FF/FG/Green Next Government

FrancieBrady

O'Callaghan got nothing?

AndrewJRenko

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

And so they should. Roads need to be maintained and upgraded consistently.

1.8 billion spent on cycling infrastructure has no major impact. Its money down the drain.
Money that could be spent elsewhere. Money that we as a nation dont have.

People will still need to travel from the commuter counties. This goes for all of our cities. Cycling 30km to work and home again on a track beside the motorway. Stop the lights. Can you imagine it. It's not real but if the idea is to get people out of their cars then isn't that where the money should be spent?

You might want to read up on the economic benefits of investment in cycling facilities vs roads.

namloc1980

Bannasidhe wrote: »

FF are already dead party walking.
They struggled on after the catastrophe they caused with light touch regulation and blanket bank bailout. Lost dearly when they agreed to support FG but without taking any responsibility. And now they have demonstrated that they are, indeed, compatible with FG. The 'republican' party got into bed with the 'Free State' party nearly 100 years after the events that caused the original SF split into those 2 ideologically similar but for one small detail factions.
They have left the left of centre republican space free for SF.

FG have out played FF. The pro-Treaty side won again

FF getting stuck with Health and Housing is a masterstroke by FG.

efanton

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The whole country wants a big fancy road for nobody to drive on, look at the limerick to cork road people going on about, the number of people that drive on it are tiny. They have a train line and don’t use it. Put them on the train if they want to commute

The wastage on road is huge and in most cases has now become pointless

Great getting traffic extra quick to Dublin to then sit in a traffic jam

Still making up nonsense I see.

THe N20 is the busiest road outside of Dublin. But lets not have facts get in the way of you story telling shall we. It currently exceeds 120% of its capacity, and carries more traffic than either of the N11, N2, N3, N4.
But if you dont want to build an M20 then lets spend hundreds of millions instead building the bypasses that will have to go ahead anyhow around Charleville, Buttevant, Mallow, and the stretch through Ballybeg that cant be widened or straightened.

Last time I heard we dont transport containers to the ports via rail. How do you think all those containers get to the cargo port in Cork?

If you disagree with me post a link that proves that the amount of traffic on the N20 is tiny. I assume that you are so certain of your 'facts' that you could do that.

flutered

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The whole country wants a big fancy road for nobody to drive on, look at the limerick to cork road people going on about, the number of people that drive on it are tiny. They have a train line and don’t use it. Put them on the train if they want to commute

The wastage on road is huge and in most cases has now become pointless

Great getting traffic extra quick to Dublin to then sit in a traffic jam

the limerick to cork road is over suscribed 120%

Shefwedfan

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

If only everyone would cycle 30 km a day each way to work. Hundreds of thousands of bicycles on a brand new track running parallel to an empty Motorway

A transport system should include
Walking, running, cycling, scooters, cars, motorbikes, trains, buses, airplanes etc etc etc

It seems Irish people get stuck on cars and anyone mentions an alternative you get a similar response to your one

Ireland transport system is not balanced, building another road won’t fix that, it will just compound the error

Shefwedfan

flutered wrote: »

the limerick to cork road is over suscribed 120%

How the limerick to cork train line?

LawBoy2018

namloc1980 wrote: »

FF getting stuck with Health and Housing is a masterstroke by FG.

They're strategical masterminds!

ExMachina1000

namloc1980 wrote: »

Zero benefit to those commuters in Dublin you are so concerned about. Seems to me you're in support of roads spending regardless and against anything else outside of roads. Fair enough but at least be upfront.

If you want to make Dublin more attractive for cyclists you remove the cars. Invest in public transport. But you can only have so many buses for people so remove as many people commuting as possible.

Take athlone for example. Home to some multinational pharma companies. Why are they in Athlone? Theres a motorway beside it. You incentivise companies to set up outside the capital be it with tax breaks or whatever. They wont go anywhere unless there is infrastructure. A decent road network is paramount.

Get companies out of the capital. For a country as small as Ireland decentralisation is necessary.

1.8 billion on cycling infrastructure changes nothing. People still need to commute. Traffic doesn't change. Cyclists in Dublin are still running the gauntlet and its basically misery for everyone

KyussB

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Everybody lied. Everybody's manifesto was unicorns and rainbows. The world has changed utterly since the election. Martin is doing the right thing by going into government in a coalition that will bring the stability this country needs. Especially as Ireland deals with a pandemic, Brexit and an economic crash.

The agreement the parties have made, is to compound the economic crash with austerity in 2-2.5 years...

