George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck [Part 2] (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

Justin Credible Darts

silverharp wrote: »

in the age of camera phones and there is no photo? im going to guess this story just quietly goes away

since when have some people with an agenda let things like proof get in the way of an agenda.


As you said, not one photo yet people act like this is some proven fact.

Overheal

silverharp wrote: »

in the age of camera phones and there is no photo? im going to guess this story just quietly goes away

The garages are secure facilities, it was identified by a crew member and authorities took over. No gawkers to spread it.

Overheal

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

since when have some people with an agenda let things like proof get in the way of an agenda.


As you said, not one photo yet people act like this is some proven fact.

NASCAR seems to think it is, hence why they involved the FBI and stated so their outrage publicly at the incident, even though such an incident stands to damage their reputation. The FBI sure hasn’t called it a hoax.

Galwayguy35

Foxtrol wrote: »

It is very telling that you have repeatedly shown more compassion to the man caught on tape involved in the murder than either the victim or a woman who was showing her disgust at the murder.

The one in the video was an idiot harassing someone who in the eyes of the law is still innocent but a BLM supporter like yourself just refuses to acknowledge that.

silverharp

Overheal wrote: »

NASCAR seems to think it is, hence why they involved the FBI and stated so their outrage publicly at the incident, even though such an incident stands to damage their reputation. The FBI sure hasn’t called it a hoax.

Ill check back in a week

MeMen2_MoRi_

silverharp wrote: »

I typed in Noose and was hoping nobody would be taken in by this, as most of these stories tend to be fake for one reason or another

99% chance this is a garage cord with a loop at the end for ease :pac:

https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1275305809832849408

Skipped back about 30 tweets or something, the only ones he's crying about not exposing the noose hoax is the liberal media, seems legit, he should absolutely be listened to, no doubt it's all a big deep state backed false flag..

Also the circumstances of the fake ones are a bit different, people not understanding what they're seeing versus I'm guessing people who frequently are in and around these garages?? Who knows, let's see it play out!

Foxtrol

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The one in the video was an idiot harassing someone who in the eyes of the law is still innocent but a BLM supporter like yourself just refuses to acknowledge that.

No potential technicality of an unfair legal system will change those facts in George Floyd's murder and that officer's involvement, nor that millions of people will forever know him for and will hopefully treat him like that woman.

One of the fundamental reasons why people have been protesting for nearly a month is due to the law being designed to let cops walk free when they murder citizens. Thankfully the protests have already been very successful and changed numerous laws, with plenty more changes to come.

Galwayguy35

Foxtrol wrote: »

No potential technicality of an unfair legal system will change those facts in George Floyd's murder and that officer's involvement, nor that millions of people will forever know him for and will hopefully treat him like that woman.

One of the fundamental reasons why people have been protesting for nearly a month is due to the law being designed to let cops walk free when they murder citizens. Thankfully the protests have already been very successful and changed numerous laws, with plenty more changes to come.

So you want the guy to be hounded by the internet mob for the rest of his life even after he has paid his debt to society?


He didn't step in to stop what was happening and the reasons for that will come out during the trial but its not right to make the rest of his life a misery.

If you think it is then shouldn't the woman who was held up at gunpoint by Floyd and his accomplices have the same right?

Foxtrol

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

So you want the guy to be hounded by the internet mob for the rest of his life even after he has paid his debt to society?

He didn't step in to stop what was happening and the reasons for that will come out during the trial but its not right to make the rest of his life a misery.

If you think it is then shouldn't the woman who was held up at gunpoint by Floyd and his accomplices have the same right?

Walking free due to a technicality or an legal system designed to make it nearly impossible to hold police accountable is not 'paying his debt to society'.

If he serves significant time, like the time a group of black men would serve if there was a video of them choking a cop to death, I'm ok with him moving on with his life.

I can guarantee you if a guy had been part of a group that did that to a cop he wouldnt be out on bail.

Carfacemandog

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

If you think it is then shouldn't the woman who was held up at gunpoint by Floyd and his accomplices have the same right?

