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    #1502
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    So they have not took nurses home on promise of jobs but never had them and now have left them high and dry (some were never even employed) ?

    They are not paying over odds for use private hospitals, b & bs and hotels for homeless people?


    No they didn't, I never seen we promise everyone a job. I seen a number of these people came home but that was on their own accord. When they applied they had not got the correct paperwork to work in Ireland for a start.


    I can imagine your reaction is some person was hired, didnt have the correct paperwork and someone died due to an error.







    Can you give me more information on how they are paying over the odds? how much over the odds?


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    #1503
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,184 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Could Martin be nudging the door open (again) to dealing with SF if the PfG goes down?

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/martin-ive-no-mandate-speak-sinn-fein-government-formation-1034879

    He has 'no mandate' to do that now, but he get a mandate if his party changes its mind?

    Absolutely. Classic shifting of position language there.


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    #1504
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    "No call in that for people to come home" Thats what you said

    You were wrong again
    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Why bring them home with promise of jobs when they knew they were no jobs

    Look back at your original statement.

    Nobody brought them home with a promise of a job.

    Yes, they looked for people to apply, but they didn't bring them home with a promise of a job.


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    #1505
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    https://www.newstalk.com/news/mcdonald-government-formation-1034749

    Why would they "again" try to form government? when did they try the first time?


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    #1506
    LawBoy2018
    Registered Users Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭LawBoy2018


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    https://www.newstalk.com/news/mcdonald-government-formation-1034749

    Why would they "again" try to form a government? when did they try the first time?

    How would you feel if FF entered into negotiation talks with SF?


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    #1507
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Look back at your original statement.

    Nobody brought them home with a promise of a job.

    Yes, they looked for people to apply, but they didn't bring them home with a promise of a job.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/simon-harris-response-to-hse-recruitment-call-would-warm-your-heart-988987.html

    Read the article, Mr Harris said their would be a role for everybody and some could work remotely


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    #1508
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    LawBoy2018 wrote: »
    How would you feel if FF entered into negotiation talks with SF?

    That would be the end of FF....


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    #1509
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    That would be the end of FF....

    If the Greens say No, its going to happen.


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    #1510
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/simon-harris-response-to-hse-recruitment-call-would-warm-your-heart-988987.html

    Read the article, Mr Harris said their would be a role for everybody and some could work remotely


    I think you need to read the article.


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    #1511
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Wonder how long it will take for the Mean Girls outrage to die down.

    We will probably have a meme about it regularly popping up about once a month to remind us.

    Leo quotes from Mean Girls: cue pages of outrage
    Mary-Lou praises a convicted terrorist and evil man: nothing to see here

    Leo or another FG'er says/does something quite stupid.
    People comment on it.
    Others make out the criticism is over the top and spend all day defending and dismissing it, while claiming it's a non-story :)


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    #1512
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    If the Greens say No, its going to happen.


    Even IF MM wanted to go to SF the rest of the party won't allow it. Simple as that.



    If FF did go to SF it doesn't matter about 13% they will be at 0%.



    No member of FF wants to go near SF.


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    #1513
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    it is possible to acknowledge that both are wrong...

    They also seem to believe these things cancel each other out for some reason.


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    #1514
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,577 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    If the Greens say No, its going to happen.

    Martin will explore the possibility of an FF/FG government propped up by independents first. Varadkar has apparently come out against this but does he want to be seen to be 'forcing' FF into the arms of SF?
    Also, is there a possibility Labour or the SDs might reconsider their position 'in the National Interest' in the event of a Green No?


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    #1515
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Even IF MM wanted to go to SF the rest of the party won't allow it. Simple as that.



    If FF did go to SF it doesn't matter about 13% they will be at 0%.



    No member of FF wants to go near SF.

    What about all the members who came out and said they should talk to SF
    Mayor of Cork Ian Doyle
    John McGuiness TD Carlow/Kilkenny
    Deirdre Kelly

    That's 3 on top of my head

    Now stop making up lies


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    #1516
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Truthvader wrote: »
    No word on what a "staunch Republican" is. Do they know themselves?

    Enda, Simon C. and myself would be in that we would like to see a United Ireland. FF, FG and SF would be parties like minded on that. In fact the state has that desire built into it. So depending on your use/context of the word 'staunch' I would suggest we are all firmly committed to that end?


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    #1517
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    How much over the odds?

    Four times more than the UK government are paying.


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    #1518
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,184 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Shefwedfan wrote: »



    No member of FF wants to go near SF.

    Where's the data on this?

    Several high profile members have no problem with it, why or how could you say what you did?


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    #1519
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Could Martin be nudging the door open (again) to dealing with SF if the PfG goes down?

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/martin-ive-no-mandate-speak-sinn-fein-government-formation-1034879

    He has 'no mandate' to do that now, but he get a mandate if his party changes its mind?

    The whole no plan B is just 'the art of the deal'. You don't go in looking for 'A' while saying, 'but we have a plan B'.


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    #1520
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Bowie wrote: »
    Four times more than the UK government are paying.

    They are paying cost price, which you well know. So unless Irish private hospital beds somehow cost 4 times as much as UK ones this is not true.

    For the umpteenth time, the original source of the "4 times" figure was per occupied bed, not per bed.


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    #1521
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,184 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I wonder will Lorna Bogue's allegations of intimidation within the Green party have much of a bearing on the outcome of their vote.

    Seems to be pitched battles going on in that party.


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    #1522
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    They are paying cost price, which you well know. So unless Irish private hospital beds somehow cost 4 times as much as UK ones this is not true.

    For the umpteenth time, the original source of the "4 times" figure was per occupied bed, not per bed.

    As compared to the UK, Four times more is the answer.


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    #1523
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Where's the data on this?

    Several high profile members have no problem with it, why or how could you say what you did?


    Which high profiles members have said they want to go into government with SF?


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    #1524
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users Posts: 5,792 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Bowie wrote: »
    As compared to the UK, Four times more is the answer.


    Evidence?


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    #1525
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,577 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Which high profiles members have said they want to go into government with SF?

    FF TD calls for party to go into coalition with SF and FG

    Does John McGuinness meet your bar for 'high profile'?


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    #1526
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    FF TD calls for party to go into coalition with SF and FG

    Does John McGuinness meet your bar for 'high profile'?


    So thats one, where is the several?


    Also from reading the article, if you could call it that, he says they need to consider. Is that the best you can come up with?


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    #1527
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    FF TD calls for party to go into coalition with SF and FG

    Does John McGuinness meet your bar for 'high profile'?

    Eamon O'Cuiv, and Pat the Cope Gallagher also if my memory is correct.


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    #1528
    LawBoy2018
    Registered Users Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭LawBoy2018


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Eamon O'Cuiv, and Pat the Cope Gallagher also if my memory is correct.

    Stephen Donnelly seemed to get on rather well with Pearse Doherty last night on Tonight VMTV.


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    #1529
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,285 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Truthvader wrote: »
    No word on what a "staunch Republican" is. Do they know themselves?

    Republicanism, in an Irish context, encompasses the political will for the reunification of Ireland and reiterates the absolute independence of Ireland, alongside a belief that the subjugation of Irish rule on any part of our island is illegitimate.

    I'm sure there are other definitions out there- like to give yours?


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    #1530
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    Bowie wrote: »
    Four times more than the UK government are paying.

    Different Countries. Not like for like.


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    #1531
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 22,009 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    FF TD calls for party to go into coalition with SF and FG

    Does John McGuinness meet your bar for 'high profile'?
    That will never happen.
    Thankfully FG are not going to negotiate with SF.


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