FF/FG/Green Next Government

Seamai

Itssoeasy wrote: »

If it's in the party rules then no I wouldn't say it's wrong.

I wonder how many people down here were aware of it though? Quite a few people aren't thrilled about the fact that a few hundred Northerners might be the difference in whether or not we will have a government in 10 days time. How can that be right and fair? It amounts to external interference in my book.

We all know that Sinn Féin are all island but the Greens don't bang on about it.

FrancieBrady

Seamai wrote: »

I wonder how many people down here were aware of it though? Quite a few people aren't thrilled about the fact that a few hundred Northerners might be the difference in whether or not we have a government in 10 days time. How can that be right and fair? It amounts to external interference in my book.

We all know that Sinn Féin are all island but the Greens don't bang on about it.

From the 'About' page of their website. If you didn't know and you are voting for them...the laugh is on you.

The movement found political form in the late 1970s and early 1980s as Green parties were set up in just about every country. In Ireland, the Green Party (then known as the Ecology Party of Ireland) was formed in 1981 by a group of people with a vision for an Ireland that planned for the long-term and protected our island’s natural beauty.

We currently have two TDs and one Senator in the Oireachtas, two MEPs and two MLAs (Members of the Legislative Assembly) in Northern Ireland. We also have 57 elected councillors working in local areas around the island. Local groups around the country play a vital role in organising meetings and events, canvassing and fundraising.

Edgware

is_that_so wrote: »

The current polls suggest a FG-led government in an election if the numbers panned out. FF would be in really big trouble.

The polls may suggest that now but if the Greens walk the polls will change. FF will gain some support for their efforts but I would be afraid that FG could hit 70 plus seats and then we are all in trouble.

Seamai

FrancieBrady wrote: »

From the 'About' page of their website. If you didn't know and you are voting for them...the laugh is on you.

You can be as smug as you want, it doesn't make it right. I didn't vote for them (and never said I did, so no joke on me) and it would certainly colour my decision to vote for them in future. So there is nothing wrong with outsiders having a say in our government? I can't see how any right thinking person would think it was acceptable.

Edgware

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A Green voter thinks it is wrong that a 'green' party would have a whole island environmental concern?

A green policy that didn't include what happens on the whole island is like a health policy that thinks a virus recognises borders.

Typical you would be concerned about this now blanch.

Pollution stops at the border. Probably the remains of the washed diesel acts as a deterrent

FrancieBrady

Seamai wrote: »

You can be as smug as you want, it doesn't make it right. I didn't vote for them (and never said I did, so no joke on me) and it would certainly colour my decision to vote for them in future. So there is nothing wrong with outsiders having a say in our government? I can't see how any right thinking person would think it was acceptable.

You need to get onto whoever you vote for then and tell them to have no truck with them. Maybe they could refuse to talk to them?

Shefwedfan

If this does fail it is about time we got rid of the Independent. The likes of HealyRae, Lowry etc add zero value to anyone.

If they want to run then stick to the local councillor jobs because thats all they do in the end of the day!!!

LawBoy2018

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If this does fail it is about time we got rid of the Independent. The likes of HealyRae, Lowry etc add zero value to anyone.

If they want to run then stick to the local councillor jobs because thats all they do in the end of the day!!!

Get rid of them? They topped their polls?

is_that_so

Edgware wrote: »

The polls may suggest that now but if the Greens walk the polls will change. FF will gain some support for their efforts but I would be afraid that FG could hit 70 plus seats and then we are all in trouble.

The Green members need to have the reality of walking spelt out to them.They can learn compromise or have their principles intact from opposition after a new election. FG certainly won't care care either way.

Shefwedfan

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Get rid of them? They topped their polls?

They add zero value to the country. Just look at the healy Rae thread and everyone thinks they are greta because they ran a bus to the North to get help.



They are just hand shakers at a funeral and then layouts.


If they want to do that politics, grand, stay at local councillor. None of these guys are heklping resolve the issues in Ireland.



Shut them down.

LawBoy2018

Shefwedfan wrote: »

They add zero value to the country. Just look at the healy Rae thread and everyone thinks they are greta because they ran a bus to the North to get help.



They are just hand shakers at a funeral and then layouts.


If they want to do that politics, grand, stay at local councillor. None of these guys are heklping resolve the issues in Ireland.



Shut them down.

Calm down there Kim Jong-Un II.

FrancieBrady

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Get rid of them? They topped their polls?

