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FF/FG/Green Next Government

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    #8192
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Same old greasy broken record. The government allow things happen due to incompetence or cronyism or both and it's the public's own fault, (see Covid in meat plants, financial crash, housing and homeless crises).

    We all went mad/partied. Varadkar will be on to quote 'The Commitments' soon enough.


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    #8193
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Bowie wrote: »
    It will only blow over if the meat plants carry out measures such as social distancing and supplying PPE. If any business is seen not to be adhering (and a Covid cluster has been created), that business should be shut down until they comply.

    34 times Trump said the coronavirus would go away

    Trump is not a member of ff or fg.


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    #8194
    Hawthorn Tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    Auckland is 2150km from Sydney


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    #8195
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Trump is not a member of ff or fg.

    I'm comparing the logic of a poster claiming it will blow over.
    Seemed clear to me. Y'know, how I quoted and put in bold and all that.


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    #8196
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,569 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Bowie wrote: »
    Same old greasy broken record. The government allow things happen due to incompetence or cronyism or both and it's the public's own fault, (see Covid in meat plants, financial crash, housing and homeless crises).

    We all went mad/partied. Varadkar will be on to quote 'The Commitments' soon enough.

    The Govt. issue the directions, the public and those charged to implement them and those asked to abide by them chose to take the selfish route and ignore them.

    Only one culprit there, a chara.


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    #8197
    [Deleted User]
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    Bowie wrote: »
    It will only blow over if the meat plants carry out measures such as social distancing and supplying PPE. If any business is seen not to be adhering (and a Covid cluster has been created), that business should be shut down until they comply.

    34 times Trump said the coronavirus would go away

    Indeed. And where measures are being taken, no need for a shutdown.


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    #8198
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Indeed. And where measures are being taken, no need for a shutdown.

    Agreed.
    Do we cross our fingers and hope they'll learn the error of their ways as Covid spreads?


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    #8199
    atticu
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭atticu


    Bowie wrote: »
    These people aren't being shipped to Ireland and carted in like cattle because they enjoy it.
    Bowie wrote: »
    I was speaking on the crammed buses ferrying them to work. We've seen the photos.
    atticu wrote: »
    Who forced these people onto that bus?
    Bowie wrote: »
    A meat plant has cases of Covid. It's continuing to operate and no public representative or state body is doing anything. Do you think it's acceptable?

    Would you like to backup your claims?

    Who forced these people into work?

    Do you think that it is acceptable that people who have symptoms of Covid-19 keep going to work?


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    #8200
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    The Govt. issue the directions, the public and those charged to implement them and those asked to abide by them chose to take the selfish route and ignore them.

    Only one culprit there, a chara.

    A meat plant isn't the public.it's regulated business. I can't open a meat plant without a license. You're clueless.


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    #8201
    atticu
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭atticu


    Floppybits wrote: »
    Would you also like their personal medical records as well?

    I would like the poster to back up their claim.


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    #8202
    [Deleted User]
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    Bowie wrote: »
    Agreed.
    Do we cross our fingers and hope they'll learn the error of their ways as Covid spreads?
    I assume that you mean the general public? I sincerely hope so. After all, personal responsibility is the most important measure.


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    #8203
    Redgirl82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭Redgirl82


    Bowie wrote: »
    Same old greasy broken record. The government allow things happen due to incompetence or cronyism or both and it's the public's own fault, (see Covid in meat plants, financial crash, housing and homeless crises).

    We all went mad/partied. Varadkar will be on to quote 'The Commitments' soon enough.


    As I already posted. If the government is going around injecting people with covid they are to blame.


    Based on my limited knowledge this isn't happening. So in reality you have a group of people getting sick because of their own actions, then another group who are the fallout because of the initial people.



    Unless you don't think people are not responsible for their own actions?


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    #8204
    atticu
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭atticu


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Follow NZ example.and aim for zero cases.....we were so fcuking close only for them to fcuk.away all our hard work and progress and open up to.early.



    Its obvious,this living with covid plan is a joke and they arent able to implement it.

    Are you suggesting that we close all the boarders?
    Because that is what NZ did.


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    #8205
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    maccored wrote: »
    As a shinner, im delighted to see a ff/fg gov. in fact im pretty sure i predicted it last year. they'll ruin the place but as ive already said - they won be able to blame the other this time

    prediction is spot on so far I see


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    #8206
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I assume that you mean the general public? I sincerely hope so. After all, personal responsibility is the most important measure.

    If personal responsibility is the be all and end all why have laws at all or prisons? Surely people should have personal responsibility and not perpatrate crimes?


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    #8207
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    smurgen wrote: »
    If personal responsibility is the be all and end all why have laws at all or prisons? Surely people should have personal responsibility and not perpatrate crimes?

    Not everyone is as civic minded as moi! The courts are for everyone else!


