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Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In other words...'don't dare criticise us while we dither and faff'...is that what you are trying to say?

It's not the cozy little power swap anymore, you'll have to do better than that

Whose dithering and faffing?
What are you on about, you're just faffing out chat for the sake of it.
The Taoiseach is going to speak to Johnson this afternoon and is very critical of the latest developments with the British.
What exactly do you or SF expect at this point?

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Whose dithering and faffing?
What are you on about, you're just faffing out chat for the sake of it.
The Taoiseach is going to speak to Johnson this afternoon and is very critical of the latest developments with the British.
What exactly do you or SF expect at this point?

A clear outline of what the government will do and is prepared to do if the UK proceed on this path.

Do you think a plan exists?

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Interesting, I was listening to MMG replacement there on the radio.
He cited the mobs, but equally the govt giving in to pressure too.

Seemed to me MM and LV wanted Hogan gone. 'the mobs' are an excuse. They've brazened out worse for less capable people. I think they used him to take the pressure off themselves. A sacrificial lamb, albeit an arrogant unpopular one.

Jinglejangle69

Have they hidden Stephen Donnelly away?

Utterly useless.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A clear outline of what the government will do and is prepared to do if the UK proceed on this path.

Do you think a plan exists?

You mean set out our negotiating plans in public in full for the British to see? That would be completely foolish, you know that, but opposition for opposition's sake demands that Sinn Fein put forward naive and foolish proposals.

Actually, scratch that, I am probably giving too much credit to Sinn Fein as being nastily disingenuous, they probably are simply naive and foolish.

Truthvader

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A clear outline of what the government will do and is prepared to do if the UK proceed on this path.

Do you think a plan exists?

No doubt Sinn Fein have "a clear outline" of what they will do. "You don't have to be a fan of the IRA" as Francie put it previously when discussing the Warrington murder but "they got results".

Dessie Ellis is probably own at Lenihans now stocking up on a few bits and pieces

Brendan Bendar

Truthvader wrote: »

No doubt Sinn Fein have "a clear outline" of what they will do. "You don't have to be a fan of the IRA" as Francie put it previously when discussing the Warrington murder but "they got results".

Dessie Ellis is probably own at Lenihans now stocking up on a few bits and pieces

Nuts an bolts Truth, nuts an’ bolts.


Bags of them.

dundalkfc10

Truthvader wrote: »

No doubt Sinn Fein have "a clear outline" of what they will do. "You don't have to be a fan of the IRA" as Francie put it previously when discussing the Warrington murder but "they got results".

Dessie Ellis is probably own at Lenihans now stocking up on a few bits and pieces

So when Francie stated he just wanted our Govt to have a clear plan, your response is something about the IRA.

Will you give it a rest ruining every thread, If the Govt are asked to do something or called out on something they are doing wrong your on sprouting about the Ra.

Truthvader

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

So when Francie stated he just wanted our Govt to have a clear plan, your response is something about the IRA.

Will you give it a rest ruining every thread, If the Govt are asked to do something or called out on something they are doing wrong your on sprouting about the Ra.

Thought you would be pleased with a mention, you're such fan.

Anyway, merely pointing out that the assembly of college drop outs, spongers, charlatans and criminals in Sinn Fein have no business complaining about what the grown ups propose to do or not to do as they have no ideas themselves

Brendan Bendar

Truthvader wrote: »

Thought you would be pleased with a mention, you're such fan.

Anyway, merely pointing out that the assembly of college drop outs, spongers, charlatans and criminals in Sinn Fein have no business complaining about what the grown ups propose to do or not to do as they have no ideas themselves

Unfortunately Truth, they do have ideas.........

Mostly involved in scuttling the state, screwing those who provide employment, promoting the non triers and lifers over those who get up early and pay their way.

Then when the money runs out and nobody will lend to us anymore these bellicose bushmen will melt int to distance and ‘Someone Else’ will have to dig the country out of a deep pit.

Be very aware of these folk, they will sell the family silver and sit back in the big six bedroomers in Donegal laughing at those who try to support themselves.

FrancieBrady

Truthvader wrote: »

Thought you would be pleased with a mention, you're such fan.

Anyway, merely pointing out that the assembly of college drop outs, spongers, charlatans and criminals in Sinn Fein have no business complaining about what the grown ups propose to do or not to do as they have no ideas themselves

FG took their lead from SF on NI Truth.

Enda repudiated the 'idea' of special status in 2016.

You just look ridiculous coming put with this uninformed stuff...maybe stick to blathering about the RA?

