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ArchXStanton wrote: »So far no one has made a positive case for immigration on here, one poster blathered on about food and he works with a few sound fellas.. There is many pitfalls and potential problems with immigration, just look at some of the countries in Europe and the problems they're experiencing, but somehow you think the shower of thicko politicians here will get it right... Ireland has never experienced anything like this and I wouldn't be putting my faith in the government here
Can anyone explain what is this obsession or mania with diversity coming from the EU, why its only cropped up in the last few years and why it seems only european countries need it?
What are you talking about?
Everyone is talking about the negative impacts of immigration.
I have a flat in Dublin and I own an apartment in Holland....another country that is, BTW fairly multicultural. They have Surinamese, Curacao-ans, Antilleans, Indonesians here all having a great time. Probably a lot more than Singapore.
For what it's worth, you don't own Ireland anymore than a Brit owns England of an American owns the Western Continent.
Someone one here earlier spoke of racial division in the US as if it had something to do with immigration. I asked for clarification. RADIO SILENCE.
Chances are the cops and others who are lynching the negro hail from stock who arrived in the US maybe centuries AFTER the black man was kidnapped and taken there against his will in the 17th and 18th century.
All you're doing is bitching like a blinkered bigot.
You want to know how immigration benefits people? I'll tell you. It opens people's minds it allows someone to fall in love with someone different, someone that excites them. It allows a white boy or girl to marry a black boy or girl.
My current gf is Italian, my previous was Punjabi, the one before that was Ugandan, the one before was a babe from Roscarberry in Cork. I loved all of them and still do and am still in touch. Things just changed.
I got a bit drunk one night on my way home from work and stumbled across that Church on Abbey Street and upstairs there was some kind of do with a Tanzanian flag over the door and a sign that read, "Tanzanian Independence, all welcome".
I thought "I'll have a bit of that" and rocked upstairs to the hall, paid my 10 euros and mooched on in. There were kids playing, a lovely black woman in a red dress moving around trying to make sure the buffet was ok and checking on microphone. I sat at this table near the back and a minute or two later a bunch of fat African men sat at the next table..all suits and orange socks and white brogues and garish sh1t like that. I asked them "Gentlemen, I'm sorry is this table that I am at for special guests?" One of the men howled with laughter and said "You are special, YOU ARE SPECIAL, come sit"
Stayed with those laughing lads for 2 hours and had some of their nice grub.
That maybe a trite and banal little story to you but I loved my accidental evening with those "immigrants"!0 -
You only need stamps for JSB (Benefit). Anyone legally resident in the state can claim JSA (Allowance) subject to a means test. That includes any EU national.
Didn't work for me. Irish citizen who has lived abroad for years. Ran a small business for a year in Dublin in 2015/16, worked in Ireland bog standard PAYE in 2015. Came out of work and didn't get a red cent.
Are you telling me I could have just rocked up and be given JSA/B because the cats on Parnell Street basically told me to FOAD.
This "means test" of which you speak....what does that encompass, exactly? That would be good to know. Doe you have to be in the gutter before you are taken care of?
Finally, how do NON-EU citizens get means tested or processed. Are they just given a hous like the Roma gypsies, like some spanner on here tried to claim?
Yes I'm aware that Romanians are EU citizens but can a Dane or a Slovak just arrive in Ireland and get money and a house?
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Lovely stories there Alan, maybe you could do peace mediator over there in dijon n sort it out, ta in advance
Look lads it's not a big milk us dry job with the Roma community- according to pavee point almost 17% of them here in Ireland are in employment. Maybe these 17% are helping out the the other 83% and it's not Paddy taxpayer getting fleeced, eh Alan!
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Not directly in relation to Ireland, but I’m watching Man City vs Arsenal live on Sky, this may have happened before but it’s my first time seeing it.. ALL of the player names on the shirts have been removed and replaced with ‘Black Lives Matter’...
