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Brendan Bendar

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The IRA disappeared, tortured, mutilated, shot, and blew up innocent women and children. They also protected nonces and rapists within their ranks. They don’t really get to have a say in these things.

John, you won’t get these lads and their fellow travelers to acknowledge any of that.

They will of course ignore that and concentrate on disrupting genuine people doing genuine jobs.

James Brown

Floppybits wrote: »

No they are not defending instead they are ignoring it or brushing it under the carpet.

Also why is it assumed that anyone who criticises the government is a SF supporter?

Also why is that the when the government is criticised that the posters like yourself, Truthevader and Blanch keep throwing out the Leo Varadkar pathetic tactic of "But SF", why not give the reasons why their decisions should be supported?

Because there's no point in commenting on the quality of custard in the pies the FF/FG/Greens keep lobbing back and forth on a daily basis.
Best to deflect.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

John, you won’t get these lads and their fellow travelers to acknowledge any of that.

They will of course ignore that and concentrate on disrupting genuine people doing genuine jobs.

Johnny or yourself cannot get anyone to bite Brendan on a thread about the cirrent government. Maybe try a relevant thread or the history forum?


WHat do you think of the government proposing to go against NPHET?

Truthvader

Floppybits wrote: »

There ya go again but SF. I have not seen one post from you where you give the reasons for supporting the government position. You are nothing but a WUM and have no intention of the trying to defend the government, I would have more respect for you if you did, instead you, Johnny, Blanch and Varadkar have all become laughing stocks.

I don't support or vote SF but I also do not support FF and FG as they are not about what is good for the country they are only about what is good for themselves. So be careful who you are labelling a SF supporter, there are many out there similar to me who disillusioned with the state of politics in this country and what we are seeing going on. It is is the likes of You, Johnny and Blanch that are turning more and more people against FF and FG and driving us to look at other parties.

No idea what "wum" is . If you read back over the threads you will see that most are responding to shinnerbots efforts to re-write history

Anyway always glad to help. What government policy would you like me to defend?

Imagine if I agreed with you.

James Brown

Truthvader wrote: »

No idea what "wum" is . If you read back over the threads you will see that most are responding to shinnerbots efforts to re-write history

Anyway always glad to help. What government policy would you like me to defend?

Imagine if I agreed with you.

An often revisionist history you raise to derail the thread(s).

Try talking on current events so?

Truthvader

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's disgraceful exploitation of victims and selective. It's been going on here for years. Mind you don't go off the official list though, there is a hierarchy!

Francie struggles to reach the high moral ground he pretends to despise but weighed down by the baggage of murder and thuggery slides down once more into the swamp

James Brown

Truthvader wrote: »

Francie struggles to reach the high moral ground he pretends to despise but weighed down by the baggage of murder and thuggery slides down once more into the swamp

There you go again.
*yawn*

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Johnny or yourself cannot get anyone to bite Brendan on a thread about the cirrent government. Maybe try a relevant thread or the history forum?


WHat do you think of the government proposing to go against NPHET?

Getting people to ‘bite’ is not my intention Mr B.

I have no information of the govt. proposing to go against NPHET.


Soz lad.

FrancieBrady

Truthvader wrote: »

Francie struggles to reach the high moral ground he pretends to despise but weighed down by the baggage of murder and thuggery slides down once more into the swamp

I'm not the one with the selective list to be taken out when your argument is in trouble.

it's obscene carry on and you all should be ashamed of it.
I have accepted that over 3000 people died needlessly because two governments hadn't the sense of responsibility to intervene as they were forced to do in the end.
There was nothing stopping doing that in the beginning except all the traits you display. A stubborn and cold brutal belief that only your way is the right way. The essence of the Unionist sectarian bigoted state.

Floppybits

Truthvader wrote: »

No idea what "wum" is . If you read back over the threads you will see that most are responding to shinnerbots efforts to re-write history

Anyway always glad to help. What government policy would you like me to defend?

