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    #2762
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Yes existing, but it shows even without investment it can be done in 1.45 which is similar and safer to a car. With investment that could be 1 hour

    Put in direct trains etc....

    The lack of vision is alarming, are people really this closed minded to change? If it doesn’t involve sitting in a car people seem to have a huge fear factor

    We need both!

    Transportation should never be either/or.
    It should be the best solution for the problem.

    In the case of Limerick-Cork there are 2 problems that require 2 solutions.

    I'm not at all a road obsessive and but if you drove between mallow and Charleville and had the displeasure of Newtwopothouse and Buttevant you'd understand.

    The M20 and the N2/A5 are essential.

    Heavy rail upgrades are essential.

    Metrolink is essential.

    Bus connects is essential.

    Bicycle infrastructure is essential.


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    #2763
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    The lines are connected obviously but not directly. You need to go to limerick junction to get to limerick.

    Well then if you live in either place why the hell are you so stuck on this particular motorway ?

    The railway to navan is already there it's just not used by passengers, it's used for freight.So again making statements that show a lack of understanding. You're asking to open up a line which exist already.

    You don’t need a direct link unless it’s slower than via car, even via limerick junstion it is the same, with a proper service it would be faster

    The limerick to cork road is just a valid discussion point as people want a road when they have alternatives, a train alternative which few in Ireland have

    I know all about Navan, I know it’s not open and a report said 300m to make it available to people. Read the report it was shared on here. So lack of understanding is on your side


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    #2764
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Don't know the name yet but seems to be FF have it. Maybe give it to Stephen Donnelly, he's an expert in everything.

    Donnelly for health alright. That will be interesting. I thought he was poor during election interviews.


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    #2765
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    I wonder if Jim O Callaghan and a few others of the disgruntled will be sharpening the knives. Reported that Anne Rabbitte wasn't looking too happy either leaving the centre.
    Looking forward to the next episode in this series.

    Hopefully. JOC will have the sister on the case now.

    Who got AG?


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    #2766
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,596 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Who is gonna get finance?

    Pascal presumably?


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    #2767
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    We need both!

    Transportation should never be either/or.
    It should be the best solution for the problem.

    In the case of Limerick-Cork there are 2 problems that require 2 solutions.

    I'm not at all a road obsessive and but if you drove between mallow and Charleville and had the displeasure of Newtwopothouse and Buttevant you'd understand.

    The M20 and the N2/A5 are essential.

    Heavy rail upgrades are essential.

    Metrolink is essential.

    Bus connects is essential.

    Bicycle infrastructure is essential.

    Ireland does not have an unlimited budget so it’s either or

    So far roads have always won and we are in a mess, trains should now be answer going forward

    I know the road, take a few cars off it and into train and you will resolve some of the issues


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    #2768
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,583 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Hopefully. JOC will have the sister on the case now.

    Who got AG?

    Heard some Gallager guy mentioned on the radio


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    #2769
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,308 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Who is gonna get finance?

    Pascal presumably?

    Yes. The only choice really.


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    #2770
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Who is the new housing minister?


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    #2771
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Yes. The only choice really.
    It'll be a sort of a double team with McGrath, like with Howlin in 2011 government.


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    #2772
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Who is the new housing minister?

    Darragh O'Brien FF


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    #2773
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,688 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    So FG got

    Finance
    Justice
    Foreign Affairs
    Employment
    Higher Education

    Is that right? They def got the best in that deal


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    #2774
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 40,046 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You don’t need a direct link unless it’s slower than via car, even via limerick junstion it is the same, with a proper service it would be faster

    The limerick to cork road is just a valid discussion point as people want a road when they have alternatives, a train alternative which few in Ireland have

    I know all about Navan, I know it’s not open and a report said 300m to make it available to people. Read the report it was shared on here. So lack of understanding is on your side

    The arrogance is amazing. Lack of understanding is on my side is it ? You said that people want a road where there are alternatives yet myself and others have pointed out the alternatives aren't comparable to a road that is badly needed.


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    #2775
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Darragh O'Brien FF

    Fantastic. Best government ever.


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    #2776
    Truthvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Did anyone suggest it is going to be compulsory?