Black Lives Matter, who want to tear down capitalism, supported by the EPL...0 -
#weallmatter #whothefûckis#5?0
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Yeah and Sarajevo was a real cool place, the girls wore miniskirts, the guys enjoyed going out drinking, but then after Bosnian war the Gulf states decided to stick their nose in and set up a few cultural centres and now it has gotten stricter and more fundamentalist.
Same with growth of fundamentalism in Kosovo.
Hell back in the 70s girls in Kabul could wear a miniskirt without fear of being immediately stoned to death and labelled a whore.
The islamic world is getting more fundamentalist, and the Western world (particularly US and it's lickspittle the UK) is indeed more than partially to blame for this by sticking it's nose in and helping remove the dictators that managed to keep a lid on the natives penchant for slaughtering each other and anyone else they didn't fancy.
That and the fact the West (see above) have turned a blind eye to the fact the likes of Saudis and Qataris have done nothing but sow the seeds of death and hatred throughout the world.
Why do some see the importation of criminals, rapists, misogynists as ok because we have some of our own.
As someone said earlier quite eloquently, would you accept a stranger coming into your home breaking your TV because your son had done the same in the past.
It is fooking infantile moronic hogwash and shows how the western world is going up it's own ass at this stage.
This diatribe is, quite frankly, a FCUKING embarrassment.
Yugoslavia was destroyed by NATO in order to smash the last vestiges of Russian influence on the Mediterranean. As if fcuking "miniskirts" ever were part of the billions that were available to trash that country.
Again you blab about miniskirts......That's funny.
Mary Quant introduced the miniskirt to London in the 60's, and I am deeply indebted to her for that garment.
Iranian women swanned around Tehran in 1953 in their beautiful beehive hair styles and stilletoes until the CIA smashed the country, installed a dictator and ordered them all indoors.
You aware of that.?
Afghanistan...what the hell would you know about the place? Not a rot.
So all these places of which you speak were suddenly torn to pieces by the terrible Muslim fundamatalist that is always in the back of you little mind?0 -
ShatterAlan wrote: »Are you talking about British immigrants to Ireland or to France?
And you talk about giving deadlines to find legitimate work. What would your deadline be?
And if they've knocked on every door and applied for every job and nobody has hired them then what? You deport them? And if they fled a country where they were persecuted do you send them back even if their life is in danger?
You say it's really easy to do. Is it? Really?
Eu law is 3 months. If you are an EU citizen who travels to another EU country and can’t find gainful employment/support yourself after 3 months you can legally be repatriated.0 -
Deleted User wrote: »If you look at sweden and France where you have ghettoes with immigrants,many doesnt speak the language,many doesnt have a job,many lives on the state.
What happens is that they become isolated from the rest of the country and end up as criminals.
Some places are so bad that the fire department and ambulances needs police escort and even police themselves.
Police in sweden even had to learn arabic to be able to communicate with these communities?
And you call this proper integration?
https://youtu.be/RocMz241uFU
Did they now?
Give me a link as to where Swedish cops had to learn Arabic.
A friend of mine just got sick of Irish lockdown and flew to Stockholm, rented a flat for a month and texted me back saying...expensive as usual but as beautifil as ever.
Where are you getting this Sweden "is overrun by Arab thugs"? who is feeding you this crap?
Morons in America think that France is now a "muslim" country.
People like you peddle the same utter nonsense.
What are you smoking? Who are you listening to?
You're obviously not listening to your own logc or reason.0 -
From what I’m reading, last year in the UK there were 78,991 race related crimes. A shockingly sad and appalling statistic. I’m wondering though if ‘black lives matter’ on shirts can be augmented by the shirt number 78,991 on EVERYONES shirt... the player will need to carry ID in his sock to present to the referee if being booked though, acceptable forms of ID...
Bus Pass
Library Card
Passport
Student card
State Pensioner ID
A signed letter from their mammy and or daddy.
