Meanwhile in Dijon, France

ShatterAlan

Deleted User wrote: »

Chechens are caucasian.

Big deal. Change skin colour for "ethnicity" then.

ShatterAlan

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Big deal. Change skin colour for "ethnicity" then.

Its obvioulsy a big deal to you

ShatterAlan

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

I agree with this. Integration of different races is not practical unless we resort to the use of extreme measures like cultural re-education camps, and nobody really wants that.

That's why immigration of peoples who are ethnically dissimilar from the host population will only lead to strife and division.

The people who blab on about "integration" secretly distrust and dislike foreign cultures, that's why they are so hellbent on trying to erase them in the name of "fitting in".


I used to have a small apartment in Morocco. When I visited nobody forced me to pray 5 times a day. Nobody forced me to wear a jalabad or for my girlfriend to veil up. I could go to the bar and drink a load of beer and nobody frowned on it. I wasn't exactly integrating into Moroccan society. I just did my own thing. Certainly didn't speak and Arabic or Berber but could get by with French.


The very people who bitch about "integration" are the same kind of slobs who'd set up camp with the expats in the Costa, go to the Crown Pub for a Sunday roast or full Irish/English, wouldn't learn a lick of Spanish and would treat the natives as foreigners, calling them Manuel and slagging them off for not speaking English.

ShatterAlan

Deleted User wrote: »

Integrating means speaking our language,being involved in our community,pay taxes like anyone else and following the law like anyone else.
Not living in a ghetto,speak their own language and making their own laws and live of the state.
You notice the difference?

That's not fcuking integration. That's people like you trying to control others, erase their identity and cow them.


What if they don't want or need to learn the language as they have no interaction with native people? Why should someone get involved in the community if they don't want to? If they just want to be left alone to live their own life in their own little corner? Are you going to deport Shabnab because she doesn't want to go to the fcuking ladies' community bingo night?


You are trying to say that anyone who doesn't abide by your diktats and follows YOUR rules is a criminal sponger who lives in a ghetto.


As long as people don't break the law and / or cause suffering to others then who cares what else they do? What's it to you if they don't learn the language or learn just enough to get by.

If Mustapha wants to go to the mosque or Srikan wants to go to the Hindu temple or Minh wants to go to the Buddhist shrine, what damn business is that of yours?
It's not enough that they obey the law and work and pay taxes. You want to fcuk with them because you don't want them to be be different.

kildare lad

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No i am just seeing a pattern
How many riots was in Europe before mass immigration started?
You are able to see the bigger picture?

It's a bit hard to see anything ,whens he's got his rose tinted glasses on all the time

ShatterAlan

ShatterAlan wrote: »

That's not fcuking integration. That's people like you trying to control others, erase their identity and cow them.


What if they don't want or need to learn the language as they have no interaction with native people? Why should someone get involved in the community if they don't want to? If they just want to be left alone to live their own life in their own little corner? Are you going to deport Shabnab because she doesn't want to go to the fcuking ladies' community bingo night?


You are trying to say that anyone who doesn't abide by your diktats and follows YOUR rules is a criminal sponger who lives in a ghetto.


As long as people don't break the law and / or cause suffering to others then who cares what else they do? What's it to you if they don't learn the language or learn just enough to get by.

If Mustapha wants to go to the mosque or Srikan wants to go to the Hindu temple or Minh wants to go to the Buddhist shrine, what damn business is that of yours?
It's not enough that they obey the law and work and pay taxes. You want to fcuk with them because you don't what them to be be different.

So you want people that comes here to speak their own language,and do their own thing the way they are used to,get a job with a language barrier and cost society money for just being here?
Sounds like a recipe for disaster if you ask me.
This is what causes cultural clashes

kildare lad

kildare lad wrote: »

It's a bit hard to see anything ,whens he's got his rose tinted glasses on all the time

Didnt know you used glasses,sorry

ShatterAlan

kildare lad wrote: »

Well how are roma gypsies getting houses then

Who's giving them houses?