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    #8208
    Redgirl82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭Redgirl82


    smurgen wrote: »
    If personal responsibility is the be all and end all why have laws at all or prisons? Surely people should have personal responsibility and not perpatrate crimes?


    So you would prefer to take personal responsibility away from people?


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    #8209
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    So you would prefer to take personal responsibility away from people?

    Government already made that decision.Gardai had special powers for individuals during lockdown did they not?


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    #8210
    Poor_old_gill
    Registered Users Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭Poor_old_gill


    Jack Chambers.
    That is all.


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    #8211
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    atticu wrote: »
    Would you like to backup your claims?

    Who forced these people into work?

    Do you think that it is acceptable that people who have symptoms of Covid-19 keep going to work?

    We've discussed and had evidence of workers coming from Poland. An article featuring a standing room only bus bringing workers to a plant was also posted. Our health minister conceded there was a problem. Our tánaiste conceded there was a problem.
    It's agreed there's a problem. The 'backup' is on this very thread and in statements from elected officials as well as numerous media and social media reports.

    A meat plant has cases of Covid. It's continuing to operate and no public representative or state body is doing anything. Do you think that's acceptable?


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    #8212
    Redgirl82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭Redgirl82


    smurgen wrote: »
    Government already made that decision.Gardai had special powers for individuals during lockdown did they not?

    People still had personal responsibility, do you understand what that means?

    Or do you need me to explain?


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    #8213
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Redgirl82 wrote: »
    People still had personal responsibility, do you understand what that means?

    Or do you need me to explain?

    The government drafted laws to shore up people's lack of personal responsibility and intervene when necessary.


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    #8214
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I assume that you mean the general public? I sincerely hope so. After all, personal responsibility is the most important measure.

    A meat plant has cases of Covid. It's continuing to operate and no public representative or state body is doing anything. Do you think that's acceptable?
    If a chipper had mice it would be closed ffs. I think any business causing a rise in Covid cases due to willful negligence should be sanctioned and closed until they comply. Should bars and the like open and give two fingers to NPHET too?


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    #8215
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    smurgen wrote: »
    Government already made that decision.Gardai had special powers for individuals during lockdown did they not?

    Depends on the individual I'd imagine.

    For clarity I'm claiming the FF/FG Clifden posse and the like get special treatment unless the media shines a light and even then...well...


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    #8216
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    I can't wrap my head around these arguments special laws drafted for private individuals are fine. Special laws drafted for regulated industries not fine as it may reduce people's individual responsibility?


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    #8217
    [Deleted User]
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    Bowie wrote: »
    A meat plant has cases of Covid. It's continuing to operate and no public representative or state body is doing anything. Do you think that's acceptable?
    If a chipper had mice it would be closed ffs. I think any business causing a rise in Covid cases due to willful negligence should be sanctioned and closed until they comply. Should bars and the like open and give two fingers to NPHET too?

    If measures are being taken to address the issue, then why should a public representative intervene?
    I’ve worked in the private sector for over 50 years. Never has a public representative had to intervene in the running of any of those businesses. If there was a problem, it was sorted. Some ran into difficulties and were closed down. Such is life. No need for hand holding by the powers that be.


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    #8218
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Also.has a huge asian population and daily flights from.there and india aswell.as melbourne


    What makes the virus less deadly traveling 4000km vs 14km??


    Its a cop out,by a weak government and mouth breathers who fall inline and think this living witg covid plan will work....it wont...noone belives it will....aim for zero,it can.be done

    Yep. If people cop on and take measures to ensure their safety and that of anyone they come in contact with. ie personal responsibility.


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    #8219
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    This plant had a confirmed positive since monday....how long do you propose ffg turn a blindeye to this unfolding diaster,before intervening??


    Do you honestly believe dawn meats,are going to behave ethically?.....it took them.a week to respond to request from local media on whether there was a case or not and tried to shut it down as granny is one of its main killing plants

    What’s your granny got to do with it?


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    #8220
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If measures are being taken to address the issue, then why should a public representative intervene?
    I’ve worked in the private sector for over 50 years. Never has a public representative had to intervene in the running of any of those businesses. If there was a problem, it was sorted. Some ran into difficulties and were closed down. Such is life. No need for hand holding by the powers that be.

    So you're happy to risk clusters to break out and threaten county specific lockdowns in a bid to preserve moral hazard during a once in a century pandemic?


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    #8221
    [Deleted User]
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    smurgen wrote: »
    So you're happy to risk clusters to break out and threaten county specific lockdowns in a bid to preserve moral hazard during a once in a century pandemic?

    Outbreaks have occurred in many businesses. They have been contained and overcome. Waterford is no exception. Posters are getting their knickers in a right twist just because it’s happening in their neighborhood. It’s happened in mine, measures were taken and business is back to normal.


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