Seriously, sport has a part to play but when that whistle is blown until the final whistle, it has ZERO part and causes should not be invading or detracting from the spectacle. Get on with the game.0 -
ShatterAlan wrote: »
I have a flat in Dublin and I own an apartment in Holland....another country that is, BTW fairly multicultural. They have Surinamese, Curacao-ans, Antilleans, Indonesians here all having a great time.
Would the immigrants you talk of in Amsterdam have anything to do with Dutch colonial history.
I don't see that this Dutch example has any similarities to Ireland.
The people who are coming to Ireland from every country in the world are citizenship immigrants, they don't know anything for the most part about Ireland and don't want to know.0 -
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Lovely stories there Alan, maybe you could do peace mediator over there in dijon n sort it out, ta in advance
Look lads it's not a big milk us dry job with the Roma community- according to pavee point almost 17% of them here in Ireland are in employment. Maybe these 17% are helping out the the other 83% and it's not Paddy taxpayer getting fleeced, eh Alan!
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Ah, you know what, sweetheart,
I'll let people like you bitch about non-existant crap.
Moan about something that will NEVER affect you unless your amazing life is the Luas and Spar and a few punks of whom you're frightened.
My world is a bit bigger than that. I'll trot off and mingle with nice people from all over this world and learn from them. You..you stick around in the mud and complain.
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Would the immigrants you talk of in Amsterdam have anything to do with Dutch colonial history.
I don't see that this Dutch example has any similarities to Ireland.
The people who are coming to Ireland from every country in the world are citizenship immigrants, they don't know anything for the most part about Ireland and don't want to know.
How many refugees were admitted to Ireland last year?
Would you like some numbers?
Are you interested in FACTS or just squabbling?
In 2019 only 683 people applied for refugee status in the Republic of Ireland.
Most of those cases are still pending
https://www.asylumineurope.org/reports/country/republic-ireland/statistics
683 people..and you talking like they're coming in and just fleecing our precious dole. Where do you get your information from or is it just you own internal bullsh1tometer?
And to the clown who said that Roma gypsies are given houses...WHERE ARE YOUR drivel FACTS?
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Would the immigrants you talk of in Amsterdam have anything to do with Dutch colonial history.
I don't see that this Dutch example has any similarities to Ireland.
The people who are coming to Ireland from every country in the world are citizenship immigrants, they don't know anything for the most part about Ireland and don't want to know.
And what's your point?
So colonial powers go off, sail around the world and slaughter peasants in The Far East and in atonement they should allow a few of the heathens to come back, many of whom, much like today are threatened...how many Iraqi translators were left high and dry after being promised the world if they walked out with dopey knobheads from Fort Bragg, non of which accomplished a thing except for stockholders.
So Ireland shouldn't have to suffer filthiy scum from war torn places...is that what you are saying. We didn't butcher sand rats in the Middle East and rob all their sh1t so we should have to accept those fleeing from our carnage.
Is that what what you are saying?
"Here you go, little Ireland, here's a rake of money, we know you're really proud of the bloody nose you gave the Brit Empire back in the day...and you can keep it that way. BUT, we'll be taking a lot of your taxes and wrecking Afghanistan andLibya. We don't need your troops, we have our own killers, just let US bombers land at Shannon....no questions asked.....alright Paddy?"0 -
ShatterAlan wrote: »How many refugees were admitted to Ireland last year?
Would you like some numbers?
Are you interested in FACTS or just squabbling?
In 2019 only 683 people applied for refugee status in the Republic of Ireland.
Most of those cases are still pending
https://www.asylumineurope.org/reports/country/republic-ireland/statistics
683 people..and you talking like they're coming in and just fleecing our precious dole. Where do you get your information from or is it just you own internal bullsh1tometer?
And to the clown who said that Roma gypsies are given houses...WHERE ARE YOUR drivel FACTS?
683 asylum seekers...what a burden, eh!