The right to do what, shout at George Floyds corpse?

silverharp

wont need that week after all lol

https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1275543057325264896

Overheal

silverharp wrote: »

wont need that week after all lol

https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1275543057325264896

So was it just on the one door?

Foxtrol

silverharp wrote: »

wont need that week after all lol

https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1275543057325264896

Glad it turned out to not be a targeted thing.

Maybe it would be best if everyone waits for an investigation to be concluded before going public with this stuff.

https://twitter.com/JamesSurowiecki/status/1275130328810733568?s=20

Manic Moran

Foxtrol wrote: »

What you said:

What Zimmerman did:

Annoy a kid minding their own business
Approach with gun
When the kid gets scared and takes off, chase and open fire!

I seem to recall the evidence pointed to a physical confrontation, not a chase.

Tell me how

Manic Moran wrote: »

I seem to recall the evidence pointed to a physical confrontation, not a chase.

From Wiki (Bold is mine)

At an unverified time, Martin walks from the home where he is staying to a nearby 7-Eleven.[6]
6:24:18 PM — As shown by a store CCTV, Martin purchases a bag of Skittles and an AriZona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail (often described in media and at protests as AriZona iced tea.)[7][8][9][10][11]
6:54 – 7:12 — Martin has an 18-minute cell phone call with a girl reported to be his girlfriend. The call gets disconnected.[10][12]
7:09:34 – 7:13:41 — George Zimmerman calls the Sanford Police Department (SPD) from his truck; total time of the call is 4 minutes 7 seconds.[13]
7:11:33 — Zimmerman tells the police dispatcher that Martin is running.
7:11:59 — In reply to the dispatcher's question, "Are you following him?" Zimmerman responds with, "Yes." Dispatcher: "OK, we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman: "OK."
7:12:00 – 7:12:59 — The girl calls Martin again at some point during this minute.[14]
7:13:10 — Zimmerman says he does not know Martin's location.
7:13:41 — The end of Zimmerman's call to Sanford police.[14]
7:16:00 – 7:16:59 — Martin's call from the girl goes dead during this minute.[14][15] [the precise time surfaced during the trial, the call ends at 7:15:43, 1 minute and 12 seconds before the shot.]
7:16:11 — First 9-1-1 call from witness about a fight, calls for help heard.[16]
7:16:55 — Gunshot heard on 9-1-1 call.[17]

Manic Moran

Tell me how wrote: »

From Wiki (Bold is mine)

That wasn't why shots were fired, though. The physical confrontation which followed [17:16:11] is the justification relied on for self defense.

Tell me how

Manic Moran wrote: »

That wasn't why shots were fired, though. The physical confrontation which followed [17:16:11] is the justification relied on for self defense.

I suppose that's the crux of it.

Those that feel Zimmermans behaviour was unacceptable would say that his best option for self defense would have been to not seek to stay involved as he did do.

He had called the police, they had told him not to follow Martyn.

silverharp

Don Lemon aint buying what he is selling, thia guy is a clown

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1275631112551903238

Galwayguy35

Foxtrol wrote: »

Walking free due to a technicality or an legal system designed to make it nearly impossible to hold police accountable is not 'paying his debt to society'.

If he serves significant time, like the time a group of black men would serve if there was a video of them choking a cop to death, I'm ok with him moving on with his life.

I can guarantee you if a guy had been part of a group that did that to a cop he wouldnt be out on bail.

Once again you're getting outraged about a trial that hasn't happened yet, although he might get off on a technicality as you say if people keep harassing him and accusing him of things he never during the incident.

Galwayguy35

Carfacemandog wrote: »

The right to do what, shout at George Floyds corpse?

Obviously the scenario I was describing would have been after he and his buddies robbed the woman, did you really need this explained to you?

biko

The difference between Bubba and Jussie Smollett, is that I think Bubba saw the garage door pull-noose and
in these times of heightened racial tension made an honest mistake.

Jussie premeditated a hate crime faux attack.

Unfortunately for both they will be known for their mistake/crime.

MeMen2_MoRi_

Not my words..

"People are jumping all over the driver like he made up some allegations.
They should know that Bubba Wallace was scheduled to move into that garage but hadn't seen it yet. In fact, no one on his team had seen it yet and they didn't report it at all.
Whoever did report it did so for good reason and the fact that the investigation bore no evidence of wrongdoing isn't a reason to blast the investigation.

