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Truthvader

Bowie wrote: »

The blueshirts back? Mind, they never really went away right?

https://twitter.com/BryanMallonOFF/status/1275108965853126657?s=09[/url[

Because anyone who wont brush over the Sinn Fein IRA glorious history of cowardice crime and savagery has to be a member of a sad fascist clique that hasnt existed for 90 years.No other explanation

James Brown

Truthvader wrote: »

Because anyone who wont brush over the Sinn Fein IRA glorious history of cowardice crime and savagery has to be a member of a sad fascist clique that hasnt existed for 90 years.No other explanation

No its any FG member who admires the blueshirts and likens them to present day FG. Did you not read the tweets?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

And I understand that she has lost the whip along with an SD councillor, and another councillor Egan from one of the bigger parties.

That leaves us with Wolfe and the Shinners who went to the funeral hanging on to their positions of privilege.

I think you need to accept that Clifden is about much more than not complying with Covid regs and advice.

Woulfe's situation goes to the very heart of the separation of powers issue and what has been exposed as FF and FG's ambivalent attitude to them, if not worse.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think you need to accept that Clifden is about much more than not complying with Covid regs and advice.

Woulfe's situation goes to the very heart of the separation of powers issue and what has been exposed as FF and FG's ambivalent attitude to them, if not worse.

How does that po-faced post sit with Cullinane exulting at having ‘broken the State’ and supporting a terrorist organisation.

I would suggest there is quite a difference.

James Brown

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think you need to accept that Clifden is about much more than not complying with Covid regs and advice.

Woulfe's situation goes to the very heart of the separation of powers issue and what has been exposed as FF and FG's ambivalent attitude to them, if not worse.

Its sad it can't be discussed without a tit for tat 'but SF'. Its a pretty big deal and I believe the public are as pissed off about the cosiness of them all maybe even above the covid regulations.

FrancieBrady

Bowie wrote: »

Its sad it can't be discussed without a tit for tat 'but SF'. Its a pretty big deal and I believe the public are as pissed off about the cosiness of them all maybe even above the covid regulations.

They are trying their best to divert but it's not working

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

And I understand that she has lost the whip along with an SD councillor, and another councillor Egan from one of the bigger parties.

That leaves us with Wolfe and the Shinners who went to the funeral hanging on to their positions of privilege.

Kenneth Egan from Fine Gael. (Most of us will know him as Kenny Egan the boxer)

"One of the bigger parties" you must have found it too difficult to type out both the full name of "Councillor Egan" and which party he was from.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I believe they should be sanctioned in some way, yes.

I called for my local councillor (whom I know personally and have worked with in her role outside politics) to be sanctioned on this site. She is SF.

Muahahaha put up an excellent article that outlines the blatant cronyism that was going on between the likes of Woulfe and Hogan etc over on the Woulfe thread.

New politics my hole.

Floppybits

Woulfe is a more serious issue than Hogan. Yes Hogan is an ignorant ass and the pressure was on him because of his past behaviour when in government but a supreme Court justice found to be out mixing with politicians, eu commissioners and lobbyists like Brian Hayes is a bigger issue. How can he now be trusted to judge cases that may involve those groups?

Rows Grower

Floppybits wrote: »

Woulfe is a more serious issue than Hogan. Yes Hogan is an ignorant ass and the pressure was on him because of his past behaviour when in government but a supreme Court justice found to be out mixing with politicians, eu commissioners and lobbyists like Brian Hayes is a bigger issue. How can he now be trusted to judge cases that may involve those groups?

In all fairness, he's entitled to socialise with whoever he wants to.

James Brown

Rows Grower wrote: »

In all fairness, he's entitled to socialise with whoever he wants to.

Yeah if Gino from PBP apointed an advisor as a Judge and then had that judge help draw up some things and then the now judhe of the Supreme Court, would be out socialising with PBP and Right to water or whomever. Cool.
Or if MLMD appointed him and he was pals with SF. Same diff.
All impartial and no bother.

Rows Grower

Bowie wrote: »

Yeah if Gino from PBP apointed an advisor as a Judge and then had that judge help draw up some things and then the now judhe of the Supreme Court, would be out socialising with PBP and Right to water or whomever. Cool.
Or if MLMD appointed him and he was pals with SF. Same diff.
All impartial and no bother.

Clear as mud, Bowie.

What is it you want?

blanch152

Floppybits wrote: »

Woulfe is a more serious issue than Hogan. Yes Hogan is an ignorant ass and the pressure was on him because of his past behaviour when in government but a supreme Court justice found to be out mixing with politicians, eu commissioners and lobbyists like Brian Hayes is a bigger issue. How can he now be trusted to judge cases that may involve those groups?

Do many politicians and EU Commissioners take court cases?

blanch152

Bowie wrote: »

Yeah if Gino from PBP apointed an advisor as a Judge and then had that judge help draw up some things and then the now judhe of the Supreme Court, would be out socialising with PBP and Right to water or whomever. Cool.
Or if MLMD appointed him and he was pals with SF. Same diff.
All impartial and no bother.

There is a huge difference between Attorney General and political advisor.

Floppybits

blanch152 wrote: »

Do many politicians and EU Commissioners take court cases?

Oh here we go again, I dont know why you behave this way are you a troll or wum?