683, thats at least €203 a week each on welfare, €10,556 a year. A grand total of €6.7m a year at least for the 683. Put that number is perpetual. What if its 683 every year for the next 10 years. In 10 years it costs 67 million a year.
Add 683 every year
Year 1 - 6.7m
Year 2 - 13.4m
Year 3 - 20.1m
Year 4 - 26.8m
Year 5 - 33.5m
Year 6 - 40.2m
Year 7 - 46.9m
Year 8 - 53.6m
Year 9 - 60.3m
Year 10 - 67m
Add all of those up you have 368.5million over 10 years.
Now that's all before we start accounting for family relocations etc. For every asylum seeker you take in, you could be taking in 4-5 of their family members too. We could be talking over a billion euro over 10 years.
But that's not all.......
You have jumped 683 people per year to front of housing list. Bumping 683 people down. How much does that cost with the HAP scheme?We're talking around €7,000-€10,000 per claimant. We can double on that alone 368m. Then medical expenses, educational expenses etc.
It's not out of the realms that in that 10 years, your just 683 per year could cost the state €3-4bn when everything is factored in.0 -
ShatterAlan wrote: »Are you talking about British immigrants to Ireland or to France?
And you talk about giving deadlines to find legitimate work. What would your deadline be?
And if they've knocked on every door and applied for every job and nobody has hired them then what? You deport them? And if they fled a country where they were persecuted do you send them back even if their life is in danger?
You say it's really easy to do. Is it? Really?
The Vietnamese people who arrived in the US in the 70’s and 80’s said they were persecuted and their life's were in danger. But by the late 80’s the same people were visiting Vietnam. What happened to the persecuted and lives in danger nonsense.
The Boston bombers got into the US when their father applied for political asylum and got it. Probably claiming the usual persecuted and their life's were in danger line. Yet the Tsarnaev’s traveled many times back to Russia. What happened to the persecuted and lives in danger nonsense.0 -
ShatterAlan wrote: »What are you talking about?
Everyone is talking about the negative impacts of immigration.
I have a flat in Dublin and I own an apartment in Holland....another country that is, BTW fairly multicultural. They have Surinamese, Curacao-ans, Antilleans, Indonesians here all having a great time. Probably a lot more than Singapore.
For what it's worth, you don't own Ireland anymore than a Brit owns England of an American owns the Western Continent.
Someone one here earlier spoke of racial division in the US as if it had something to do with immigration. I asked for clarification. RADIO SILENCE.
Chances are the cops and others who are lynching the negro hail from stock who arrived in the US maybe centuries AFTER the black man was kidnapped and taken there against his will in the 17th and 18th century.
All you're doing is bitching like a blinkered bigot.
You want to know how immigration benefits people? I'll tell you. It opens people's minds it allows someone to fall in love with someone different, someone that excites them. It allows a white boy or girl to marry a black boy or girl.
My current gf is Italian, my previous was Punjabi, the one before that was Ugandan, the one before was a babe from Roscarberry in Cork. I loved all of them and still do and am still in touch. Things just changed.
I got a bit drunk one night on my way home from work and stumbled across that Church on Abbey Street and upstairs there was some kind of do with a Tanzanian flag over the door and a sign that read, "Tanzanian Independence, all welcome".
I thought "I'll have a bit of that" and rocked upstairs to the hall, paid my 10 euros and mooched on in. There were kids playing, a lovely black woman in a red dress moving around trying to make sure the buffet was ok and checking on microphone. I sat at this table near the back and a minute or two later a bunch of fat African men sat at the next table..all suits and orange socks and white brogues and garish sh1t like that. I asked them "Gentlemen, I'm sorry is this table that I am at for special guests?" One of the men howled with laughter and said "You are special, YOU ARE SPECIAL, come sit"
Stayed with those laughing lads for 2 hours and had some of their nice grub.
That maybe a trite and banal little story to you but I loved my accidental evening with those "immigrants"!
But seriously get back to us, when you have married and had children. I want to see were you bought your home . And more importantly what schools you’ll send your children too.