ShatterAlan

Deleted User wrote: »

No i am just seeing a pattern
How many riots was in Europe before mass immigration started?
You are able to see the bigger picture?

What is the point of this question? What exactly is your point?


It seems to me that you are plucking any bullsh1t event in history and sttributing it to immigration policy.


There was also no disco music and flares before mass immigration started.

biko

Faced with disintigrating law and order in Dijon, Interior Minister Christophe Castaner ordered reinforcements into the city.

At this stage it is not clear what those reinforcements are. Although described as “military”, it is more likely that they are from the specialist police tactical unit Groupe d’intervention de la Gendarmerie nationale (GIGN). The GIGN specialises in counter-terrorism, hostage rescue, surveillance of national threats, protection of government officials, and targeting organized crime.

http://www.warfare.today/2020/06/16/french-military-mobilised-against-chechen-gangs/

ShatterAlan

ShatterAlan wrote: »

What is the point of this question? What exactly is your point?


It seems to me that you are plucking any bullsh1t event in history and sttributing it to immigration policy.


There was also no disco music and flares before mass immigration started.

There was no riots over race or cultural clashes.
And if we cant learn from history,what are we going to learn from?
Should we just carry on with another world war while we are at it?

ShatterAlan

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Big deal. Change skin colour for "ethnicity" then.

It isn't a big deal to me. You pointed out that Chechens were caucasian hence I'm guessing you mean they can't actually have a "skin colour".
Are Greeks Causasian? Italians? Spaniards, Swedes?


Because I've seen Irish who look like Zorba the Greek and I've seen Turks who look like Christy Moore.


The person was bemoaning that "multiculturalism" was to blame for this trouble in Dijon. I pointed out that we have the same if not worse problems with drug gangs in Dublin and it's got nothing to do with immigration, or skin colour, or ethnicity.

double jobbing

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Like who?


You don't qualify for the dole unless you've got stamps which you can't get unless you've worked.

That is completely and utterly untrue. You can come to Ireland from a safe country, be refused asylum, appeal and appeal until a concession is made, receive residency, apply for dole and never be removed from it. The Irish government will not let you starve to death if you can prove that you are functionally useless.

Now, they'd cut me off if I decided I didn't want to work any more. But not the congenitally useless.

An EU citizen can't just arrived and go to the dole office and sign on.

lol.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/human-rights-challenge-issued-to-social-housing-policy-for-non-irish-f6vhfnr20

Free registration. Worth the read.

double jobbing

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Who's giving them houses?

It's hard enough for somebody with a job and references to lease a home in Dublin such is the competition.

The Roma wouldn't have the greatest reputation.

Do you believe landlords are letting directly to them, or do you believe they are living in private homes because the local authority obtained the house and guarantees/ pays the rent and any damage?

ShatterAlan

Deleted User wrote: »

So you want people that comes here to speak their own language,and do their own thing the way they are used to,get a job with a language barrier and cost society money for just being here?
Sounds like a recipe for disaster if you ask me.
This is what causes cultural clashes

I don't want people to do anything they don't want to. It's their life and they can live it however they want as long as they are not harming others.


Sounds like a recipe for disaster?
This is what causes cultural clashes?


No.....it only causes cultural clashes because people like you are the ones causing the friction, trying to control other people's lives. Refusing to live and let live.


Most immigrants who come to Ireland speak English anyway. They know that their opportunities would be pretty limited if they didn't have a basic understanding of the language. So you banging on about them not learning the language is just bullsh1t. There are no vast enclaves where they have their own laws and media stations and all the street signs are in fcucking Swahili. What world are you living in?


And what if the person wasn't actually an immigrant but just someone who was a bit eccentric, didn't mix with anyone, didn't go to the pub, maybe could be seen on a clear night in his back garden with a telescope studying the stars, only bought, rice, beans, soya milk and feta cheese from the local supermarket, etc.