Imagine if I agreed with you.

You know what a WUM is, I am sure you are not that stupid. As your mate Blanch is found of saying you can google it.

Lets go for something relevant then, Defend the governments inaction in increasing capacity in ICU wards to cope with Covid cases? Like I said earlier they wasted the previous lockdown when they should have used that time to see where capacity needs to be increased and should have had guidelines in place to allow businesses and schools put in place the procedures that would be needed to open up. Instead nothing was done in hospitals, each school was left to fend for itself in terms and as for businesses they were left swinging. Look at the hand flapping there was on face masks, this was simple easy decision that could have been made even before lockdown to say they were mandatory indoors and on all public transport, but instead we had some wishy washy claptrap from Varadkar and Harris.

That's just for starters, when you defend that then we can discuss how the Care homes were left swinging, the governments action on homelessness.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Getting people to ‘bite’ is not my intention Mr B.

I have no information of the govt. proposing to go against NPHET.


Soz lad.

Maybe a government thread is not for you den, lad.

dundalkfc10

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Getting people to ‘bite’ is not my intention Mr B.

I have no information of the govt. proposing to go against NPHET.


Soz lad.

Of course you dont, you spend more time talking about Irelands biggest party than FF/FG who are in Govt.

What will they do now when all this goes ****ed up, can't blame NPHET, only ones to blame themselves or prob Sinn Féin

dundalkfc10

For 6 months Leo and Mícheál: NHEPT are the experts we need to do what they said

5 October Mícheál and Leo: **** NHEPT we know better

We need some explaining and not a statement a press conference followed by a grilling the Dáil. They can't hide away now

Floppybits

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

For 6 months Leo and Mícheál: NHEPT are the experts we need to do what they said

5 October Mícheál and Leo: **** NHEPT we know better

We need some explaining and not a statement a press conference followed by a grilling the Dáil. They can't hide away now

No point in questions in the Dail FF and FG have turned that into a joke shop with their carry on. Then again it does expose them when they refuse to answer questions.

FrancieBrady

Floppybits wrote: »

No point in questions in the Dail FF and FG have turned that into a joke shop with their carry on. Then again it does expose them when they refuse to answer questions.

Yep...every question that puts them under pressure and it's a rant about the Shinners. Much like blanch's post directly after your's

rattled.com

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Maybe a government thread is not for you den, lad.

I deal in facts MrB.

Do you think I am some kind of idiot who would spaff out opinion on hypothetical information.

You see, Mr B, the ‘up the RÁ’ dude down in Waaaherford can say what he likes, those in control have to balance the pros and cons of how events could work out.

I’m afraid Mr B, you must think folk are thickies if you think they will react to that fcukkerry ......:D

blanch152

Floppybits wrote: »

You know what a WUM is, I am sure you are not that stupid. As your mate Blanch is found of saying you can google it.

Lets go for something relevant then, Defend the governments inaction in increasing capacity in ICU wards to cope with Covid cases? Like I said earlier they wasted the previous lockdown when they should have used that time to see where capacity needs to be increased and should have had guidelines in place to allow businesses and schools put in place the procedures that would be needed to open up. Instead nothing was done in hospitals, each school was left to fend for itself in terms and as for businesses they were left swinging. Look at the hand flapping there was on face masks, this was simple easy decision that could have been made even before lockdown to say they were mandatory indoors and on all public transport, but instead we had some wishy washy claptrap from Varadkar and Harris.

That's just for starters, when you defend that then we can discuss how the Care homes were left swinging, the governments action on homelessness.

I think people need to realise that we are in a pandemic, an unforseeable once-in-a-century event. Every government will make mistakes, every government will fail.

Any of us can rant after the fact that something else should have or could have been done, without any regard for the resources or the practicality of doing so. All of the SF acolytes on here have done that to some degree or other during the last few months.

So the best thing to do is to compare with other countries as to how they are doing (easiest comparison is with the other country on this island) and also to analyse what the opposition says and see whether they would or could do better through constructive suggestions.

