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blanch152

Yurt! wrote: »

This was widely reported in the press and was the subject of an Oireachtas committee meeting so you're not getting away with feigning ignorance that you didn't read it or hear it.

The scale of the practice in the meat industry is unclear, but we know it is going on.

Surprise, surprise, I did miss it, I don't follow every media story.

dundalkfc10

blanch152 wrote: »

Surprise, surprise, I did miss it, I don't follow every media story.

Surprise Suprise you are saying you never seen it. Arsene Wenger you remind me of

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

Surprise, surprise, I did miss it, I don't follow every media story.

So now you are aware of it, what's your opinion chief?

smurgen

Yurt! wrote: »

This was widely reported in the press and was the subject of an Oireachtas committee meeting so you're not getting away with feigning ignorance that you didn't read it or hear it.

The scale of the practice in the meat industry is unclear, but we know it is going on.

See no evil hear no evil.

https://www.thejournal.ie/meat-plants-committee-5174200-Aug2020/#comments

Truthvader

Someone in government needs to investigate meat plants and the conditions of workers. Full Stop

And then take some actual action

Hawthorn Tree

McMurphy wrote: »

So now you are aware of it, what's your opinion chief?

It's usually around now Blanch goes missing.

Interesting comments on that Journal link. Politicians certainly protect the meat plant owners. Were any of them at the Clifden Elite party?

smurgen

Another interesting link. Lots of buck passing in this one too.Hiqa citing public health advice then reporting to department of health then to an expert panel etc etc. Seems like the lines are being blurred to cover the decision making process.

"Patient safety watchdog, Hiqa stopped doing nursing home inspections in March on the same day the first confirmed case of Covid-19 was confirmed in one of these facilities, it was claimed yesterday.

It was among a series of criticisms levelled at Hiqa when its officials appeared before the Oireachtas Special Committee on Covid-19 Response yesterday.

People Before Profit TD Bríd Smith TD asked why Hiqa halted its inspections on March 13, the same day as the first confirmed case of Covid-19 in a nursing home.

She said the rise in nursing home deaths in the following months was "very graphic and it spiked out of control".

"Why did you take such a rapid decision on the first day you heard of a death?"
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/watchdog-stopped-inspecting-nursing-homes-when-covid-hit-39522032.html

Pintman Paddy Losty

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.breakingnews.ie/ireland/martin-hits-back-after-criticism-that-varadkar-running-rings-around-him-1016635.html

Once again the Pintman calls it right. I said it from Day 1 that Varadkar would be playing Martin like a fiddle. If you want astute and accurate political insights, look to the Pintman, and look no further.

FF walked in to that trap like ****e to a fly. Excellent realpolitik and gamesmanship from the professionals, Fine Gael.

Next up a catastrophe of a left leaning coalition followed by 2 more successful terms for Fine Gael. You can take that to the bank.

McMurphy

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.breakingnews.ie/ireland/martin-hits-back-after-criticism-that-varadkar-running-rings-around-him-1016635.html

Once again the Pintman calls it right. I said it from Day 1 that Varadkar would be playing Martin like a fiddle. If you want astute and accurate political insights, look to the Pintman, and look no further.

FF walked in to that trap like ****e to a fly. Excellent realpolitik and gamesmanship from the professionals, Fine Gael.

Next up a catastrophe of a left leaning coalition followed by 2 more successful terms for Fine Gael. You can take that to the bank.

"Once again you called it right"?

Do we need to go through your posts as to your predictions on how fine gael would do in the last election?

And as for Maria Bailey prediction, nothing to see there blahdy blahdy blah - I know it's a parody piss take account paddy - but freshen up the act please - yawn.

James Brown

Well a FG representative gleefully commenting on how LV allegedly played MM. Some partners. Country first my hole. Stay classy FG.

Also must be noted as per usual the recommendations given after the Clery's disgrace weren't taken up and now we've similar with Debenhams. I can see FG being FG favouring the side of anyone but the tax paying workers, even LV spinning lies about there being no money. But FF could pipe up for the workers surely? Someone nudge Eamo.

JohnnyFlash

Bowie wrote: »

Well a FG representative gleefully commenting on how LV allegedly played MM. Some partners. Country first my hole. Stay classy FG.