Are you going to stand outside the man's house demonstrating with a friggin' bullshon demanding that he "integrate" with the community.

ShatterAlan

Deleted User wrote: »

No i am just seeing a pattern
How many riots was in Europe before mass immigration started?
You are able to see the bigger picture?

What pattern are you seeing that the same doomsayers were seeing 50 years ago and none of their predictions came true? How are your predictions any more reliable that the gibberish that's been barfed out for decades?



What exactly are you predicting and what's the timeline?


Vague ominous drivel doesn't fool anybody. Crap like "The country is finished, mark my words!" doesn't cut it because it doesn't mean a fcuking thing. It just allows you to soapbox and not have to back up any of your nonsense.

ShatterAlan

Deleted User wrote: »

There was no riots over race or cultural clashes.
And if we cant learn from history,what are we going to learn from?
Should we just carry on with another world war while we are at it?

This has to be one of the stupidest and most immature, puerile, vacuous statements of the whole thread. It's akin to saying there were no civil right demonstrations when the negro was still a slave.


What are you on about? Seriously.


Reading your post it's as if you're trying to say that Jamaicans started to come to the UK in the 1950's and once they landed they all got together and said "ok fellas, we have sufficient numbers. There's a 1000 of us. Let's riot and smash up the place"


Because that's what it sounds like you're trying to say.

ShatterAlan

double jobbing wrote: »

It's hard enough for somebody with a job and references to lease a home in Dublin such is the competition.

The Roma wouldn't have the greatest reputation.

Do you believe landlords are letting directly to them, or do you believe they are living in private homes because the local authority obtained the house and guarantees/ pays the rent and any damage?

You tell me.
I wasn't the one who said Roma gypsies were getting houses, was I?
I asked who was giving them these houses. Now if you have some information that they are getting houses provided to them (assumedly on the taxpayer dime) then please provide some proof.

If the best you can come up with is a lazy "what do you think" then don't bother.

Spon Farmer

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

One thing I can't get my head around is this...

Even if you are the most liberal 'person of the world' no borders type of individual you must see the trouble immigration is causing around the world.

You must see it only gets worse, not better.

You must see that what we are doing is never going to work.

I saw a video yesterday of African origin youths in Tallaght running amok in a huge crowd. It's worrying and it's not the Ireland I know or want. It's completely alien to the country I know.

Why are we importing this? What do we gain?

What were the guys in Tallaght doing?

Pronto63

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Like who?


You don't qualify for the dole unless you've got stamps which you can't get unless you've worked. An EU citizen can't just arrived and go to the dole office and sign on.

You only need stamps for JSB (Benefit). Anyone legally resident in the state can claim JSA (Allowance) subject to a means test. That includes any EU national.

John_Rambo

kildare lad wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/gardai-arrest-four-romanian-men-22131064

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/fraud-scam-gardai-smash-romanian-16527356


https://extra.ie/2020/05/08/news/irish-news/romanian-crime-gang-corona-fraud


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nigerian-gang-linked-to-15m-fraud-target-of-garda-raids-37292029.html

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-seize-16m-of-cannabis-from-polish-crime-gang-26859703.html

https://www.thejournal.ie/man-arrested-human-trafficking-court-3084464-Nov2016/?amp=1

https://www.thejournal.ie/romanian-gang-boat-engines-4456650-Jan2019/


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/murder-victim-was-the-leader-of-a-criminal-gang-1.1379664



A quick look through Google will prove there's plenty of foreign organised crime goin on , we'd a polish labourer worked for us in 2006 , he told us his cousin had a garage here and was paying the polish mafia 100 quid a week protection .

Six or seven stories about foreign gangs in Ireland? A few seem to be about the same gang! I agree, they're here and they're not nice, but It's seriously nothing in comparison to the daily criminal matters that go on in the courts dealing with Irish born gang crime. The top crime stories from sexual assault, murder, familiacide, pedophilia, child abuse etc... have been mainly native Irish criminals.