Everyone did their jobs the way they were supposed to and this is the best possible outcome."

https://mobile.twitter.com/Josh_Moon/status/1275552313491546115

https://mobile.twitter.com/Josh_Moon/status/1275552313491546115

silverharp

its one of those situations where you have to check your filter in reality ? if you got riled up because of this check your filter, if you were highly sceptical, good job.
For the next few months for the sake of your sanity assume most controversial news is fake , exaggerated, lacking context and if there is video that will be a lie too because it will be edited to leave out context and you wont know the motives of the person taking the video or what preceded the video.

MeMen2_MoRi_

Who's to blame for the sh!t show? The person that mistook the door pull as a symbol of racism, NASCAR for not doing a bit more investigating before calling in the FBI, bubba being the face of BLM in NASCAR/getting the confederate flag removed from NASCAR tracks, the media for reporting on it.

Carfacemandog

biko wrote: »

The difference between Bubba and Jussie Smollett, is that I think Bubba saw the garage door pull-noose and
in these times of heightened racial tension made an honest mistake.

Jussie premeditated a hate crime faux attack.

Unfortunately for both they will be known for their mistake/crime.

That's my take on it too. It was good to see NASCAR look to take it seriously right off the bat (coupled with their recent moves like banning of confederate flags - NASCAR typically being very much more part of the republican/southern/etc culture so it was a bolder step than say, the NFL or soccer leagues to take), but also looks to be a lot of nothing... which is also a good thing.

Smollett on the other hand deserves prison time and possibly to have his head examined about the stunt he pulled. A judge made a big ruling against him claiming double jeopardy on his false police report charges only about two weeks ago, which is good. What he did was scummy not only against the general public and any people whose lives could have been incorrectly ruined by being sentenced for this (or even just accused/suspected of it), but also actual victim of hate crimes who might not get taken as seriously as a result. He's a detestable as*hole.

Foxtrol

biko wrote: »

The difference between Bubba and Jussie Smollett, is that I think Bubba saw the garage door pull-noose and
in these times of heightened racial tension made an honest mistake.

Jussie premeditated a hate crime faux attack.

Unfortunately for both they will be known for their mistake/crime.

The difference is that Bubba had nothing to do with it. Bubba didn't see nor report the noose.

The only people who are blaming Bubba are ones that are either misinformed on the facts or have an agenda.

MeMen2_MoRi_

"The chief called Floyd’s May 25 death a murder.

“The officers knew what was happening — one intentionally caused it and the others failed to prevent it,” he said. “This was murder — it wasn’t a lack of training.”

https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-death/derek-chauvin-knew-what-he-was-doing-when-he-kneeled-on-george-floyds-neck-says-police-chief/

Think the 29th is the first court date on this iirc.

Also a side note on the amaud arbery case, the 3 involved are facing 9 counts.

https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/live-trials-current/ahmaud-arbery/georgia-grand-jury-indicts-three-men-of-nine-counts-each-in-death-of-ahmaud-arbery/

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2u2me

Foxtrol wrote: »

The only people who are blaming Bubba are ones that are either misinformed on the facts or have an agenda.

The blame rests with the media. Media consumed by people shouting about that story for the last week.

briany

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Except it's a load of codswallop, and black people aren't anywhere near discriminated against and persecuted like those groups.

The optics of this are the most important thing. The main complaint appears to be that there is systemic discrimination against black people in the USA. It doesn't appear to happen at anything like the severity level of Israel/Palestine IMO, but at the same time it's something that has never been resolved. And we're currently in a time where BLM may never find more sympathy worldwide, so if there's any time to go and make a formal international declaration that black people in the US are an unjustly oppressed minority, it would be now.

And this would potentially have more effect than a round of applause from those in attendance. The U.S. posits itself as an exporter of liberty and equality, and it suits the U.S. to be known so, and they need to continue to remain so in order to maintain cooperation with their foreign policy. That may not be so easy if you can lastingly undermine the idea of them being truly about freedom and equality in the minds of the international community.