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

FG took their lead from SF on NI Truth.

Enda repudiated the 'idea' in 2016.

You just look ridiculous coming put with this uninformed stuff...maybe stick to blathering about the RA?

He should leave that Cullinane, Mr F.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

He should leave that Cullinane, Mr F.

That makes no sense Brendi.

dundalkfc10

Truthvader wrote: »

Thought you would be pleased with a mention, you're such fan.

Anyway, merely pointing out that the assembly of college drop outs, spongers, charlatans and criminals in Sinn Fein have no business complaining about what the grown ups propose to do or not to do as they have no ideas themselves

Mr Harris is not in SF

Truthvader

FrancieBrady wrote: »

FG took their lead from SF on NI Truth.

Enda repudiated the 'idea' of special status in 2016.

You just look ridiculous coming put with this uninformed stuff...maybe stick to blathering about the RA?

Ridiculous?? as the man claims that FG "took their lead from SF". Beyond humour.

FrancieBrady

Truthvader wrote: »

Ridiculous?? as the man claims that FG "took their lead from SF". Beyond humour.

Enda vehemently ruled out special status for NI and after Dáil debates where SF spoke strongly on the subject FG changed there position. Guy Verhofstad even said that SF changed his mind due to the strength of their lobbying.

Tough for you to accept but that, as they say, is your problem.

Floppybits

Bowie wrote: »

Seemed to me MM and LV wanted Hogan gone. 'the mobs' are an excuse. They've brazened out worse for less capable people. I think they used him to take the pressure off themselves. A sacrificial lamb, albeit an arrogant unpopular one.

He was an easy target considering how unpopular he is. Woulfe should have been the target. I wonder if MM and LV sacrificed Phil to save Woulfe?

James Brown

Floppybits wrote: »

He was an easy target considering how unpopular he is. Woulfe should have been the target. I wonder if MM and LV sacrificed Phil to save Woulfe?

Woulfe is Varadkar's man, he appointed him. He advised LV and was an active FG'er.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

FG took their lead from SF on NI Truth.

Enda repudiated the 'idea' of special status in 2016.

You just look ridiculous coming put with this uninformed stuff...maybe stick to blathering about the RA?

Love your comedy posts, when you go full on Iraqi propaganda minister type.

Hawthorn Tree

McMurphy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/nwl88444048/status/1303426604216078336?s=19

It is satisfying to watch Hogan chewing lemons over his recent disgrace. Despite all the arrogance and dishonesty he is still singing the 'Do they know who I am' line to the Kilkenny People. He was never truly sorry for his actions and web of lies.

As he said in the interview in relation to the Garda who caught him on the mobile.

‘If they knew I was a European Commissioner or a politician, they wouldn’t be stopping me.’

Phil is just astounded that the establishment didn't turn a blind eye to his antics. They always did in the past.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Love your comedy posts, when you go full on Iraqi propaganda minister type.

The EU's original position...persuaded otherwise by lobbying.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/european-parliament-rejects-special-status-for-northern-ireland-1.3144414

The DUP and FG voted AGAINST it.
Evidence of the original FG position (as late as 2017), they have since been persuaded otherwise.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/charlie-flanagan-cautions-on-seeking-brexit-special-status-in-eu-1.2977126





No comedy blanch just the FACTUAL history of Fine Gael's position laid bare and the claim I made backed up.

FrancieBrady

It is really really important that this be pointed out...this is part of the hat doffing and faffing referred to earlier. Echo's of Jack Lynch's simpering, subservient 'phone call' after Bloody Sunday too.
As McDonald said in the same interview...if this kind of lame technocratic speech response is all we can come up with, is it any wonder the British treat us as pawns in the first place.

Mary Lou McDonald wrote:

It is absolutely staggering that it is taking the Taoiseach 3 days to pick up the phone to the British Prime Minister following the announcement that Britain intends to breach international law on the Irish Protocol?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is really really important that this be pointed out...this is part of the hat doffing and faffing referred to earlier. Echo's of Jack Lynch's simpering, subservient 'phone call' after Bloody Sunday too.
As McDonald said in the same interview...if this kind of lame technocratic speech response is all we can come up with, is it any wonder the British treat us as pawns in the first place.