ArchXStanton

ShatterAlan wrote: »

No more so than the plethora of assumptions on here that immigrants just want to sponge, they wreck the local economy, they mistreat their own and native women.


People are even assuming that the Arabs in Dijon are immigrants.

So far no one has made a positive case for immigration on here, one poster blathered on about food and he works with a few sound fellas.. There is many pitfalls and potential problems with immigration, just look at some of the countries in Europe and the problems they're experiencing, but somehow you think the shower of thicko politicians here will get it right... Ireland has never experienced anything like this and I wouldn't be putting my faith in the government here

Can anyone explain what is this obsession or mania with diversity coming from the EU, why its only cropped up in the last few years and why it seems only european countries need it?

jmayo

ShatterAlan wrote: »

The people who blab on about "integration" secretly distrust and dislike foreign cultures, that's why they are so hellbent on trying to erase them in the name of "fitting in".


I used to have a small apartment in Morocco. When I visited nobody forced me to pray 5 times a day. Nobody forced me to wear a jalabad or for my girlfriend to veil up. I could go to the bar and drink a load of beer and nobody frowned on it. I wasn't exactly integrating into Moroccan society. I just did my own thing. Certainly didn't speak and Arabic or Berber but could get by with French.


The very people who bitch about "integration" are the same kind of slobs who'd set up camp with the expats in the Costa, go to the Crown Pub for a Sunday roast or full Irish/English, wouldn't learn a lick of Spanish and would treat the natives as foreigners, calling them Manuel and slagging them off for not speaking English.

Yeah and Sarajevo was a real cool place, the girls wore miniskirts, the guys enjoyed going out drinking, but then after Bosnian war the Gulf states decided to stick their nose in and set up a few cultural centres and now it has gotten stricter and more fundamentalist.
Same with growth of fundamentalism in Kosovo.

Hell back in the 70s girls in Kabul could wear a miniskirt without fear of being immediately stoned to death and labelled a whore.
The islamic world is getting more fundamentalist, and the Western world (particularly US and it's lickspittle the UK) is indeed more than partially to blame for this by sticking it's nose in and helping remove the dictators that managed to keep a lid on the natives penchant for slaughtering each other and anyone else they didn't fancy.

That and the fact the West (see above) have turned a blind eye to the fact the likes of Saudis and Qataris have done nothing but sow the seeds of death and hatred throughout the world.

John_Rambo wrote: »

Six or seven stories about foreign gangs in Ireland? A few seem to be about the same gang! I agree, they're here and they're not nice, but It's seriously nothing in comparison to the daily criminal matters that go on in the courts dealing with Irish born gang crime. The top crime stories from sexual assault, murder, familiacide, pedophilia, child abuse etc... have been mainly native Irish criminals.

Why do some see the importation of criminals, rapists, misogynists as ok because we have some of our own.
As someone said earlier quite eloquently, would you accept a stranger coming into your home breaking your TV because your son had done the same in the past.

It is fooking infantile moronic hogwash and shows how the western world is going up it's own ass at this stage.

ILoveYourVibes

OP there are not many chenchans anywhere ..not enough to make a difference.

Its a TINY country ...they have like 1 million people tops! There are only about 30, 000 in france. Maybe 60,000 in the entire EU. Comparatively its a tiny number.

Whenever someone mentions chechan gangs i think ..really are they really chechan??

Multiculturalism doesn't cause this. Poverty and displacement does.

John_Rambo

jmayo wrote: »

Why do some see the importation of criminals, rapists, misogynists as ok because we have some of our own.

Who told you anyone in Ireland wants this?

ShatterAlan

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I don't want people to do anything they don't want to. It's their life and they can live it however they want as long as they are not harming others.


Sounds like a recipe for disaster?
This is what causes cultural clashes?


No.....it only causes cultural clashes because people like you are the ones causing the friction, trying to control other people's lives. Refusing to live and let live.