Please remember I was once like you.
But I saw reality very quickly when we bought our first home and had children0 -
ShatterAlan wrote: »Did they now?
Give me a link as to where Swedish cops had to learn Arabic.
A friend of mine just got sick of Irish lockdown and flew to Stockholm, rented a flat for a month and texted me back saying...expensive as usual but as beautifil as ever.
Where are you getting this Sweden "is overrun by Arab thugs"? who is feeding you this crap?
Morons in America think that France is now a "muslim" country.
People like you peddle the same utter nonsense.
What are you smoking? Who are you listening to?
You're obviously not listening to your own logc or reason.
How many bombings in Sweden have you read about.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/10/sweden-muslim-migrants-make-bomb-attacks-now-a-normal-part-of-life-migration-foes-smeared-as-bigots0 -
ShatterAlan wrote: »Did they now?
Give me a link as to where Swedish cops had to learn Arabic.
A friend of mine just got sick of Irish lockdown and flew to Stockholm, rented a flat for a month and texted me back saying...expensive as usual but as beautifil as ever.
Where are you getting this Sweden "is overrun by Arab thugs"? who is feeding you this crap?
Morons in America think that France is now a "muslim" country.
People like you peddle the same utter nonsense.
What are you smoking? Who are you listening to?
You're obviously not listening to your own logc or reason.
You are obviously not reading enough news.
https://www.thelocal.se/20110905/35956
https://swedenreport.wordpress.com/2014/10/29/swedish-police-55-official-no-go-zones/
https://snpf.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/En-nationell-översikt-Kriminella-nätverk-med-stor-påverkan-på-lokalsamhället.pdf
And no i am not smoking,and i am very logic.
All you have to do is actually pay attention to whats happening in Europe.0 -
Quite off topic, but ShatterAlan's contention that Yugoslavia was destroyed by NATO to stem Russian influence is completely ahistorical.
Yugoslavia was never a Warsaw Pact member and was firmly in the non-aligned movement camp. The Soviet Union and Russia (mostly due its self-imagined role as the beating heart of the Slavic peoples) after its breakup often looked longingly at Belgrade but the love was mostly unrequited. There was a patchwork of complex reasons why Yugoslavia broke up, but NATO intervention came very late in the day after it collapsed into a sh*tshow in any case.0 -
Lovely stories there Alan, maybe you could do peace mediator over there in dijon n sort it out, ta in advance
Look lads it's not a big milk us dry job with the Roma community- according to pavee point almost 17% of them here in Ireland are in employment. Maybe these 17% are helping out the the other 83% and it's not Paddy taxpayer getting fleeced, eh Alan!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.paveepoint.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/RNA-PDF.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjcz6uJ4InqAhWyp3EKHZeWCmcQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw0N44jADuxSCwQ6GYI-frLH
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.paveepoint.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/RNA-PDF.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjO_onm3YnqAhXFURUIHSscDW8QFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw0N44jADuxSCwQ6GYI-frLHShatterAlan wrote: »Ah, you know what, sweetheart,
I'll let people like you bitch about non-existant crap.
Moan about something that will NEVER affect you unless your amazing life is the Luas and Spar and a few punks of whom you're frightened.
My world is a bit bigger than that. I'll trot off and mingle with nice people from all over this world and learn from them. You..you stick around in the mud and complain.
How's that?
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John_Rambo wrote: »Who told you anyone in Ireland wants this?
Well we have posters on here exclaiming you must take the god with the bad and that it is overwhelmingly good so in other words suck up the bad eggs.ShatterAlan wrote: »This diatribe is, quite frankly, a FCUKING embarrassment.
Yugoslavia was destroyed by NATO in order to smash the last vestiges of Russian influence on the Mediterranean. As if fcuking "miniskirts" ever were part of the billions that were available to trash that country.
As Yurt quite rightly pointed out you are talking through your fooking ar**.