Typical of Sinn Fein, wanting to shoot their mouths off (and anything else) without carefully considering the consequences. We don't need to do anything, the EU will slap them down and we can smile in the background, a much better way to show power, rather than shouting "Hold me back" like a drunken thug.


https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/0910/1164329-ecj-brexit/

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FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Typical of Sinn Fein, wanting to shoot their mouths off (and anything else) without carefully considering the consequences. We don't need to do anything, the EU will slap them down and we can smile in the background, a much better way to show power, rather than shouting "Hold me back" like a drunken thug.


https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/0910/1164329-ecj-brexit/

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Where would we be if Enda had been allowed to carry on with his simpering, not wanting to offend strategy and if the DUP/FG alliance in the EU parliament had not been challenged?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where would we be if Enda had been allowed to carry on with his simpering, not wanting to offend strategy and if the DUP/FG alliance in the EU parliament had not been challenged?

What an ill-informed post rewriting history.

The Irish government, with the support of the EU, set out to secure the best deal for Ireland which was the UK remaining in the Customs Union and the Single Market. It was only after those aims became unachievable that they lowered their sights and ambitions to a level where Sinn Fein had been sitting all the time - special status for Northern Ireland. Let there be no mistake, the situation we are in is far worse than where the government set out to achieve. I am disappointed with the outcome for those reasons.

That you and others are cheering at Irish people being worse off because you believe it somehow increases the chances of unification says it all about the republican and Sinn Fein mentality. Cheerleading the special status for Northern Ireland when we failed to keep the UK in the SM and CU is like a Monaghan fan opening champagne for finishing second from bottom of the First Division of the NFL and still getting relegated.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

What an ill-informed post rewriting history.

The Irish government, with the support of the EU, set out to secure the best deal for Ireland which was the UK remaining in the Customs Union and the Single Market. It was only after those aims became unachievable that they lowered their sights and ambitions to a level where Sinn Fein had been sitting all the time - special status for Northern Ireland. Let there be no mistake, the situation we are in is far worse than where the government set out to achieve. I am disappointed with the outcome for those reasons.

That you and others are cheering at Irish people being worse off because you believe it somehow increases the chances of unification says it all about the republican and Sinn Fein mentality. Cheerleading the special status for Northern Ireland when we failed to keep the UK in the SM and CU is like a Monaghan fan opening champagne for finishing second from bottom of the First Division of the NFL and still getting relegated.

Wow...what a rewrite of history giving the EU and Enda a role in the UK's affairs?

This is as hilarious a rewrite as I have ever seen.

FG's approach from the start should have been to point out strongly and adamantly to those considering Brexit what was ahead for them if they DIDN'T consider NI and the GFA.

That was a mistake Brexiteers were allowed to make wthout a peep out of the FGers.
They were busy allying themselves to the DUP in the EU parliament.

markodaly

Risteard81 wrote: »

She is an odious woman. I can't stand her. And the so-called "EU" is illegal and treasonous and must be disbanded.

Oh please, go on... :pac:

Truthvader

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is really really important that this be pointed out...this is part of the hat doffing and faffing referred to earlier. Echo's of Jack Lynch's simpering, subservient 'phone call' after Bloody Sunday too.
As McDonald said in the same interview...if this kind of lame technocratic speech response is all we can come up with, is it any wonder the British treat us as pawns in the first place.

Because if Mary Lou was in charge she'd ring Boris and .......... and .........and - anyway she'd be really really cross .....

I'd say Boris wouldn't even take a call from her

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Wow...what a rewrite of history giving the EU and Enda a role in the UK's affairs?

This is as hilarious a rewrite as I have ever seen.

FG's approach from the start should have been to point out strongly and adamantly to those considering Brexit what was ahead for them if they DIDN'T consider NI and the GFA.

That was a mistake Brexiteers were allowed to make wthout a peep out of the FGers.
They were busy allying themselves to the DUP in the EU parliament.

Comical Ali can't hold a torch to that post.

Sinn Fein, from the outset, looked for a lesser outcome for this island, their lack of ambition clear, all for notions of some dream of unification, putting that first before the prosperity of ordinary people. It was no surprise given the way they have behaved in Northern Ireland for the last 50 years.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Comical Ali can't hold a torch to that post.

Sinn Fein, from the outset, looked for a lesser outcome for this island, their lack of ambition clear, all for notions of some dream of unification, putting that first before the prosperity of ordinary people. It was no surprise given the way they have behaved in Northern Ireland for the last 50 years.

You haven't explained why FG sided with the DUP blanch AFTER the UK had decided to leave.

They as the government should have been making absolutely clear to the DUP and the UK what the consequences were...not pussyfooting around as they did.

As MLMD says it is small wonder that the UK continue to think they can use us as pawns if we engage in this simpering hat doffing approach.