FF/FG/Green Next Government

JohnnyFlash

CrankyHaus wrote: »

What would challengers propose as an alternative strategy for FF?
Another election, another confidence and supply deal, coalition with SF?

FF made a real bad error of judgement after the last election in not going into coalition. They had none of the ministries, and were seen to support all the difficult decisions that the Government had to make.

That said, they really did do the State some service.

If this coalition is voted down by either the FF or Green membership then the thinking is Michael D will call a Council of State. He may ask that other parties go and look at forming a government.

Then Mary Lou will have to sit down with the alternative government of change they were ranting on about. Or FF will have to ditch their Cork contingent, and look at a coalition with SF, the SDs, Labour etc.

buried

This is going to last about two months. Its going to be very funny watching the inevitable withdrawal of the Green Party after a few weeks of Martin saying to them " yeah yeah yeah lads we'll do all that stuff ye want real real soon, just hang on there... yeah.. yeah.. we'll get rid of a good bit of that national herd real soon, sure we have to get the numbers first and set up a committee too, hang on there now that's a good lad"

Dank Janniels

Speaking of Independants- have any of them nailed their colours to the mast and said who they are going to support or are they all playing the game and seeing which party offers them their shopping list of local election promises?

Dank Janniels

Dank Janniels wrote: »

Speaking of Independants- have any of them nailed their colours to the mast and said who they are going to support or are they all playing the game and seeing which party offers them their shopping list of local election promises?

Micheal healy-rae of all people spoke quite well on the ivan yate show,on the fairly glaring flaws in the agreement


Displayed an understanding and medium to long term planning ability,that i had taught no irish politian held anymore

Loafing Oaf

Dank Janniels wrote: »

Speaking of Independants- have any of them nailed their colours to the mast and said who they are going to support or are they all playing the game and seeing which party offers them their shopping list of local election promises?

I'd say if the Green membership votes down the deal we'll be hearing loud and clear and urgent from those Inds who are interested in propping up a FF/FG government in return for a few local goodies. "Hold your horses lads, no need for another election, we can fill in for the Greens, without near as much hassle."

blanch152

political analyst wrote: »

If the coalition deal is not accepted by the membership of at least one of the three parties, is there a Plan B for renewal of the Offences Against the State Act?

FF, FG, Labour and right-leaning independent TDs (e.g. Lowry, McGrath) would still vote in favour of renewal of the Act. Does that mean that they could still form a temporary emergency government to ensure that the Taoiseach's nominees for the Seanad can take their seats and thus have the Act renewed?

It would be a calamity if the Special Criminal Court's foundation disappeared overnight.

It could well be part of the Sinn Fein gameplan, to avoid forming a government until the SCC is gone. It would be a bad day for this democracy if the Kinahans are allowed to roam free and unhindered with the good republicans of this island.

blanch152

blanch152 wrote: »

It could well be part of the Sinn Fein gameplan, to avoid forming a government until the SCC is gone. It would be a bad day for this democracy if the Kinahans are allowed to roam free and unhindered with the good republicans of this island.

Or we could enact proper legislation and do away the SCC.......your giving shinners forever too much credit there



But noone should get jail for possessing a pipe,with a hole drilled in it,imo

buried

Its fairly funny to come into a thread entitled 'FF/FG/Green Next Government' and then see from the posts that once again, its Sinn Fein's fault.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

It could well be part of the Sinn Fein gameplan, to avoid forming a government until the SCC is gone. It would be a bad day for this democracy if the Kinahans are allowed to roam free and unhindered with the good republicans of this island.

They are roaming the world are they not? Is that not the issue with the Daniel fella?

smurgen

blanch152 wrote: »

It could well be part of the Sinn Fein gameplan, to avoid forming a government until the SCC is gone. It would be a bad day for this democracy if the Kinahans are allowed to roam free and unhindered with the good republicans of this island.

Are the Kinahans not in Dubai the last ten years? When are they booked in for the SCC?

Fann Linn

blanch152 wrote: »

It could well be part of the Sinn Fein gameplan, to avoid forming a government until the SCC is gone. It would be a bad day for this democracy if the Kinahans are allowed to roam free and unhindered with the good republicans of this island.

There are other criminal courts Blanch. No need to be nervous.

LawBoy2018

Would FFG do another u-turn re Shannon LNG if the Greens reject the deal? The Kerry councillors/TDs are unwell about the whole situation.

JohnnyFlash

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Would FFG do another u-turn re Shannon LNG if the Greens reject the deal? The Kerry councillors/TDs are unwell about the whole situation.

Who are FFG? Never heard of them, apart from the barely coherent diatribes from mouth-breathers on sites like The Journal and Twitter.

Leonard Hofstadter

I don't know who 'FFG' are, but of course FF and FG could do a u-turn on the Shannon LNG plant if the Greens backed out.

If there's nothing else we've learned, it's that they're arch pragmatists and will accommodate the key things their coalition partners want.

There's lots of things for them to do u-turns on; 7% yearly reduction in carbon emissions, anything agriculture related, 2:1 allocation of roads vs public transport, speed limit review (it's in the PfG that speed limits will be reviewed and reduced with a view to reducing emissions), petrol/diesel car ban after 2030 (won't be achieved anyway), carbon budgets, housing referendum.

I'm not saying they will do all, or any, of this, in such a scenario, but you can see the types of things they'd offer to water down in order to get the rural TDs on board - and they'd get away with it in a world where even for Green party voters just 26% of them put climate action as their number one priority (according to the latest Irish Times opinion poll), and as a whole it is only a concern for 8% of the electorate.

JohnnyFlash

The Green Party members won't accept it. They are quickly learning the art of real politics, and it's a difficult place to be for most of them.