As you well know there is a separation of powers between the executive and judiciary that is laid out in the constitution, now don't you think that would keep judges from mixing with politicians at events such as the Oireacthas golf society dinner. Were any other supreme Court judges there? No because they had the common sense not to be seen mixing with politicians or lobbyist such as Hayes, Woulfe has not shown that and also his impartiality can be questioned now.

RandomViewer

Rows Grower wrote: »

In all fairness, he's entitled to socialise with whoever he wants to.

If he was throwing back halfs with Danny Kinahan I think there'd be questions asked so throwing back halfs with a former footsoldier of The General and a few vulture fund reps should ring the same bells?

RandomViewer

Bowie wrote: »

No its any FG member who admires the blueshirts and likens them to present day FG. Did you not read the tweets?

They dont call him the truthevader for nothing,

Chiparus

Rows Grower wrote: »

In all fairness, he's entitled to socialise with whoever he wants to.

Actually he is not, hence the inquiry by the retired judge.

RandomViewer

Floppybits wrote: »

Woulfe is a more serious issue than Hogan. Yes Hogan is an ignorant ass and the pressure was on him because of his past behaviour when in government but a supreme Court justice found to be out mixing with politicians, eu commissioners and lobbyists like Brian Hayes is a bigger issue. How can he now be trusted to judge cases that may involve those groups?

Woulfe gave a full bill of health to a compulsary purchase order that a number of councillors raised issues with back in 2013, he was brought in by Hogan as an impartial overseer, that would all be questionable now
https://www.housing.gov.ie/housing/social-housing/other/hogan-publishes-independent-review-compulsory-acquisition-land

Topgear on Dave

Rows Grower wrote: »

In all fairness, he's entitled to socialise with whoever he wants to.

I wouldn't be entirely sure about that at all. Even as a lowly minion in my own engineer role the company makes us do ethics training covering how we interact with clients and colleagues.

Rows Grower

RandomViewer wrote: »

If he was throwing back halfs with Danny Kinahan I think there'd be questions asked so throwing back halfs with a former footsoldier of The General and a few vulture fund reps should ring the same bells?

I have no idea whatsoever what it is you are alluding to.

I never heard of the man until very recently but he's an ordinary person like the rest of us and his job doesn't dictate that he cannot be in the same room or at the same function as politicians or hedge fund managers or vulture fund managers or any other law abiding citizens.

The fact that he was there and as a group they all knowingly broke government restrictions at the time of a worldwide pandemic is a different story.

Rows Grower

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

I wouldn't be entirely sure about that at all. Even as a lowly minion in my own engineer role the company makes us do ethics training covering how we interact with clients and colleagues.

And what's that got to do with the topic we are discussing?

Brendan Bendar

What’s with Pearse’s fine office I wonder.

€180k no borrowing and company wound up.

Not a peep from the media....

Interesting...

McMurphy

I see #MauriceMcCabe is trending on Twitter this morning, and not for the reasons you may think,.seems to be a lot of anger out there yet.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/MauriceMcCabe?s=09



https://twitter.com/christianmorris/status/1299894345487790080?s=09

Bishop of hope

McMurphy wrote: »

I see #MauriceMcCabe is trending on Twitter this morning, and not for the reasons you may think,.seems to be a lot of anger out there yet.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/MauriceMcCabe?s=09

Shooting your mouth off isn't always anger.
It's a nice Sunday, heading for a walk with my doggies.
Does political "anger" never take a, day off?

McMurphy

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Shooting your mouth off isn't always anger.
It's a nice Sunday, heading for a walk with my doggies.
Does political "anger" never take a, day off?

I don't think you understand how Twitter works Bish:D, but anyways, enjoy the walk with the dogs.

Hawthorn Tree

McCabe was let down by the state on so many fronts. He is lucky to be alive. The interview Yates did with McCabe and his wife a few months ago was powerful stuff. Compelling. I have so much admiration for that man and his long suffering family. I am not sure the rot and corruption in the Gardai has been cleaned up but it has improved.

Truthvader

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

McCabe was let down by the state on so many fronts. He is lucky to be alive. The interview Yates did with McCabe and his wife a few months ago was powerful stuff. Compelling. I have so much admiration for that man and his long suffering family. I am not sure the rot and corruption in the Gardai has been cleaned up but it has improved.

Well if we're playing the Sinn Fein comparison gane "lucky to be alive" is the key phrase. They mightn't even get the body back if there was a Sinn Fein IRA whisteblower

FrancieBrady

Would it be right to say the angry reaction to Frances being nominated has sent FG looking in a direction it didn't want to look in - a sitting TD (Coveney) which will require a by-election and Mairead McGuinness?

Rows Grower

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Would it be right to say the angry reaction to Frances being nominated has sent FG looking in a direction it didn't want to look in - a sitting TD (Coveney) which will require a by-election and Mairead McGuinness?

If Coveney gets the gig, and he would be a great choice in my opinion, then FG will be in a bit of a dilemma who to run to take his seat because Buttimer is in still in the thick of this controversy.

Bishop of hope

Rows Grower wrote: »

If Coveney gets the gig, and he would be a great choice in my opinion, then FG will be in a bit of a dilemma who to run to take his seat because Buttimer is in still in the thick of this controversy.

SF topped the poll there in the election.
Would that have been the case if candidates were reduced?
Either FF or SF most likely to win that by-election if Coveney goes I reckon.