    With Dublin City Coucil run by Keegan and the Greens in it will be compulsory. Pity all victims of the Green fantasy come Winter. Sure thats politics for you


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    #2777
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    So FG got

    Finance
    Justice
    Foreign Affairs
    Employment
    Higher Education

    Is that right? They def got the best in that deal
    Social Welfare and AG as well. Two of those you listed couldn't really change ministers at present, Finance and Foreign Affairs.


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    #2778
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Who is gonna get finance?

    Pascal presumably?
    Yep, a given at present.


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    #2779
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,308 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Truthvader wrote: »
    With Dublin City Coucil run by Keegan and the Greens in it will be compulsory. Pity all victims of the Green fantasy come Winter. Sure thats politics for you

    So you're telling us that cycling will be compulsory by the end of the year. Christ, that's some delusion.


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    #2780
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Fantastic. Best government ever.
    I'm not of that mind but looking forward to this first rainbow government in 25 years!


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    #2781
    Truthvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    The agreement is meaningless. We are economically screwed for years. Austerity won't be a choice as there won't be money to spend. It's about lashing yourself to the mast and hoping the ship doesn't go down.

    Did you think austerity was a choice? Only in Sinn Fein fatasyland can you just vote for more money


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    #2782
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    KyussB wrote: »
    You never heard of Keyne's? When a country has multiple economic body blows like that - that is exactly when the government needs to spend huge amounts of money, to reflate the economy...It's standard macroeconomics.

    Indeed I have. In fact, I quoted him earlier today on this very thread. The sensible thing to do is to borrow enough money to keep the ship afloat and no more. The idea that we borrow tens of billions just because, you know, houses n stuff is, to say the least very selfish. Ever hear of a deficit? Of a national debt? Of future generations? There's not many in the government, past or present, who agree with you.


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    #2783
    Truthvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    This means Metro is on the shelf for 10 more years because he wants to redesign the whole thing to take it to Tallaght.

    Dont think he as any transport policy over and above taxing and clamping cars


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    #2784
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Ireland does not have an unlimited budget so it’s either or

    So far roads have always won and we are in a mess, trains should now be answer going forward

    I know the road, take a few cars off it and into train and you will resolve some of the issues

    Right. So we shouldn't borrow money at close to 0% interest for infrastructure projects?

    Will we wait til it's more expensive ya reckon?

    Ireland can find money when it wants to.

    Anyway, that's my last on it in this forum. It's like talking about race relations in AH. Pointless.. Stall it over to C&T.


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    #2785
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    As the brand shiny new minister of transport what do you think will be the first major move by Eamonn Ryan


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    #2786
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,217 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    As the brand shiny new minister of transport what do you think will be the first major move by Eamonn Ryan

    Sell the diesel yoke?


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    #2787
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    The arrogance is amazing. Lack of understanding is on my side is it ? You said that people want a road where there are alternatives yet myself and others have pointed out the alternatives aren't comparable to a road that is badly needed.


    You accused me of lack of understanding on the Navan line. When I point out to you that a report is available you accuse me of arrogance?

    https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Navan_Corridor_Study.pdf

    Read the report.

    In regards to the Limerick to Cork, the only issue is the lack of vision.

    Why should we repeat the same mistake multiple times? do you think that is clever?

    So far Ireland has invested billions in roads and has managed to resolve nothing. So your answer is to invest more in roads?


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    #2788
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    As the brand shiny new minister of transport what do you think will be the first major move by Eamonn Ryan


    Who got Environment?


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    #2789
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    As the brand shiny new minister of transport what do you think will be the first major move by Eamonn Ryan

    Stop Metrolink.


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    #2790
    Truthvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Didn't bicycles just get more expensive to absorb the BTW subsidy when it was introduced?

    Yep, same thing happened back in the day with first time buyer grants for houses


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    #2791
    touts
    Registered Users Posts: 6,505 ✭✭✭touts


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Stop Metrolink.

    The Dublin Metro has to be in serious question now. In the Post Covid World with remote working and only essential travel there is no demand for a metro to bring people from an empty airport to empty office blocks in the ifsc.

    The greens can get far more of their projects in place by killing that project and diverting it into bus services, cycle lanes etc.


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