Only the 'chosen people' are fit to govern. Didn't you know, if FG and FF can't manage to hoodwink the Greens we have a 'political crisis'?

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Only the 'chosen people' are fit to govern. Didn't you know, if FG and FF can't manage to hoodwink the Greens we have a 'political crisis'?

SF would be better than independents

LawBoy2018

Shefwedfan wrote: »

SF would be better than independents

Well, unfortunately, we won't be able to test that theory as they've been locked out of government by FFG. ("Y dIdN't ThEy FoRm A lEfT gOvErNmEnT, tHeY hAd ThE nUmBeRs"... *facepalm*)

Shefwedfan

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Well, unfortunately, we won't be able to test that theory as they've been locked out of government by FFG. ("Y dIdN't ThEy FoRm A lEfT gOvErNmEnT, tHeY hAd ThE nUmBeRs"... *facepalm*)

Yes they got locked out :P:P:P


Nobody left the keys out for them fior 3 months when they hide away, even from PBP....they couldnt find them

Muahahaha

Surely if this program for Govt. doesnt pass its then incumbent on Fine Gael and Sinn Fein to sit down and talk. Fine Gael really need to get a bit of maturity and recognise there is now a three party system and from here on in these situations are going to arise election after election.

If the DUP have the maturity to go into government with Sinn Fein it doesnt say much about the maturity of Fine Gael in refusing to even talk to them. The electorate at large couldnt care less for their petty squabbling, it only seems to be the party hacks who are bothered with the school yard games that lead us nowhere.

LawBoy2018

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Yes they got locked out :P:P:P


Nobody left the keys out for them fior 3 months when they hide away, even from PBP....they couldnt find them

SF are on-par with FG when it comes to strategy. I would imagine they realised early on that they didn't have the numbers for a stable government of the left, and that the left would have been picked apart if they formed a minority government in the wake of a global pandemic. The next election, whenever that may be, will change everything imo.

Shefwedfan

Muahahaha wrote: »

Surely if this program for Govt. doesnt pass its then incumbent on Fine Gael and Sinn Fein to sit down and talk. Fine Gael really need to get a bit of maturity and recognise there is now a three party system and from here on in these situations are going to arise election after election.

If the DUP have the maturity to go into government with Sinn Fein it doesnt say much about the maturity of Fine Gael in refusing to even talk to them. The electorate at large couldnt care less for their petty squabbling, it only seems to be the party hacks who are bothered with the school yard games that lead us nowhere.

SF dont want to into government, sit on opposition is what they want

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Only the 'chosen people' are fit to govern. Didn't you know, if FG and FF can't manage to hoodwink the Greens we have a 'political crisis'?

This is all abit like when rte said we are only allowed pick of ff/fg in a leaders debate,and shinners rode a wave of anger at the establishment arrogance


Even if justin barrett/gemma odoherty,ever put together enough votes to get elected,they deserve their place in the dail,as unpalatable as they are.

JohnnyFlash

Muahahaha wrote: »

Surely if this program for Govt. doesnt pass its then incumbent on Fine Gael and Sinn Fein to sit down and talk. Fine Gael really need to get a bit of maturity and recognise there is now a three party system and from here on in these situations are going to arise election after election.

If the DUP have the maturity to go into government with Sinn Fein it doesnt say much about the maturity of Fine Gael in refusing to even talk to them. The electorate at large couldnt care less for their petty squabbling, it only seems to be the party hacks who are bothered with the school yard games that lead us nowhere.

Why not FF and SF first? You only need to take a quick look around here to see the antipathy that SF supporters have towards FG. Obviously you couldn't have a Shinner as the minister for justice, so then you'd have a blueshirt minister for justice. Things like that.



The dysfunction we see in NI isn't something we should aspire to replicate in the Republic. The Republic is 3rd on the UN Human Development Index behind Switzerland and Norway. It's up to someone else to start ruining that.

McMurphy

Seamai wrote: »

I wonder how many people down here were aware of it though? Quite a few people aren't thrilled about the fact that a few hundred Northerners might be the difference in whether or not we will have a government in 10 days time. How can that be right and fair? It amounts to external interference in my book.

We all know that Sinn Féin are all island but the Greens don't bang on about it.

Lol, what FF/G mean is that it's the curve ball they didn't envisage whenever they tried to lure the greens in as a mudguard.

