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FrancieBrady

Nobotty wrote: »

Well if you took the time to read my posts in context instead of taking one out of context you'll know that I'm saying ministers cannot be responsible for coding errors in programmes
So yes you're looking for tit for tat and you can get that elsewhere thanks

Of they can be held responsible if they didn't do the due diligence and testing and these errors would have been caught if they'd done that.

dundalkfc10

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

He does get up the nose of SF’s online army something fierce, Murph. Nasty enough bunch when it comes to Leo’s ethnic background and sexuality. I thought SF were a party dedicated to radical socialism, inclusivity, and a shared future. They might want to tell some of their less intelligent online foot soldiers.

As for this - same as the insurance reform. Just because some SF no mark shouted about it in the Dáil, or put forward some badly written piece of proposed legislation doesn’t mean no one else can do anything about it.

Think a fair few SF supporters are getting confused about this sort of thing. Not sure they really get how legislation is formed or how the organs of the State work. Of course SF don’t actually recognise most of the structures of the Irish Republic so you wouldn’t expect them to be doing anything to educate their online army. We aren’t dealing with particularly intelligent people for the most part. High levels of gullibility.

Ah the auld default setting. SF this, SF that

The current situation all these students face, has nothing to do with SF. Its all on FF/FG and The Greens.

Will Norma be in the Dail at 1.30 or will she walk before it?

Nobotty

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Of they can be held responsible if they didn't do the due diligence and testing and these errors would have been caught if they'd done that.

Are you suggesting the two civil servants at yesterday's presser were lying?

FrancieBrady

Nobotty wrote: »

Are you suggesting the two civil servants at yesterday's presser were lying?

I am suggesting that 'if they didn't do the due diligence and testing they are 'responsible' and these errors would have been caught if they'd done that.'


I didn't listen to the two civil servants, did they say the software had been tested with the due diligence?

blanch152

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

He does get up the nose of SF’s online army something fierce, Murph. Nasty enough bunch when it comes to Leo’s ethnic background and sexuality. I thought SF were a party dedicated to radical socialism, inclusivity, and a shared future. They might want to tell some of their less intelligent online foot soldiers.

As for this - same as the insurance reform. Just because some SF no mark shouted about it in the Dáil, or put forward some badly written piece of proposed legislation doesn’t mean no one else can do anything about it.

Think a fair few SF supporters are getting confused about this sort of thing. Not sure they really get how legislation is formed or how the organs of the State work. Of course SF don’t actually recognise most of the structures of the Irish Republic so you wouldn’t expect them to be doing anything to educate their online army. We aren’t dealing with particularly intelligent people for the most part. High levels of gullibility.

Yurt! wrote: »

Bullsh*t. Simple as.

We have seen many examples of low-level racism and homophobia directed at Leo on here. Not going into it again, but there are some very clear examples and one particularly disgusting one well-known to everyone here. Those posters know who they are.

dundalkfc10

Nobotty wrote: »

Are you suggesting the two civil servants at yesterday's presser were lying?

It wouldnt be the first time a civil servant lied to the country

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

We have seen many examples of low-level racism and homophobia directed at Leo on here. Not going into it again, but there are some very clear examples and one particularly disgusting one well-known to everyone here. Those posters know who they are.

Are you suggesting the mods (and by default the site) tolerate "low level racism and homophobia", assuming you reported it at the time, or (I'm siding with this one tbh) are you just talking through your hoop?

JohnnyFlash

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

It wouldnt be the first time a civil servant lied to the country

You people want to dismantle everything don’t you?

blanch152

McMurphy wrote: »

Are you suggesting the mods tolerate "low level racism and homophobia", or did you not report it at the time, or (I'm siding with this one tbh) are you just talking through your hoop?

The point about low-level racism and homophobia is that it can be denied. You know that, I know that, we all know that, so your post is disingenuous.

Nobotty

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am suggesting that 'if they didn't do the due diligence and testing they are 'responsible' and these errors would have been caught if they'd done that.'


I didn't listen to the two civil servants, did they say the software had been tested with the due diligence?

There was no question asked at all about it yesterday even by the honorable correspondent from the examiner
There was plenty of talk about the testing process that went on related to rechecks
I can't see where you could nail a ministerl on a piece of software doing something never done before and inherited by her predecessor

Is it your standard now that every minister should be sacked if their civil servants (who any teacher will tell you in the education department are ANAL in terms of particulars) make a mistake or their suppliers,ever,?
Because I think there's zero likelihood the process went ahead without the civil servants yesterday sgreeing/recommending

You know that logic would mean Louise o'reilly would have had to resign over the printer as she was on the oireachtas committee overseeing that
And I'm sure you wouldn't want that!