Most immigrants who come to Ireland speak English anyway. They know that their opportunities would be pretty limited if they didn't have a basic understanding of the language. So you banging on about them not learning the language is just bullsh1t. There are no vast enclaves where they have their own laws and media stations and all the street signs are in fcucking Swahili. What world are you living in?


And what if the person wasn't actually an immigrant but just someone who was a bit eccentric, didn't mix with anyone, didn't go to the pub, maybe could be seen on a clear night in his back garden with a telescope studying the stars, only bought, rice, beans, soya milk and feta cheese from the local supermarket, etc.


Are you going to stand outside the man's house demonstrating with a friggin' bullshon demanding that he "integrate" with the community.

If you look at sweden and France where you have ghettoes with immigrants,many doesnt speak the language,many doesnt have a job,many lives on the state.
What happens is that they become isolated from the rest of the country and end up as criminals.
Some places are so bad that the fire department and ambulances needs police escort and even police themselves.
Police in sweden even had to learn arabic to be able to communicate with these communities?
And you call this proper integration?

https://youtu.be/RocMz241uFU

buried

jmayo wrote: »

That and the fact the West (see above) have turned a blind eye to the fact the likes of Saudis and Qataris have done nothing but sow the seeds of death and hatred throughout the world.

This is it in a nutshell. The Saudis are in this for the long haul, they have been since they made the pact with FD Roosevelt on the USS Quincy back in 1945 - "you can have the oil but you leave our religion and how we dictate it alone" They know the oil will run out eventually so the plan must have been, export the trouble everywhere else, and let the world eat each other while we sit on our toilet thrones of gold. This is how they managed their own headhunting society when they lived in tents out in the desert before the oil underneath it was extracted.

ShatterAlan

ShatterAlan wrote: »

What pattern are you seeing that the same doomsayers were seeing 50 years ago and none of their predictions came true? How are your predictions any more reliable that the gibberish that's been barfed out for decades?



What exactly are you predicting and what's the timeline?


Vague ominous drivel doesn't fool anybody. Crap like "The country is finished, mark my words!" doesn't cut it because it doesn't mean a fcuking thing. It just allows you to soapbox and not have to back up any of your nonsense.

There was hardly any mass immigration and riots 50 years ago
Riots happens more and more frequent,you are not able to see a pattern?
Its sure doesnt look promising for the future if you ask me.

ShatterAlan

ShatterAlan wrote: »

This has to be one of the stupidest and most immature, puerile, vacuous statements of the whole thread. It's akin to saying there were no civil right demonstrations when the negro was still a slave.


What are you on about? Seriously.


Reading your post it's as if you're trying to say that Jamaicans started to come to the UK in the 1950's and once they landed they all got together and said "ok fellas, we have sufficient numbers. There's a 1000 of us. Let's riot and smash up the place"


Because that's what it sounds like you're trying to say.

Not in Europe ,there wasnt,there was no riots over black people killed in The USA or because some Danish newspapers put out a muhammad drawing was there?
And Jamacians knew english before they even came to UK and was properly integrated.

Strumms

Not directly in relation to Ireland, but I’m watching Man City vs Arsenal live on Sky, this may have happened before but it’s my first time seeing it.. ALL of the player names on the shirts have been removed and replaced with ‘Black Lives Matter’.. a player I didn’t recognize I’m searching and it’s ‘5’ Black Lives Matter...how the sweet fûck can a system that’s been organized to identify players to spectators that will equip their enjoyment and knowledge of the game be replaced and hijacked with political or social sloganeering? Who the fûck is sitting in the EPL office and is sanctioning that ?

What next ? I’m at the bus stop, there isn’t a timetable, instead a poster for ‘black lives matter ?’ I’m sitting on a plane going on my holidays, the pilot announces he won’t take off until until we all stand and chant ‘black lives matter’ ?

If you are black, white, Asian, whatever ethnicity... you matter, you matter though EQUALLY. We ALL matter.