Also must be noted as per usual the recommendations given after the Clery's disgrace weren't taken up and now we've similar with Debenhams. I can see FG being FG favouring the side of anyone but the tax paying workers, even LV spinning lies about there being no money. But FF could pipe up for the workers surely? Someone nudge Eamo.

It isn't the job of Government to be getting involved in every redundancy payment dispute. You are stunningly politically naive for a lad who spends about 18 hours a day giving out about politics. You think everything in the country can be micromanaged, that there's infinite amounts of money to solve everything, and that some sort of socialist utopia is going to improve the lot of the citizens of a country that is ranked 3rd in the world in the UN Human Development Index.

James Brown

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It isn't the job of Government to be getting involved in every redundancy payment dispute. You are stunningly politically naive for a lad who spends about 18 hours a day giving out about politics. You think everything in the country can be micromanaged, that there's infinite amounts of money to solve everything, and that some sort of socialist utopia is going to improve the lot of the citizens of a country that is ranked 3rd in the world in the UN Human Development Index.

I agree. However they could have brought in legislation to help all parties avoid such things.
Also what the **** is Leo doing telling lies? If he's not supposed to be getting involved?

No thoughts for middle Ireland huh John?

dundalkfc10

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.breakingnews.ie/ireland/martin-hits-back-after-criticism-that-varadkar-running-rings-around-him-1016635.html

Once again the Pintman calls it right. I said it from Day 1 that Varadkar would be playing Martin like a fiddle. If you want astute and accurate political insights, look to the Pintman, and look no further.

FF walked in to that trap like ****e to a fly. Excellent realpolitik and gamesmanship from the professionals, Fine Gael.

Next up a catastrophe of a left leaning coalition followed by 2 more successful terms for Fine Gael. You can take that to the bank.

You call their 2 terms successful, that successful it led then to their worst election results in decades?

Bowie

Bowie wrote: »

I agree. However they could have brought in legislation to help all parties avoid such things.
Also what the **** is Leo doing telling lies? If he's not supposed to be getting involved?

No thoughts for middle Ireland huh John?

There’s already legislation in place to guarantee workers a fair redundancy payment. Debenhams workers are getting this. In their greed, they’re showing total lack of consideration to others who are owed money. They are also making themselves unemployable by their actions.

James Brown

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There’s already legislation in place to guarantee workers a fair redundancy payment. Debenhams workers are getting this. in their greed, they’re showing total lack of consideration to others who are owed money. They are also making themselves unemployable by their actions.

Well there you have it. Workers protesing looking for what they believe they are due are just greedy. The other creditors, do you have details? How do you know they're not 'greedy'?
A part of the recommendations was to protect all parties in this kind of situation. One being enabling the state to chase up assets transferred. They didn't bother.
LV got involved. LV lied or was ignorant of the facts which begs the question why he made the claim there was no money there, (at all, for anyone) when there is?

An Ciarraioch

Consistent with other recent polls, it appears FF are being squeezed by both FG and SF:

https://twitter.com/alanrantwell/status/1304845692184268801

As for the smaller parties, Labour are in the doldrums, the Greens will be satisfied, and the Soc Dems indiifferent.

Pintman Paddy Losty

Unsurprisingly FG are the most popular party in the country. A ringing endorsement.

Brendan Bendar

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Consistent with other recent polls, it appears FF are being squeezed by both FG and SF:

https://twitter.com/alanrantwell/status/1304845692184268801

As for the smaller parties, Labour are in the doldrums, the Greens will be satisfied, and the Soc Dems indiifferent.

Squeezed by themselves and their idiotic cavemen I would opine.

MacSharry, Cowen, O’Caoimh, O’Dea, and others....

These coins have done a lot of damage and it’s showing.

MM should have taken action earlier.

Bowie

Bowie wrote: »

Well there you have it. Workers protesing looking for what they believe they are due are just greedy. The other creditors, do you have details? How do you know they're not 'greedy'?
A part of the recommendations was to protect all parties in this kind of situation. One being enabling the state to chase up assets transferred. They didn't bother.
LV got involved. LV lied or was ignorant of the facts which begs the question why he made the claim there was no money there, (at all, for anyone) when there is?

