FF/FG/Green Next Government

James Brown

McMurphy wrote: »

Don't think it matters in the grand scheme of things, but YFG are revolting too.


Youth wing of Fine Gael says it will vote against government deal



https://twitter.com/yfg/status/1273201836829421568?s=19

The sprouts, (young greens ) aren't too jazzed either.

Damian F

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

That's an interesting one.. the future of the party publicly and vocally rejecting the position of their own?

It's hard to argue with them - especially on the SF being the ultimate winner point. I also like the "equality of opportunity not outcome" line.

If the public decide to give SF 80 seats in 5 years time that's democracy, it's up to FG FF & the greens to do a good enough job to get reelected in 25

FrancieBrady

Both youth wings of FF and FG have rejected this.
Given the Greens are predominately a youthful party I think it doesn't look good.

Young FF and FG engaging in civil war politics or is it just a sh** programme that offers young people nothing?

McMurphy

Bowie wrote: »

The sprouts, (young greens ) aren't too jazzed either.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

That's an interesting one.. the future of the party publicly and vocally rejecting the position of their own?

It's hard to argue with them - especially on the SF being the ultimate winner point. I also like the "equality of opportunity not outcome" line.

You can add young FF to the list also.


https://twitter.com/OgraFiannaFail/status/1272957906783277057?s=19

Edgware

If the Greens dont back lets go for a quick general election. Ideally the public will turn on the small groups and wipe them out. If FF see power slipping away theyknow what they have to do.

Water John

The PM of Finland leads a party with 40 seats out of 200. The next two parties in size have 38 seats each, both in opposition.
Making a Govn't in most countries is about putting together the numbers in Parliament to have a majority. This usually but nor exclusively has the party with the largest number of seats, either by convention or by the President, first requested to try and form a Govn't.
The numbers to make that majority can come from any combination.
It is usual but not exclusive that the largest party gets the first attempt, at least.
Failure on their part, doesn't automatically trigger a GE.

StackSteevens

Water John wrote: »

The numbers to make that majority can come from any combination.
It is usual but not exclusive that the largest party gets the first attempt, at least.
Failure on their part, doesn't automatically trigger a GE.

Correct and right.

And I'd say that the preening egotist in the Aras would simply love the opportunity to wallow in the media spotlight as he summoned Mary Lou and the new leader of FF to the Park to invite them to try to form a governemnt.

_Kaiser_

Edgware wrote: »

If the Greens dont back lets go for a quick general election. Ideally the public will turn on the small groups and wipe them out. If FF see power slipping away theyknow what they have to do.

To be honest given the mess that's been made of this coalition (which hasn't even sat yet), I'd probably support the idea of FF and SF at this stage. One tempered by the other. Couldn't be much worse.

FG in power is more of the same which everyone agrees isn't want the electorate voted for. Leo wants to go into opposition anyway sure.

is_that_so

Edgware wrote: »

If the Greens dont back lets go for a quick general election. Ideally the public will turn on the small groups and wipe them out. If FF see power slipping away theyknow what they have to do.

The current polls suggest a FG-led government in an election if the numbers panned out. FF would be in really big trouble.

Shefwedfan

Bowie wrote: »

You were slagging her for thinking she might be only yesterday.



it's unfortunate folk are dragging your thread into a SF thread huh?
If all you have is a dislike for SF, I suggest you seek out a party you like. Get into something positive. We've FF/FG/Greens possibly forming a government. Is all they have going for them not being SF? It's just you don't seem interested in anything outside of feverishly posting on SF.

The smiley face is for a joke.....


In case you didn't realize

Galwayguy35

I don't get this referendum on housing, what exactly will we be voting on.

Edgware

Edgware wrote: »

If the Greens dont back lets go for a quick general election. Ideally the public will turn on the small groups and wipe them out. If FF see power slipping away theyknow what they have to do.

That's the last thing we need.

JohnnyFlash

StackSteevens wrote: »

Correct and right.

And I'd say that the preening egotist in the Aras would simply love the opportunity to wallow in the media spotlight as he summoned Mary Lou and the new leader of FF to the Park to invite them to try to form a governemnt.

The FF team might consider throwing MM under the bus, and trying to do a deal with SF. SD’s might have to step up as well.

Then FG go into opposition alongside the Labour Party and the looney left.

blanch152

Isn't it great to get excited about the young people?

Have to say that it won't matter a jot in Fine Gael or Fianna Fail to the end-result.

It is possible that the radical wing of the Green Party will stop the deal, but who knows? Let us wait and see.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Isn't it great to get excited about the young people?

Have to say that it won't matter a jot in Fine Gael or Fianna Fail to the end-result.

It is possible that the radical wing of the Green Party will stop the deal, but who knows? Let us wait and see.

Doesn't seem to matter what the membership want in FG anyway. If the elders say it's a done deal, then it's a done deal. Ask Simon Coveney about that.

FrancieBrady

Slugger O'Toole journo on RTE there saying not a single northern Green that he is aware of has publicly backed the deal.

Muahahaha

Odds on a second election sitting at 2/1, it might come to pass yet. Though FG should be careful what they wish for, polls might be running high now during Covid but a fresh election in September would be fought on the exact same topics they lost it on last time out- health and housing. If anything the last few months has exposed how FG has hollowed out the health service for the benefit of private companies.

