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Parking and traffic in Phoenix Park

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    #1142
    [Deleted User]
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    Phil.x wrote: »
    Just open the gates as it was never a problem.

    I called cabra garda, usual tosh about covid was the reply, I said send someone up to manage the traffic, he said he'd make a call but I guess he was too busy eating doughnuts, as both lanes are blocked.

    It’s good the gates are blocked. If the traffic is that bad (and from what I hear, the memorial park is busier than locals have ever seen it) it’s good that there are spaces where you can get away from cars....cycle with the kids, walk in peace.


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    #1143
    wotswattage
    Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭wotswattage


    I was there walking yesterday it seemed only the Criminal court gate and castleknock gates were open with all the others closed.

    The queue out for the criminal courts went back as far as the Aras viewing spot -That's 2km!!!!
    The queue for the castleknock gate seemed similar..

    I guess you could enter the park not thinking it was too bad but the only ways out already had huge tailbacks. Is this only a weekend thing? The other gates seem open during the week.


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    #1144
    cython
    Registered Users Posts: 4,767 ✭✭✭cython


    wotswattage wrote: »
    I was there walking yesterday it seemed only the Criminal court gate and castleknock gates were open with all the others closed.

    The queue out for the criminal courts went back as far as the Aras viewing spot -That's 2km!!!!
    The queue for the castleknock gate seemed similar..

    I guess you could enter the park not thinking it was too bad but the only ways out already had huge tailbacks. Is this only a weekend thing? The other gates seem open during the week.

    It was announced a few weeks ago that through current period of Level 5 restrictions all gates bar Castleknock and Parkgate Street gates are to remain closed to vehicular traffic at weekends.


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    #1145
    Phil.x
    Registered Users Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    I guess it's more letters to the elected TD's and garda commissioner seeking clarity on this insanity.


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    #1146
    beauf
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It’s good the gates are blocked. If the traffic is that bad (and from what I hear, the memorial park is busier than locals have ever seen it) it’s good that there are spaces where you can get away from cars....cycle with the kids, walk in peace.

    Problems is everyone had the same idea. I heard other parks were very busy also.
    wotswattage wrote: »
    .... Is this only a weekend thing? The other gates seem open during the week.

    Its just busier at the weekends.


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    #1147
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    St Catherine's has also been very busy at the weekends, this isn't a traffic issue, it's just lots of demand for local recreation.


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    #1148
    AndrewJRenko
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    Phil.x wrote: »
    Yes, I text from traffic.

    Put your phone away. You're supposed to be watching what's going on around you, even in traffic. It is a busy area for pedestrians and cyclists.


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    #1149
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 24,077 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Everything I said would happen. Absolute joke by the OPW and the Guards. A dead blind dog saw it coming.

    Have already put the emails in to get it opened up properly again at the weekends. It'll be one of the few things *ALL* people within 5kms are entitled to enjoy in the run up to Christmas.


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    #1150
    IngazZagni
    Registered Users Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    So much more pleasant for pedestrians with the side gates closed.

    For what it's worth other parks in the city were absolutely gridlock today as well. It's due to Lockdown and people have nowhere else to go or do so we are congregating en masse in the parks. Once level 5 restrictions are eased so to will the traffic levels in the phoenix park. If gridlock remains then they should look into an exit only side gate perhaps.


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    #1151
    Former Former Former
    Registered Users Posts: 5,988 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    It was madness there today. And there's no way to blame through traffic or rat runs. Those cars were all park users.

    The idea of closing the gates was so that the Gardaí would need fewer checkpoints to enforce the 5km limit, so hopefully they'll reopen on 1st December.


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    #1152
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    Former Former Former wrote: »
    It was madness there today. And there's no way to blame through traffic or rat runs. Those cars were all park users.

    The idea of closing the gates was so that the Gardaí would need fewer checkpoints to enforce the 5km limit, so hopefully they'll reopen on 1st December.

    It was through traffic that caused the issues.
    Obviously, the car parks were not full.
    Where are they going anyway? People are not supposed to go more than 5km.
    If drivers don't want to be stuck in traffic in the park, then they shouldn't drive through it.


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    #1153
    Enrico Palazzo
    Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Enrico Palazzo


    bubblypop wrote: »
    It was through traffic that caused the issues.
    Obviously, the car parks were not full.
    Where are they going anyway? People are not supposed to go more than 5km.
    If drivers don't want to be stuck in traffic in the park, then they shouldn't drive through it.
    They did seem packed to me after I got to the closest one some 80 minutes after entering Chesterfield Avenue. And that was about 4pm when more people were already leaving than coming in. Madness. Things started moving again only after Gardai arrived to direct the traffic. The whole idea is insane as the Parkgate exit in particular is an absolute choking point with a very short green light for leaving cars.


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    #1154
    Former Former Former
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    It was through traffic that caused the issues.
    Obviously, the car parks were not full.
    Where are they going anyway? People are not supposed to go more than 5km.
    If drivers don't want to be stuck in traffic in the park, then they shouldn't drive through it.