Looked at through that lens, despite all the mistakes, this government fares relatively well. Like all governments, they have got some things wrong, maybe even a lot of things, but relatively speaking both our economy and our health are doing better than our neighbours. That is some achievement.

As for the opposition, look at the pathetic rabble that they are. Sinn Fein are one week calling for the pubs to open while the following week they are screaming about Level 5 not being enforced. No credibility at all. There is an opposition somewhere in Labour or the SDs but they seem too bitter at the moment to let it out. As for the rest of the socialist alphabet soup, one lot are dealing with child abuse allegations, but none of us are sure which one that is, and one of the heroes of the rest of them - Ming - is tweeting about politicians arses.

We are stuck with this government, because there is none better available, and when you look at the big stats, the case rates, the economy, the death rates, they are doing relatively well especially compared to some of the disasters around us, including our nearest neighbours up North where the rate of infection this week is around three times ours.

Schools are working well, I'm involved in three of them, and difficult times but they are managing. Ditto third-level. The problem in care homes is staff bringing it in and careless practices by managers and owners. Homelessness numbers are still going down the last I checked.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/1002/1169029-third-quarter-exchequer-figures/

"The Government continued to collect more tax than it had expected early in the coronavirus pandemic in September, beating forecasts for the fifth month in a row to keep the year-on-year decline in the overall tax take to 3% so far this year."

Too many people in this pandemic are running around like headless chickens, instead of pausing to look at some of the facts.

dundalkfc10

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, David Cullinane found it very confusing, a man of little brain as Pooh might say, I am sure he is worried about how he is going to explain to Michelle what she should do next.

Hahahaha hahahaha straight away Sinn Féin

You really have issues, Do you fancy Michelle or something? Forever talking about her.

The Govt going against NHEPT has Nothing to do with SF

JohnnyFlash

Jesus, where did they get David Cullinane? Louise O'Reilly is a bit prone to Pearse Doherty levels of vein-popping fake indignation and outrage, but at least she's able to make a coherent point. Is he really the best they have for what is now the most important opposition spokesperson?

dundalkfc10

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Jesus, where did they get David Cullinane? Louise O'Reilly is a bit prone to Pearse Doherty levels of vein-popping fake indignation and outrage, but at least she's able to make a coherent point. Is he really the best they have for what is now the most important opposition spokesperson?

This is the Govt thread

Beasty

Report any posts you have a problem with and leave the modding to the mods

dundalkfc10

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I fear you are uninformed on what a discussion is, effendi.

By your ‘evaluation’ a discussion at the dispatch box in Westminster, the PM would have stand up and not refer to the oppositions record.

You need to stop deflecting, sahib.

Your not in discussions, anytime someone questions the Govt (3 parties named in the title) you and your mates bring up Sinn Féin. Every single time

Truthvader

Floppybits wrote: »

You know what a WUM is, I am sure you are not that stupid. As your mate Blanch is found of saying you can google it.

Lets go for something relevant then, Defend the governments inaction in increasing capacity in ICU wards to cope with Covid cases? Like I said earlier they wasted the previous lockdown when they should have used that time to see where capacity needs to be increased and should have had guidelines in place to allow businesses and schools put in place the procedures that would be needed to open up. Instead nothing was done in hospitals, each school was left to fend for itself in terms and as for businesses they were left swinging. Look at the hand flapping there was on face masks, this was simple easy decision that could have been made even before lockdown to say they were mandatory indoors and on all public transport, but instead we had some wishy washy claptrap from Varadkar and Harris.

That's just for starters, when you defend that then we can discuss how the Care homes were left swinging, the governments action on homelessness.

Didn't know what a WUM was but googled it. I see down the thread that Blanch has beaten me to it when in comes to the challenge to "defend" the government so not much point in going over it all again

Also it is a bit of an assumption that I am here to "defend the government." Think they are doing OK and seem to be doing their best in very difficult circumstances. Also seem to be doing well by international standards. That much having been said I cannot understand why they are not just following the Nphet advice. Think that is a big mistake but it may be they have to measure economic damage against health risk whereas Nphet just focus on health.