Yugoslavia was never in Warsaw Pact, Albania was.
In fact if you read a bit rather than bragging telling others how much property you have in different countries and how many different nationalities you have had as girlfriends you might actually know something about the history of the federation of states that was Yugoslavia.
Tito made sure that Stalin didn't get his grubby paws on the country at the end of WWII.
And it was Tito that kept the place together even though lots of scores were settled with some of the German loving Croats and Bosniaks at the end of WWII.
And NATO sat on their fooking hands until pushed by the attack on Sarajevo market that to this day a lot of folks reckon was actually Bosnian forces rather than Serbs.
And the UN did fook all either bar leg it out of the safe havens like Srebrenica leaving the innocent civilians at the mercy of the Republic of Srpska forces under Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic.ShatterAlan wrote: »Again you blab about miniskirts......That's funny.
Mary Quant introduced the miniskirt to London in the 60's, and I am deeply indebted to her for that garment.
Iranian women swanned around Tehran in 1953 in their beautiful beehive hair styles and stilletoes until the CIA smashed the country, installed a dictator and ordered them all indoors.
You aware of that.?
Convenient that you also neglect to state any of the changes the Shah introduced to modernize the country?
There was a half decent movie made about fall of Iran to Khomeini and fate of American embassy staff called Argo.
Remember what the John Goodman character used to say ??ShatterAlan wrote: »Afghanistan...what the hell would you know about the place? Not a rot.
And what the fook do you know ?
Or maybe you are enlightened about it's history as much as that of Yugoslavia. :rolleyes:
It is arrogant people like you lecturing others that are the greatest threats to our societies.
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Well we have posters on here exclaiming you must take the god with the bad and that it is overwhelmingly good so in other words suck up the bad eggs.
As Yurt quite rightly pointed out you are talking through your fooking ar**.
Yugoslavia was never in Warsaw Pact, Albania was.
In fact if you read a bit rather than bragging telling others how much property you have in different countries and how many different nationalities you have had as girlfriends you might actually know something about the history of the federation of states that was Yugoslavia.
Tito made sure that Stalin didn't get his grubby paws on the country at the end of WWII.
And it was Tito that kept the place together even though lots of scores were settled with some of the German loving Croats and Bosniaks at the end of WWII.
And NATO sat on their fooking hands until pushed by the attack on Sarajevo market that to this day a lot of folks reckon was actually Bosnian forces rather than Serbs.
And the UN did fook all either bar leg it out of the safe havens like Srebrenica leaving the innocent civilians at the mercy of the Republic of Srpska forces under Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic.
Convenient that you also neglect to state any of the changes the Shah introduced to modernize the country?
There was a half decent movie made about fall of Iran to Khomeini and fate of American embassy staff called Argo.
Remember what the John Goodman character used to say ??
And what the fook do you know ?
Or maybe you are enlightened about it's history as much as that of Yugoslavia. :rolleyes:
It is arrogant people like you lecturing others that are the greatest threats to our societies.
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Are you seriously suggesting there's no racial tension between Chinese, Malay & Indians in Singapore?
Perhaps ask someone who lives there.
I lived there for a year and a half mate. There is not such a heavy tension to cause wide spread violence and disturbances.
There is relative harmony compared to other places in the world.0 -
Quite off topic, but ShatterAlan's contention that Yugoslavia was destroyed by NATO to stem Russian influence is completely ahistorical.
Yugoslavia was never a Warsaw Pact member and was firmly in the non-aligned movement camp. The Soviet Union and Russia (mostly due its self-imagined role as the beating heart of the Slavic peoples) after its breakup often looked longingly at Belgrade but the love was mostly unrequited. There was a patchwork of complex reasons why Yugoslavia broke up, but NATO intervention came very late in the day after it collapsed into a sh*tshow in any case.
