FF/FG/Green Next Government

Scoondal

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No.
The electorate vote...if there is a single majority you can say the party was voted in.
If it's a coalition the electorate get no say in what that coalition is until next time out.

Very simple really. This government was not chosen by the people...the people accept the concept of forming coalitions...you can say that okay.

After six weeks, how many ministers have been sacked ?

Shefwedfan

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

It’s not up to me to decide the next government? That’s not how it works.

This gov has been a shambles- it’s not like FF are handling a tough situation well or even to a moderate level - they are making a balls of it.

Martin is in over his head
Donnelly is in over his head
Foley is in over her head
Calleary, well he’s just a goon
Cowan...

Come on man- it’s time to face reality here

So you have no alternative?

What was your opinion of FG 12 months ago just out of interest? Over his/her head maybe?

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Richard Hillman

I never in my entire life thought I would feel this way but if there was a Coup tomorrow, I would turn a blind eye to it.

Poor_old_gill

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So you have no alternative?

What was your opinion of FG 12 months ago just out of interest? Over his/her head maybe?

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I thought they had some good performers & some bad ones.

I genuinely can’t think of anything FF have done right so far- in the words or Malcolm Tucker: they have been an omnishambles.

Sure the alternative is prob another election or FF will fall see defections and these might help form a gov of FG, greens, soc dems, labour & independents.

But if you think FF are performing at a level above disastrous then you are deluding yourself

Scoondal

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Maybe a story about witnesses not going to Garda till they got approval from a political party they wouldn’t be killed if they did

Oh sorry that’s the opposition , my mistake :-)

That's the truth.
I don't support a party that has terrorists hiding away somewhere.
But Calleary has to resign. He tells us we should do something and he is so arrogant to think that he is above his own advice.
He should do what Michael Cawley did ... resign straight away.

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The party with most seats win....it’s not that difficult is it Francie, it’s hasn’t changed since republic was created, if you don’t understand that your issue nobody else’s

You only 'win' an election if you can form a government on your own Shef, that is the prize and nobody won it this time. FG/FF/Greens won the negotiating round and formed a government. The electorate got no say in that.

Scoondal

Will Dara Calleary resign tonight, or will he string it on until tomorrow evening and be forced out ? It's his choice.

smurgen

Politics of change....strong,stable....

Shefwedfan

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I thought they had some good performers & some bad ones.

I genuinely can’t think of anything FF have done right so far- in the words or Malcolm Tucker: they have been an omnishambles.

Sure the alternative is prob another election or FF will fall see defections and these might help form a gov of FG, greens, soc dems, labour & independents.

But if you think FF are performing at a level above disastrous then you are deluding yourself

FF took over in the middle of the biggest disaster to hit the World and they are in 6 weeks?

So a country which is billions in debt and churning more millions by the hour you want another election to vote in the people that 6 months ago didn’t get voted in? All while costing the country millions....

What happens when next government comes in and still make mistake? Another election after 6 weeks?

Seriously Trump has made how many f**k up a lot worse than a golf party and even the crazy Americans didn’t want an election after 6 weeks....it baffles me that people say they want to discuss politics and the next request is an election every 5 minutes

Is every other country in Europe running to an election now? Might give you a hint on what the answer might be

Shefwedfan

Scoondal wrote: »

Will Dara Calleary resign tonight, or will he string it on until tomorrow evening and be forced out ? It's his choice.

Will everyone in SF resign after attending the funeral in the North? Which was a far worse breech of the regulations

Poor_old_gill

Shefwedfan wrote: »

FF took over in the middle of the biggest disaster to hit the World and they are in 6 weeks?

So a country which is billions in debt and churning more millions by the hour you want another election to vote in the people that 6 months ago didn’t get voted in? All while costing the country millions....

What happens when next government comes in and still make mistake? Another election after 6 weeks?

Seriously Trump has made how many f**k up a lot worse than a golf party and even the crazy Americans didn’t want an election after 6 weeks....it baffles me that people say they want to discuss politics and the next request is an election every 5 minutes

Is every other country in Europe running to an election now? Might give you a hint on what the answer might be

You’re just rambling now to be fair.

On taking over in the biggest disaster to hit the world? It has only shown up how utterly incompetent they are.

They can’t even get a message out to public properly

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You only 'win' an election if you can form a government on your own Shef, that is the prize and nobody won it this time. FG/FF/Greens won the negotiating round and formed a government. The electorate got no say in that.

You spent weeks on here telling everyone SF “won”

So another new version from Frsncie, changing like the wind again

Shefwedfan

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

You’re just rambling now to be fair.