Think Leo and Michael are fundamentally decent people doing their best. The reason why Sinn Fein come up so often is that firstly they are presenting themselves as alternative to the government and I think they are a nest of criminals and incompetents who would be far far worse for the country in every possible way. Secondly they routinely post vile and dishonest allegations which I choose to respond to from time to time.

dundalkfc10

Beasty wrote: »

Report any posts you have a problem with and leave the modding to the mods

Your not doing any modding. Every thread is turned into a SF thread, no matter what question or point is made, the same few are saying what about Sinn Féin every single time, ruins every thread and discussion

dundalkfc10

Truthvader wrote: »

Didn't know what a WUM was but googled it. I see down the thread that Blanch has beaten me to it when in comes to the challenge to "defend" the government so not much point in going over it all again

Also it is a bit of an assumption that I am here to "defend the government." Think they are doing OK and seem to be doing their best in very difficult circumstances. Also seem to be doing well by international standards. That much having been said I cannot understand why they are not just following the Nphet advice. Think that is a big mistake but it may be they have to measure economic damage against health risk whereas Nphet just focus on health.

Think Leo and Michael are fundamentally decent people doing their best. The reason why Sinn Fein come up so often is that firstly they are presenting themselves as alternative to the government and I think they are a nest of criminals and incompetents who would be far far worse for the country in every possible way. Secondly they routinely post vile and dishonest allegations which I choose to respond to from time to time.

So you think they are doing ok but we are still hearing of clusters in Meat Plants. We havnt enough testing and we havnt added enough hospital capacity and we are 6 months more into this

That not counting the front page scandals every 2nd week

Excellent work by the Mafia so far alright

Brendan Bendar

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Your not doing any modding. Every thread is turned into a SF thread, no matter what question or point is made, the same few are saying what about Sinn Féin every single time, ruins every thread and discussion

What do you want on here?

A polemic where everyone loads up and hammers the Govt, and anyone who disagrees and points out the opposition issues is ruining the threads.

That’s not a discussion. That’s not a normal thread.

dundalkfc10

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

What do you want on here?

A polemic where everyone loads up and hammers the Govt, and anyone who disagrees and points out the opposition issues is ruining the threads.

That’s not a discussion. That’s not a normal thread.

What's normal with someone saying, Govt going against advice interesting and the 1st reply back what about Sinn Féin, with no reference to the previous post just a rant to deflect

Bishop of hope

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Your not doing any modding. Every thread is turned into a SF thread, no matter what question or point is made, the same few are saying what about Sinn Féin every single time, ruins every thread and discussion

Don't mess with the beast dd10.
Check the SF threads, see how many times FF/FG/Gs get thrown out by SF supporters.
What goes around sometimes comes around.
But I take your point.

Truthvader

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

So you think they are doing ok but we are still hearing of clusters in Meat Plants. We havnt enough testing and we havnt added enough hospital capacity and we are 6 months more into this

That not counting the front page scandals every 2nd week

Excellent work by the Mafia so far alright

Check my earlier posts on meat plants. Have already said that there is a serious need to carry out a full investigation as to what goes on in meat plants. Been a dodgy industry right back to the credit insurance days and I continue to hear dodgy stories.

As to "FRONT PAGE SCANDALS!" they seem pretty anodyne to me whipped up by twitter and social media fluffers

Happy?????????

Nobotty

Thinking out loud here but if its going to cost another 20 billion in pups and wage subsidies and lost taxes to go to level 5,would it not make more sense to completely take over the private hospitals again and spend a billion or two quadrupling icu bed spaces?
Joined up thinking like,is that not too much to ask?
Isolate the nursing homes from the virus by making them live in for staff for 6 months and give them everything they need
Surely a lot cheaper than a prolonged level 5
It would way more than pay for itself