ExMachina1000

Shefwedfan wrote: »

A transport system should include
Walking, running, cycling, scooters, cars, motorbikes, trains, buses, airplanes etc etc etc

It seems Irish people get stuck on cars and anyone mentions an alternative you get a similar response to your one

Ireland transport system is not balanced, building another road won’t fix that, it will just compound the error

The 1.8 billion isn't for trains, buses or airplanes.

Itssoeasy

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How the limerick to cork train line?

We don't have a direct cork to limerick rail line just so you know. We have a cork to limerick junction to limerick rail line.

KyussB

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

SF promised to build 100,000 council houses over five years at a cost of 6.5 billion. Good intentions just like Martin's good intentions. Had they got into government, that wasn't going to happen. Especially after the pandemic. So that would have been a lie. See how it works?

Why on earth not? We can get the money for that now, at extremely low interest rates ffs - and the economic activity from that, grows our economy/GDP faster, back to a state of recovery - stabilizing Public Debt vs GDP much faster than not doing that...

LawBoy2018

Madigan dropped!

Professor Moriarty

KyussB wrote: »

The agreement the parties have made, is to compound the economic crash with austerity in 2-2.5 years...

The agreement is meaningless. We are economically screwed for years. Austerity won't be a choice as there won't be money to spend. It's about lashing yourself to the mast and hoping the ship doesn't go down.

Shefwedfan

Itssoeasy wrote: »

We don't have a direct cork to limerick rail line just so you know. We have a cork to limerick junction to limerick rail line.

So?

You have a train which connects limerick and cork

Is it over subscribed?

You have more than most of the country has

ExMachina1000

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So?

You have a train which connects limerick and cork

Is it over subscribed?

You have more than most of the country has

Build a motorway. When we do eventually transition to electric cars the infrastructure will be in place.

Also You burn less fuel cruising at speed than starting and stopping all of the time. Less emissions

namloc1980

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So?

You have a train which connects limerick and cork

Is it over subscribed?

You have more than most of the country has

The train from Cork to Limerick via Limerick junction is slower than the rubbish road connecting the two cities. It is not an attractive option at all.

Shefwedfan

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Build a motorway. When we do eventually transition to electric cars the infrastructure will be in place.

Also You burn less fuel cruising at speed than starting and stopping all of the time. Less emissions

Swapping two million combustion with two million Eletric cars is not the answer

Combustion engine cars will still be available to buy on second hand market till at least 2045

ExMachina1000

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Swapping two million combustion with two million Eletric cars is not the answer

Spending 1.8 billion on bicycles is.

The car and the need for the car isn't going anywhere.
Building road network infrastructure is vital to an ever growing country

Professor Moriarty

KyussB wrote: »

Why on earth not? We can get the money for that now, at extremely low interest rates ffs - and the economic activity from that, grows our economy/GDP faster, back to a state of recovery - stabilizing Public Debt vs GDP much faster than not doing that...

So, with Brexit looming, a probable resurgence in a pandemic, a climate crisis just around the corner and the worst global recession since WW2, we should borrow 6.5 billion to build 100,000 houses. Okay.

LawBoy2018

Darragh O'Brien - housing.

Necro

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So?

You have a train which connects limerick and cork

Is it over subscribed?

You have more than most of the country has

If you had ever even once driven from Limerick to Cork or vice versa you'd drop all arguments against the much needed M20. It should have been prioritised decades ago.

Shefwedfan

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Spending 1.8 billion on bicycles is

Sorry but anyone with a basic knowledge of climate change know electric cars are not the answer, they are part of the resolution but not the total solution

namloc1980

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Darragh O'Brien - housing.

Tough gig. Still though anything he does will surely be better than Eoghan Murphy's efforts

Sierra Oscar

namloc1980 wrote: »

Tough gig.

He hasn't been spectacular as Fianna Fáil Housing Spokesperson either. No housing policy produced in four years.

Shefwedfan

Necro wrote: »

If you had ever even once driven from Limerick to Cork or vice versa you'd drop all arguments against the much needed M20. It should have been prioritised decades ago.

I have driven it, I have driven nearly every road in Ireland if not them all.

I have yet to get an answer on the limerick to cork train line?

Shefwedfan

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Ban cars

I refer back to my post about balanced transport system

LawBoy2018

Barry Cowen - Agriculture.

The greyhound industry will be delighted!!

MrMusician18

Haven't seen any mention of where Simon Harris is going?

At a minimum looks like hes getting demoted as hes lost the health portfolio - will he be in the government at all?