It's hard to fathom posters who regularly post on these forums and claim to be green party voters now loudly bemoaning a key component of the green party (as already explained, the greens are a whole island party) that members north and south get to cast a vote on govt formation North and South.

I'm actually close to wetting myself. Talk about egg on faces.

(Free range and organic obviously)

Truthvader

Muahahaha wrote: »

Surely if this program for Govt. doesnt pass its then incumbent on Fine Gael and Sinn Fein to sit down and talk. Fine Gael really need to get a bit of maturity and recognise there is now a three party system and from here on in these situations are going to arise election after election.

If the DUP have the maturity to go into government with Sinn Fein it doesnt say much about the maturity of Fine Gael in refusing to even talk to them. The electorate at large couldnt care less for their petty squabbling, it only seems to be the party hacks who are bothered with the school yard games that lead us nowhere.

Maturity? The DUP and Sinn Fein agreed to divide power (not share) and run their own little sectarian enclaves. They have been incapable of governing the whole. That tribal division does not exist here.

No decent person will have anything to do with Sinn Fein

JohnnyFlash

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Why not FF and SF first? You only need to take a quick look around here to see the antipathy that SF supporters have towards FG. Obviously you couldn't have a Shinner as the minister for justice, so then you'd have a blueshirt minister for justice. Things like that.



The dysfunction we see in NI isn't something we should aspire to replicate in the Republic. The Republic is 3rd on the UN Human Development Index behind Switzerland and Norway. It's up to someone else to start ruining that.

FF are to.my mind essentially the same as FG


Now whether shinners are better or worser,at least its different choice.....

we now have willie odea likely back in cabinet......to me,this isnt progress from,when they ran country over a cliff and proceed to sneer at anyone else as econmic illterate......

About time someone emerged to stand up to those two,labour tried but fcuked it up

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

From the 'About' page of their website. If you didn't know and you are voting for them...the laugh is on you.

Well now, I voted Green for the last two elections, and while I would have known that they are an all-Ireland party, I was surprised to learn that they allow Northern votes to have a say on coalition in the South.

Patser

Muahahaha wrote: »

Surely if this program for Govt. doesnt pass its then incumbent on Fine Gael and Sinn Fein to sit down and talk. Fine Gael really need to get a bit of maturity and recognise there is now a three party system and from here on in these situations are going to arise election after election.

If the DUP have the maturity to go into government with Sinn Fein it doesnt say much about the maturity of Fine Gael in refusing to even talk to them. The electorate at large couldnt care less for their petty squabbling, it only seems to be the party hacks who are bothered with the school yard games that lead us nowhere.

Yeah I don't get why it's always FG have to talk to SF - FF have the most seats, then SF - so logically they should be next option, not to mention FF being closer in alignment to SF than FG.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Well now, I voted Green for the last two elections, and while I would have known that they are an all-Ireland party, I was surprised to learn that they allow Northern votes to have a say on coalition in the South.

That's your problem as an uninformed voter.

LawBoy2018

Patser wrote: »

Yeah I don't get why it's always FG have to talk to SF - FF have the most seats, then SF - so logically they should be next option, not to mention FF being closer in alignment to SF than FG.

FF and SF have an equal amount of seats. FF had 38 before the Ceann Comhairle was selected.

Seamai

McMurphy wrote: »

Lol, what FF/G mean is that it's the curve ball they didn't envisage whenever they tried to lure the greens in as a mudguard.

It's hard to fathom posters who regularly post on these forums and claim to be green party voters now loudly bemoaning a key component of the green party (as already explained, the greens are a whole island party) that members north and south get to cast a vote on govt formation North and South.

I'm actually close to wetting myself. Talk about egg on faces.

(Free range and organic obviously)

Where did I say I ever voted Green? (For the record I haven't).

You might want to stock up on incontinence pads if wetting yourself is becoming an issue for you or maybe some pelvic floor exercises.ðŸ˜

McMurphy

Seamai wrote: »

Where did I say I ever voted Green? (For the record I haven't).

You might want to stock up on incontinence pads if wetting yourself is becoming an issue for you or maybe some pelvic floor exercises.

You need to reread my post again, because nowhere within it did I say, or even suggest you voted for the green party.

As for the incontinence jibe, I could make a similar one about reading comprehension issues, but I think you already appear to be upset enough.

FrancieBrady

Seamai wrote: »

Where did I say I ever voted Green?

If you didn't, then it's none of your business how they structure themselves.

Your only option is to persuade the party you voted for to not deal with them.