They ARE getting what they are due! They are also devaluing the stock by their actions. The goods are now outdated.

Imagine if you were a supplier, owed €10,000. Would you be happy to accept less just so former workers can get over and above their legal entitlement?

smurgen

Bowie wrote: »

Well there you have it. Workers protesing looking for what they believe they are due are just greedy. The other creditors, do you have details? How do you know they're not 'greedy'?
A part of the recommendations was to protect all parties in this kind of situation. One being enabling the state to chase up assets transferred. They didn't bother.
LV got involved. LV lied or was ignorant of the facts which begs the question why he made the claim there was no money there, (at all, for anyone) when there is?

It would be interesting to know if Debenhams ireland made any payments to the parent company just before or during the liquidation process.

Brendan Bendar

smurgen wrote: »

It would be interesting to know if Debenhams ireland made any payments to the parent company just before or during the liquidation process.

I’m surprised that you don’t know that already.

McMurphy

I seen a few clips of Simon Coveney handing Andrew Marr his ass this morning, fair play to him, he is no soft tyre is Simon.

Here's the gist of it.


https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1305063584926445568?s=19

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

I seen a few clips of Simon Coveney handing Andrew Marr his ass this morning, fair play to him, he is no soft tyre is Simon.

Here's the gist of it.


https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1305063584926445568?s=19

In fairness, handing anyone saying what Marr was their ass, was a fairly simple mornings work.

Truthvader

Deleted User wrote: »

They ARE getting what they are due! They are also devaluing the stock by their actions. The goods are now outdated.

Imagine if you were a supplier, owed €10,000. Would you be happy to accept less just so former workers can get over and above their legal entitlement?

As before either Bowie doesn't understand the process or else he is following the standard Sinn Fein strategy of championing "the workers" regardless of truth or facts as part of the sleazy populist strategy to con thickos into voting for them on the "free houses and money for everyone" promise. They certainly will "break the free state" if let. And the big losers will be the very "workers" who vote for them when they find that all the jobs are gone because investors no longer want to risk their money in a trick shop failed state

JohnnyFlash

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In fairness, handing anyone saying what Marr was their ass, was a fairly simple mornings work.

Be a complicated afternoon’s work trying to figure out what you’re trying to say, Francie.

I get the feeling the gist of it is - he didn’t actually do well because he’s a FG politician.

FrancieBrady

Truthvader wrote: »

As before either Bowie doesn't understand the process or else he is following the standard Sinn Fein strategy of championing "the workers" regardless of truth or facts as part of the sleazy populist strategy to con thickos into voting for them on the "free houses and money for everyone" promise. They certainly will "break the free state" if let. And the big losers will be the very "workers" who vote for them when they find that all the jobs are gone because investors no longer want to risk their money in a trick shop failed state

Psst...these people have LOST their jobs.

FrancieBrady

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Be a complicated afternoon’s work trying to figure out what you’re trying to say, Francie.

I get the feeling the gist of it is - he didn’t actually do well because he’s a FG politician.

Actually, as someone who has praised Coveney's work on Brexit. It was Marr and any British person saying what he was, I was critiquing.

You'll put your eye out kneejerking in defence like that Johnny

Truthvader

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Psst...these people have LOST their jobs.

Pssst in a normal economy people are not entitled to the same job forever. That only happens to "community activists" in Belfast benefitting from Sinn Fein IRA extortion. Back in the real world business's come and go, people move up and move on, learn new skills, change jobs, start new business's.

Except when a state collapses and no-one wants to risk their capital. Then there is no new opportunity to go to

FrancieBrady

Truthvader wrote: »

Pssst in a normal economy people are not entitled to the same job forever. That only happens to "community activists" in Belfast benefitting from Sinn Fein IRA extortion. Back in the real world business's come and go, people move up and move on, learn new skills, change jobs, start new business's.

Except when a state collapses and no-one wants to risk their capital. Then there is no new opportunity to go to

I'm all for businesses coming and going Truth, but not if they are trampling on people with the connivance of those in power.

Your scaremongering 'the state will collapse' protection racket is as bad as political connivance with big business. Calm down lad or lassie.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Psst...these people have LOST their jobs.

And are getting the legal amount of redundancy payment.