It's all well and good going on about cycle lanes when times are good. When there's a recession involved then you need one of the big 3. FF and SF need to do a deal. Get down to business borrowing money to solve all the issues. Cheapest credit ever.

Eric Cartman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Or we could enact proper legislation and do away the SCC.......your giving shinners forever too much credit there



But noone should get jail for possessing a pipe,with a hole drilled in it,imo

Whats the pipe with a hole in it ? The SCC in general is the one arm of the law we have to put away terrorists and gangland geavy hitters, its been stupidly effective

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Whats the pipe with a hole in it ? The SCC in general is the one arm of the law we have to put away terrorists and gangland geavy hitters, its been stupidly effective

https://www.dundalkdemocrat.ie/news/home/539422/monaghan-mechanic-found-guilty-of-ira-membership-has-conviction-upheld.html

https://www.northernsound.ie/monaghan-mechanic-found-guilty-ira-membership/


To me,there is enough evidence presented there to deserve a conviction

The birmingham 6 had more evidence againest them.....this so called booster tube,is a pipe with a hole drilled in it

Edgware

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well now we are on the UN Security Council for 2 years maybe we should take on board the UN's Human Rights Commission's criticism of the SCC and have a look at getting rid of it? They might let us stay for good?

I'm sure that Kinahan International, Slab and the lads would support your ridiculous idea

Edgware

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Or we could enact proper legislation and do away the SCC.......your giving shinners forever too much credit there



But noone should get jail for possessing a pipe,with a hole drilled in it,imo

Or if caught with a gun but no bullets. You havent a clue

Bishop of hope

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Or we could enact proper legislation and do away the SCC.......your giving shinners forever too much credit there



But noone should get jail for possessing a pipe,with a hole drilled in it,imo

Why not if its intended for unlawful purposes?
What's a gun but a handle with a pipe with a hole in it.
No one should be charged with possession of anything unless they get caught using it?

Shefwedfan

Deleted User wrote: »

Or we could enact proper legislation and do away the SCC.......your giving shinners forever too much credit there



But noone should get jail for possessing a pipe,with a hole drilled in it,imo

So you going to let the Boston bombers go free because they just had a pressure cooker and ball bearing?


Or Oklahoma because they just had fertalizer!!

Or closer to home, the Omagh bombing because they just had fertizier??? sure who cares about a few kids getting killed or an unborn children!!!!

is that what your saying????

Disgraceful comment

Yurt2

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So you going to let the Boston bombers go free because they just had a pressure cooker and ball bearing?


Or Oklahoma because they just had fertalizer!!

Or closer to home, the Omagh bombing because they just had fertizier??? sure who cares about a few kids getting killed or an unborn children!!!!

is that what your saying????

Disgraceful comment

Yes that's exactly what he's saying Cathy.

Truthvader

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.dundalkdemocrat.ie/news/home/539422/monaghan-mechanic-found-guilty-of-ira-membership-has-conviction-upheld.html

https://www.northernsound.ie/monaghan-mechanic-found-guilty-ira-membership/


To me,there is enough evidence presented there to deserve a conviction

The birmingham 6 had more evidence againest them.....this so called booster tube,is a pipe with a hole drilled in it

Well that shows what the Sinn Fein agenda should they ever get into power.

Another unfortunate Guard lost his life yesterday and the duplicitous Mary Lou is out expressing her "sympathy". No doubt the Guards like myself will remember how the killers of Gerry McCabe were cheered to the rafters by Sinn Fein/IRA on when they secured their release. And these are the people that one in four are happy to vote for. If you tolerate this your children will be next

is_that_so

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The Green Party members won't accept it. They are quickly learning the art of real politics, and it's a difficult place to be for most of them.

It's all well and good going on about cycle lanes when times are good. When there's a recession involved then you need one of the big 3. FF and SF need to do a deal. Get down to business borrowing money to solve all the issues. Cheapest credit ever.

The Greens have a convention today so that should give them all a chance to vent. It'll be pragmatism and common sense v principles and militancy.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0617/1147994-green-party/

dundalkfc10

FF/FG/Green Government thread about Sinn Fein.

The hurt is evident.

The "Shinners" are here to stay

Danzy

If this Govt goes through, SF will be a top 2 party in this state.

FF may well disappear, their support base is concentrated in the over 65s.

The Greens may not back it, they have good reason to suspect the deal is long finger but largely because many of them seem to be moral absolutist and 99% or less is unacceptable.

Danzy

Truthvader wrote: »

Well that shows what the Sinn Fein agenda should they ever get into power.

Another unfortunate Guard lost his life yesterday and the duplicitous Mary Lou is out expressing her "sympathy". No doubt the Guards like myself will remember how the killers of Gerry McCabe were cheered to the rafters by Sinn Fein/IRA on when they secured their release. And these are the people that one in four are happy to vote for. If you tolerate this your children will be next

Gerry who?

Was he that fellow shot in the 80s or 90s.

That's real relevant to the next 5 years.

McMurphy

2-1 on a second election this year.

Handy couple of hundred euro there for the taking for anyone who reckons this is going to nosedive.

Truthvader

Danzy wrote: »

Gerry who?

Was he that fellow shot in the 80s or 90s.

That's real relevant to the next 5 years.

Thanks for that. Reveals just who you are.

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So you going to let the Boston bombers go free because they just had a pressure cooker and ball bearing?


Or Oklahoma because they just had fertalizer!!

Or closer to home, the Omagh bombing because they just had fertizier??? sure who cares about a few kids getting killed or an unborn children!!!!

is that what your saying????

Disgraceful comment

This lad is a mechaic,who possed a pipe with a hole drilled in it


To me,that isnt enough evidence to.send someone to jail,and strengthens calls to ablosh the SCC


Would you be happy,to.get jail for possessing a pipe with hole drilled in it