On a side note,the software costs mentioned yesterday if I remember correctly were 2 or 300000 ,which seems very very low
Probably less than the cost of holding the physical exam

There's a lot in this Francie that IMO doesn't make it political football material
Oversight and learning curve material yes.
The other thing I'd say is and again IMO the process has put an awful lot of more people into college than otherwise would be,even before this glitch was discovered
Thats a good thing

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

The point about low-level racism and homophobia is that it can be denied. You know that, I know that, we all know that, so your post is disingenuous.

The poster for whom allegations about one particular party are enough to convict, makes an allegation.

FrancieBrady

Nobotty wrote: »

There was no question asked at all about it yesterday even by the honorable correspondent from the examiner
There was plenty of talk about the testing process that went on related to rechecks
I can't see where you could nail a ministerl on a piece of software doing something never done before and inherited by her predecessor

Is it your standard now that every minister should be sacked if their civil servants (who any teacher will tell you in the education department are ANAL in terms of particulars) make a mistake or their suppliers,ever,?
Because I think there's zero likelihood the process went ahead without the civil servants yesterday sgreeing/recommending

You know that logic would mean Louise o'reilly would have had to resign over the printer as she was on the oireachtas committee overseeing that
And I'm sure you wouldn't want that!

On a side note,the software costs mentioned yesterday if I remember correctly were 2 or 300000 ,which seems very very low
Probably less than the cost of holding the physical exam

There's a lot in this Francie that IMO doesn't make it political football material
Oversight and learning curve material yes.
The other thing I'd say is and again IMO the process has put an awful lot of more people into college than otherwise would be,even before this glitch was discovered
Thats a good thing

Jesus Christ. :eek:

That is some stretch to defend there.

Nobotty

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Jesus Christ. :eek:

That is some stretch to defend there.

Not really,the grades are up what 4%
Extra places were already added and now it looks like more are being added and the people who would not be in their courses now because others would have stripped them of their place get to stay along with 1000's of new folk
That all adds up to the part you bolded

Floppybits

blanch152 wrote: »

We have seen many examples of low-level racism and homophobia directed at Leo on here. Not going into it again, but there are some very clear examples and one particularly disgusting one well-known to everyone here. Those posters know who they are.

I hope you reported this to the Mods and that the Mods acted upon it.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The poster for whom allegations about one particular party are enough to convict, makes an allegation.

As I said, it is well-known and the posters know who they are. Enough said.

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

The point about low-level racism and homophobia is that it can be denied. You know that, I know that, we all know that, so your post is disingenuous.

Load of scutter, you know it and I know it, I've seen thinly veiled homophobic/racist posts on here being rightfully sanctioned, and called out by most right thinking posters regardless of their political persuasion.

It's becoming too familiar now just to try and shout someone down with "homophobic/racist" faux accusations just because they tear your arguments to shreds.

If you feel there's ample examples of "low level homophobic and racist" posts not being adequately dealt with you should really open a feedback thread imo.

But you won't. And we know why.

Floppybits

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am suggesting that 'if they didn't do the due diligence and testing they are 'responsible' and these errors would have been caught if they'd done that.'


I didn't listen to the two civil servants, did they say the software had been tested with the due diligence?

They will need to explain who the mistake was made in the code to really understand where the failure occurred. If it was a developer mistake that they simply misread the requirements and coded it wrong, it happens all the time but is caught in testing and usually sent back to the developer to correct and it is retested, so if this was the case why not caught in testing. Then this could come down to the testing and the samples they were using.

Another scenario that is much more serious is that the requirements that were sent to the developer were incorrectly captured and the developer developed the code as per the requirements. If this is the case then it will need to be asked who captured the requirements, where the requirements checked and signed off by the department before they were sent to the developer, if so why was this error not caught then which would then suggest a lack of due diligence on the department, if this is the case then the company that developed the application cannot be held responsible.

Yurt2

This is grade-A horsesh*t from the B.O.Ts. As I said before, there is nothing they wont stoop to.

Concocting things, abusing posters and then feeling sorry for themselves. Idiots to a man.

Floppybits

Yurt! wrote: »

This is grade-A horsesh*t from the B.O.Ts. As I said before, there is nothing they wont stoop to.

