to FF.


Vote NO!!

FG had a terrible election. Polls are a pile of poo. If they go back to the general public now I don't see how they would be confident


A number of people said FG would get a bump because of the virus. Everyone turns to leaders in time of crisis. THe virus is now "over" if you listen to some people and most are complaining because now the reality of the shut down is hitting.



I was down with family, first time since Christmas, everyone was just calling for the lockdown to stop now and get back to work. If a general election was called, by the time it would gte around I would suspect that bump FG had will be long gone and they could lose more votes.

Cal4567

maccored wrote: »

i think the electorate will see how useless they both are when they cant blame the other

We joke about that but I can see that. Groundbreaking alright.

RandomViewer

antimatterx wrote: »

Who do you reckon will end up in the minister roles?

I reckon

Pascal will retain finance
Leo will get FA
Harris will get a nicer portfolio than health.

Donnelly might get health.
Daragh Obrien will get housing

Eoghan Murphy will be demoted I reckon.

Pascal will be demoted, McGrath has finance Pascal ,Harris and Coveney will be pushed from the limelight, don't besurpised if there are 5 or 6 Green ministers

Patrick2010

The agreement involves abolishing direct provision but doesn't say what will replace it, providing houses and apartment to anyone claiming asylum?

BattleCorp

Not sure if this has been asked already but if we have a rotating Taoiseach, do we have to pay more than one Taoiseach's pension?

Leonard Hofstadter

antimatterx wrote: »

FG wouldn't win in Dublin South? Come off it.

Talk of Regina becoming the new FG chairperson

Apparently she's being lined up for the General Secretary gig.

RandomViewer

BattleCorp wrote: »

Not sure if this has been asked already but if we have a rotating Taoiseach, do we have to pay more than one Taoiseach's pension?

Do you really need to ask, yes we'll be paying 3, assuming Ryan gets a few months at the end

celt262

piplip87 wrote: »

Looking at the leaked text last night it seems that they are going to try and tackle the big issues. The onus is on them now.

Looking at comments on various articles this morning I'd suggest making Civics a compulsory subject in school. It seems many people don't know how vote management, Proportional Representation or how 25% is not a majority.

I voted for CHANGE !

Shefwedfan

RandomViewer wrote: »

Do you really need to ask, yes we'll be paying 3, assuming Ryan gets a few months at the end

Do they not need a minimum term?

The Tetrarch

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

The IFA has a fight on its hands with that watermelon dingbat Ryan anywhere near power. The demented wally that wants to bring back wolves.

The wolves are to keep the farmers from driving to the pub at night.

The Mighty Quinn

RandomViewer wrote: »

Do you really need to ask, yes we'll be paying 3, assuming Ryan gets a few months at the end

:eek:

Not a chance.

CrankyHaus

Patrick2010 wrote: »

The agreement involves abolishing direct provision but doesn't say what will replace it, providing houses and apartment to anyone claiming asylum?

According to the Irish Times a new "not-for-profit" model that will place the dignity of the individual at its centre.


Which could mean anything really, including business as usual with the owners of clapped out hotels simply registering as non-profits to stay on the gravy train.

TheValeyard

Prefer Leo over Martin. Wonder if he will stab Leo in the back.