On taking over in the biggest disaster to hit the world? It has only shown up how utterly incompetent they are.

They can’t even get a message out to public properly

Ahh so much for the political discussion ...I had hopes but no....

ebbsy

Scoondal wrote: »

Will Dara Calleary resign tonight, or will he string it on until tomorrow evening and be forced out ? It's his choice.

I'd say it will be like Cowen, but maybe a bit quicker.

There is no way out of this.

Hawthorn Tree

Phil Hogan too.

That will not look good.

Poor_old_gill

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ahh so much for the political discussion ...I had hopes but no....

You rabbiting on about trump & people always calling for elections.

The last election was fairly inconclusive & the resultant Gov has been a shambles.

The ‘leadership’ of FF is only making a crisis situation even worse & I would say that very few have any faith in them now.

Do you think they are doing a good or a bad job?

Simples answer please

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You spent weeks on here telling everyone SF “won”

So another new version from Frsncie, changing like the wind again

I never said SF won Shef, they won the most votes though.

Scoondal

ebbsy wrote: »

I'd say it will be like Cowen, but maybe a bit quicker.

There is no way out of this.

It has to be quick because ordinary people can only take so much **** and their **** quota has been already used up.

Richard Hillman

Shefwedfan wrote: »

FF took over in the middle of the biggest disaster to hit the World and they are in 6 weeks?

So a country which is billions in debt and churning more millions by the hour you want another election to vote in the people that 6 months ago didn’t get voted in? All while costing the country millions....

What happens when next government comes in and still make mistake? Another election after 6 weeks?

Seriously Trump has made how many f**k up a lot worse than a golf party and even the crazy Americans didn’t want an election after 6 weeks....it baffles me that people say they want to discuss politics and the next request is an election every 5 minutes

Is every other country in Europe running to an election now? Might give you a hint on what the answer might be

All they had to do was to stick to the reopening plan that was given to them. But then they pissed themselves after about 30 cases and ceeded supreme control to NPHET. The reopening then became a mess by trying to placate certain lobby groups and making an absolute hames of the plan.

Martin then went to Europe for a bail out and ended up us owing them 16bn.

Whatever is happening has to stop now. We need somebody to lead that isn't a eunuch.

I would take Varadkar, I would take somebody else from FF, I would take MLD, I would even take Richard Boyd Barrett FFS. Somebody needs to lead. Somebody with remotely some coherence and leadership ability.

ebbsy

Richard Hillman wrote: »

All they had to do was to stick to the reopening plan that was given to them. But then they pissed themselves after about 30 cases and ceeded supreme control to NPHET. The reopening then became a mess by trying to placate certain lobby groups and making an absolute hames of the plan.

Martin then went to Europe for a bail out and ended up us owing them 16bn.

Whatever is happening has to stop now. We need somebody to lead that isn't a eunuch.

I would take Varadkar, I would take somebody else from FF, I would take MLD, I would even take Richard Boyd Barrett FFS. Somebody needs to lead. Somebody with remotely some coherence and leadership ability.

MeHole is drowning.

Hawthorn Tree

It is inevitable that this FF+FG government will be the worst performing government in modern times. This Clifden party could bring them down.

ebbsy

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

It is inevitable that this FF+FG government will be the worst performing government in modern times. This Clifden party could bring them down.

I know there is a virus, but these guys are just plain stupid.

Scoondal

If Calleary resigns straight away, like Michael Cawley, he might hang on to his local vote. If he strings it out, he will not get a ministerial position for a long time. He will be "damaged goods".

Bishop of hope

FF are floundering in the sense of their own importance.
Calleary is in an untenable position now, after replacing buffoon Cowen he is now bufooned himself.

Hawthorn Tree

It's obvious M Martin knew full well that Dara would be going to an event to honour the late Mark Killilea.

I cant wait for someone to ask him though.

Same for Leo and Hogan.

Bishop of hope

Oh for a few of Leo's quotes now, clarity needed big time lads, it's not been evident since powersharing south of the border commenced.
And we make little of the northern situation, we seem to be up **** creek Down here now too.

Hawthorn Tree

Tomorrow will be fun!

BonnieSituation

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

Tomorrow will be fun!

A solid Morning Ireland to start the day.

McMurphy

If took five months to form this Coalition of seasoned and experienced politician's to show us how to play senior hurling lads - just saying.

Is it true Charlie Flanagan was there too, but was actually tricked into believing it was a black and tan commemoration he was going to?

smurgen

This is top quality.

https://twitter.com/DanielBuble/status/1296540084557303809?s=19