Concocting things, abusing posters and then feeling sorry for themselves. Idiots to a man.

I wondering if this an attempt by a certain poster to send the discussion off in a different direction to deflect discussion on the current Leaving Cert debacle.

As I said earlier if there was any sort of homophobic or racist posts by an poster on this thread then I would expect that these would have been reported and would have been acted upon by the Moderator. Also there is no such thing as low level racism, racism is racism and should be reported and dealt with.

christy c

The only thing I recall that could possibly be interpreted as homophobic is the person using Varadkar's partner's name as their username. I personally don't think it was homophobic, more an obsession with Leo/FG. Don't recall any racism.

While the SF fans post plenty of gibberish, they have not been racist or homophobic in my experience.

EmmetSpiceland

Yurt! wrote: »

This is grade-A horsesh*t from the B.O.Ts. As I said before, there is nothing they wont stoop to.

Concocting things, abusing posters and then feeling sorry for themselves. Idiots to a man.

What’s a B.O.Ts., Y?

FrancieBrady

christy c wrote: »

The only thing I recall that could possibly be interpreted as homophobic is the person using Varadkar's partner's name as their username. I personally don't think it was homophobic, more an obsession with Leo/FG. Don't recall any racism.

While the SF fans post plenty of gibberish, they have not been racist or homophobic in my experience.

True christy c.

If somebody called themselves 'Mary Martin', that wouldn't make them misogynistic.

christy c

FrancieBrady wrote: »

True christy c.

If somebody called themselves 'Mary Martin', that wouldn't make them misogynistic.

Agreed, slightly weird though IMO

dundalkfc10

Nobotty wrote: »

Not really,the grades are up what 4%
Extra places were already added and now it looks like more are being added and the people who would not be in their courses now because others would have stripped them of their place get to stay along with 1000's of new folk
That all adds up to the part you bolded

Sure its all grand so.

Dont worry about the mental health and financial difficulties this has faced parents and kids.

Nora for Michael Martins job, A fine few months for her

PommieBast

Bishop of hope wrote: »

A mistake was made in the grading system and it has been spotted, internally, and the process is underway to sort it.
I'd be waiting to see how the affected student fare out after this.

Ireland basically did a carbon copy of what the UK did, complete with all the mistakes.



There will be an inevitable uptick in the flunk rate. Universities have now crossed the Rubicon of accepting grades that may as well have been made up, so in the longer term the first year is going to have to change from one long pub crawl to an actual filter of who can and cannot hack their courses.

Nobotty

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Sure its all grand so.

Dont worry about the mental health and financial difficulties this has faced parents and kids.

I'd say now ,being told you're confirmed in your course or that you're getting the one you want would improve mental Health not the other way round

Truthvader

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Sure its all grand so.

Dont worry about the mental health and financial difficulties this has faced parents and kids.

Nora for Michael Martins job, A fine few months for her

Heartening to see such concern for the mental health of children from supporters of same people who crippled so many children in punishment beatings. As usual no real concern for ayone but a sickly delight in something going wrong for the government

FrancieBrady

Nobotty wrote: »

Not really,the grades are up what 4%
Extra places were already added and now it looks like more are being added and the people who would not be in their courses now because others would have stripped them of their place get to stay along with 1000's of new folk
That all adds up to the part you bolded

And no minus for the absolute ****show of an ordeal they have been put through since the start of their year?

On top of Covid I mean...dithering and blunderbuss management of the department culminating in this.

James Brown

Nobotty wrote: »

Well if you took the time to read my posts in context instead of taking one out of context you'll know that I'm saying ministers cannot be responsible for coding errors in programmes
So yes you're looking for tit for tat and you can get that elsewhere thanks

Ministers are responsible for any errors on policies, campaigns or actions they didn't do due diligence on or went awry in some way due to their incompetence or lackluster performance.
FYI: what the department or education does or does not manage well is on the minister and broader government. Thats how it works.
I'm disagreeing with your take that they are not because coding played a role. That's a cop out.

We've a year lost for students. Thats on the department of education and its minister.

Nobotty

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And no minus for the absolute ****show of an ordeal they have been put through since the start of their year?

On top of Covid I mean...dithering and blunderbuss management of the department culminating in this.

Their ordeal though for the last year has nothing to do with this glitch
The glitch has actually worked in their favour
The student doing biomedical science on morning Ireland this morning who said they'd now qualify for medicine was actually delighted