Yugoslavia and Austro-Hungarian Empire are the proof that multiehtnic country is unsustainable. But yes, Serbia was always an ally of Russia and Greece, and USA wouldn't bomb Belgrade without a reason. They took advantage of the weak Yeltsin government, and at the same time they were creating the conflict in Chechenia, and also trying to make weak Armenia, the main Russian ally on Caucasus, but Armenians put on the hole of USA and Azerbaijan without vaseline. Then Putin got the power and guess what happened? USA walked away now towards Iraq and Afghanistan. They still waiting Putin to go.0 -
I lived there for a year and a half mate. There is not such a heavy tension to cause wide spread violence and disturbances.
There is relative harmony compared to other places in the world.
Thats because they have strict laws regarding immigration and in general
Nothing like we have here in Europe,where you can riot as you please with medias blessing,and get a fine or 2 months in jail and continue again.
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Maybe try to answer points put to you.ShatterAlan wrote: »How many refugees were admitted to Ireland last year?
Would you like some numbers?
Are you interested in FACTS or just squabbling?
In 2019 only 683 people applied for refugee status in the Republic of Ireland.
Most of those cases are still pending
https://www.asylumineurope.org/reports/country/republic-ireland/statistics
683 people..and you talking like they're coming in and just fleecing our precious dole. Where do you get your information from or is it just you own internal bullsh1tometer?
And to the clown who said that Roma gypsies are given houses...WHERE ARE YOUR drivel FACTS?
683 asylum seekers...what a burden, eh!
4740 is the number of people who applied for international protection in Ireland in 2019, that is of course the official number.
It is interesting to me to hear of people from diverse countries who make their way to Ireland.
The most recent case I heard was a young man from Georgia, the country not the State.
In was in the context of the Covid19 stories from Direct Provision system.
The young man said that he came to Ireland for peace or words to that effect.
How someone gets to Ireland from Georgia is not an easy process, no direct connections, visa necessary.
I reference this because you spoke about people from former Dutch colonies living in Amsterdam.0 -
Deleted User wrote: »If you look at sweden and France where you have ghettoes with immigrants,many doesnt speak the language,many doesnt have a job,many lives on the state.
What happens is that they become isolated from the rest of the country and end up as criminals.
Some places are so bad that the fire department and ambulances needs police escort and even police themselves.
Police in sweden even had to learn arabic to be able to communicate with these communities?
And you call this proper integration?
https://youtu.be/RocMz241uFU
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The film "12 Angry Men" just springs to mind.0 -
weldoninhio wrote: »Eu law is 3 months. If you are an EU citizen who travels to another EU country and can’t find gainful employment/support yourself after 3 months you can legally be repatriated.
That's about as accurate as saying that one can be banned from going to Galway if one is from Dublin:
You may live in the other EU country as long as you continue to meet the conditions for residence. If you no longer do so, the national authorities may require you to leave.
In exceptional cases, your host country can deport you on grounds of public policy or public security - but only if it can prove you represent a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society.
So effectively you can swan off to Denmark or Portugal and live there forever. If you want to apply for legal status as in residency, you do so after 3 months of smoking weed on the beach and finally getting a job.0 -
ShatterAlan wrote: »
So effectively you can swan off to Denmark or Portugal and live there forever. If you want to apply for legal status as in residency, you do so after 3 months of smoking weed on the beach and finally getting a job
Sounds like you allready tried it0 -
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ShatterAlan wrote: »That's about as accurate as saying that one can be banned from going to Galway if one is from Dublin:
You may live in the other EU country as long as you continue to meet the conditions for residence. If you no longer do so, the national authorities may require you to leave.
In exceptional cases, your host country can deport you on grounds of public policy or public security - but only if it can prove you represent a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society.
So effectively you can swan off to Denmark or Portugal and live there forever. If you want to apply for legal status as in residency, you do so after 3 months of smoking weed on the beach and finally getting a job.
Existing EU rules allow states to deport citizens from other EU countries if they have become a burden on the welfare system of the state. You are wrong, again.0
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