Any fresh election campaign would also see serious scrutiny of the virus being let rage through nursing homes under their watch, lots of people out there who have lost their elderly parents and they want answers. Stats on Covid do not paint Ireland in a good light, it could make for some very uncomfortable debates for Leo if this is put under a microscope during an election campaign.

McMurphy

Muahahaha wrote: »

Odds on a second election sitting at 2/1, it might come to pass yet. Though FG should be careful what they wish for, polls might be running high now during Covid but a fresh election in September would be fought on the exact same topics they lost it on last time out- health and housing. If anything the last few months has exposed how FG has hollowed out the health service for the benefit of private companies.

Any fresh election campaign would also see serious scrutiny of the virus being let rage through nursing homes under their watch, lots of people out there who have lost their elderly parents and they want answers. Stats on Covid do not paint Ireland in a good light, it could make for some very uncomfortable debates for Leo if this is put under a microscope during an election campaign.

My own thoughts are the same on this, the Siteserv inquiry to be published in less than a fortnight will also be interesting on seeing how that goes.

Podge_irl

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I don't get this referendum on housing, what exactly will we be voting on.

There is nothing on a referendum on housing in the Programme for Government that I have seen. For the obvious reason that its not a very good or sensible idea in any way shape or form.

Podge_irl

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Doesn't seem to matter what the membership want in FG anyway. If the elders say it's a done deal, then it's a done deal. Ask Simon Coveney about that.

The members of a parliamentary party electing their leader makes eminently more sense than the members of the party at large, seeing as it is the former that they have to lead. Would have thought the fiasco of Corbyn's leadership would have made that clear.

Truthvader

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Doesn't seem to matter what the membership want in FG anyway. If the elders say it's a done deal, then it's a done deal. Ask Simon Coveney about that.

Not like some other parties where someone called "Slab" calls the shots

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Slugger O'Toole journo on RTE there saying not a single northern Green that he is aware of has publicly backed the deal.

Slugger says NO :P:P:P:P:P:P


Bowie ^^^^^^ thats a joke

dundalkfc10

Truthvader wrote: »

Not like some other parties where someone called "Slab" calls the shots

Does he, who is this man? Have you proof of this or just the usual have a go at Sinn Fein because a new election will mean Housing and Health will **** up FG again.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Slugger O'Toole journo on RTE there saying not a single northern Green that he is aware of has publicly backed the deal.

It is wrong that they have a say in whether the Greens enter government down here.

Itssoeasy

blanch152 wrote: »

It is wrong that they have a say in whether the Greens enter government down here.

If it's in the party rules then no I wouldn't say it's wrong.

markodaly

Bowie wrote: »

Can you give examples of this 'media crusade' or are you just complaining about FG being reported on what FG do, (praise fascists, think there was 18 previous Covids, make a balls of 'Ireland's call', say the civil service was very white etc.)?

Thank you for perfectly encapsulating the point I was trying to make.

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

It is wrong that they have a say in whether the Greens enter government down here.

Did you not know this before you voted for them?

Why is it wrong btw? If this was some new rule or revelation just plucked from someone's nether regions, you may have a point, seems like another reason for you to stop pretending to support them though. :pac:

Seamai

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

They consider it to be their country too so, yes.

I very much doubt Green Party members in the north are drawn exclusively from the nationalist community. Until such time a referendum is passed on both sides of this island allowing for unification, Northern Ireland is part of as foreign country. Fact!

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

It is wrong that they have a say in whether the Greens enter government down here.

A Green voter thinks it is wrong that a 'green' party would have a whole island environmental concern?

A green policy that didn't include what happens on the whole island is like a health policy that thinks a virus recognises borders.

Typical you would be concerned about this now blanch.

markodaly

Muahahaha wrote: »

Odds on a second election sitting at 2/1, it might come to pass yet. Though FG should be careful what they wish for, polls might be running high now during Covid but a fresh election in September would be fought on the exact same topics they lost it on last time out- health and housing. If anything the last few months has exposed how FG has hollowed out the health service for the benefit of private companies.

Any fresh election campaign would also see serious scrutiny of the virus being let rage through nursing homes under their watch, lots of people out there who have lost their elderly parents and they want answers. Stats on Covid do not paint Ireland in a good light, it could make for some very uncomfortable debates for Leo if this is put under a microscope during an election campaign.

Well this has certainly focused minds. There is an outpouring of 'Not FF and MM!' but that is what the last election gave us. More people want Leo at the top, more so than anyone else. Its a case of 'be aware of what you wish for'. Classic buyers remorse.

Now I do not think FG is going to get 35%+ in an election but they will certainly do better than the 21% they go a few months ago.

If the Greens collapse the whole thing, then MM is done with no heir apparent in sight and the Greens may as well pack up and go home as what is the point?

People think electing TD's is about making a few viral sound bites and then enjoy some backslapping by the bots on Twitter, but electing TD's is first and foremost about electing a government. And because we live in a PRSTV world, one has to think about what type of government people want. The smaller parties really really have to step up to the plate as they have all been useless apart from the Greens, and the jury is out on them at the moment.

Like, if the Greens reject the deal, they are really saying that they will not go into government with FF and FG, but will they then go into government with SF, who are steadfast against a Carbon Tax?

Its the case of being ideologically snow white and pure on the outside and in opposition, but in government, you have to pick and choose. The Greens are now learning this and other parties like SF will learn it too in time.