    The car park at Ashtown Castle was full by 11am.


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    #1155
    beauf
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    It was through traffic that caused the issues.
    ....

    People keep saying that, but almost every time there's gridlock in the last year it's been the weekend and during a lockdown. There is no where to go....


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    #1156
    raheny red
    Registered Users Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭raheny red


    Drivers continually driving to a park at weekends knowing it'll be chaotic. Drivers continually moaning about said issue. Madness.


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    #1157
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    beauf wrote: »
    People keep saying that, but almost every time there's gridlock in the last year it's been the weekend and during a lockdown. There is no where to go....

    There is a 5km limit for exercise, do you really think that the Phoenix park would be full of cars from people travelling within 5km of the park?


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    #1158
    Enrico Palazzo
    Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Enrico Palazzo


    bubblypop wrote: »
    There is a 5km limit for exercise, do you really think that the Phoenix park would be full of cars from people travelling within 5km of the park?
    Most of Dublin is within 5km from the park.


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    #1159
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    IngazZagni wrote: »
    So much more pleasant for pedestrians with the side gates closed.

    For what it's worth other parks in the city were absolutely gridlock today as well. It's due to Lockdown and people have nowhere else to go or do so we are congregating en masse in the parks. Once level 5 restrictions are eased so to will the traffic levels in the phoenix park. If gridlock remains then they should look into an exit only side gate perhaps.

    I agree.

    And as a long term plan I would add reasonably sized car parks at each gate, with the gates open but access only to that specific car park, with no through traffic, except for down the avenue. Bollards set in the roads like exist on the S-bends. I remember when those went in - the magazine fort area of the park was transformed


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    #1160
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    Enrico Palazzo wrote: »
    Most of Dublin is within 5km from the park.

    Lol!
    It is not.


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    #1161
    Former Former Former
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    raheny red wrote: »
    Drivers continually driving to a park at weekends knowing it'll be chaotic. Drivers continually moaning about said issue. Madness.

    Well, in the absence of anywhere else to go within a 5km radius or anything else to do with everything shut, yes, that pretty much sums it up.

    Will I go back next weekend, in my car? Yes. Will I complain? Yes, because it doesn't need to be like this.


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    #1162
    raheny red
    Registered Users Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭raheny red


    Former Former Former wrote: »
    Well, in the absence of anywhere else to go within a 5km radius or anything else to do with everything shut, yes, that pretty much sums it up.

    Will I go back next weekend, in my car? Yes. Will I complain? Yes, because it doesn't need to be like this.

    "Anywhere else" :D


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    #1163
    Larbre34
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    It was through traffic that caused the issues.
    Obviously, the car parks were not full.

    They were so, they were jammed.

    A few months ago I used some of the GIS data I have access to and calculated that between
    215,000 and 260,000 people live within 5k of PP.
    At the same time, I wouldn't be naive enough to stand over every person in the Park today being from the cordon area, but it just shows there is no justification in leaving the gates closed.


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    #1164
    Former Former Former
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    raheny red wrote: »
    "Anywhere else" :D

    I'm open to suggestions. This weekend I went to Catherine's Park on Saturday and Phoenix Park on Sunday.

    If there's a fabulous alternative within 5km of Carpenterstown that I'm missing, I'm all ears.


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    #1165
    raheny red
    Registered Users Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭raheny red


    Former Former Former wrote: »
    I'm open to suggestions. This weekend I went to Catherine's Park on Saturday and Phoenix Park on Sunday.

    If there's a fabulous alternative within 5km of Carpenterstown that I'm missing, I'm all ears.

    There's plenty of alternatives not quite sure I can help you with the fabulous part though.


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    #1166
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    Former Former Former wrote: »
    I'm open to suggestions. This weekend I went to Catherine's Park on Saturday and Phoenix Park on Sunday.

    If there's a fabulous alternative within 5km of Carpenterstown that I'm missing, I'm all ears.

    Depends on what you want to do?
    Obvs you have the walk along the canal. Waterstone park, Palmerston. Tolka valley park ashtown.
    If it's just walks, St Catherine's might be just outside your 5km, so if your happy to go just outside, there's the war memorial gardens, islandbridge & moma kilmainham.


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    #1167
    beauf
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    There is a 5km limit for exercise, do you really think that the Phoenix park would be full of cars from people travelling within 5km of the park?

    https://2kmfromhome.com/

    Drop a pin in the middle of the park give it a 6 to 7k radius and you'll have some idea


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    #1168
    beauf
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    raheny red wrote: »
    Drivers continually driving to a park at weekends knowing it'll be chaotic. Drivers continually moaning about said issue. Madness.

    Well its a thread about parking and traffic in the Phoenix park.
    What exactly were you expecting?


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    #1169
    beauf
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    This is from June

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113733980&postcount=22


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    #1170
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 24,077 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    beauf wrote: »
    This is from June

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113733980&postcount=22

    Exactly.

    They succumbed to the defn. of madness.


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    #1171
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    beauf wrote: »
    https://2kmfromhome.com/

    Drop a pin in the middle of the park give it a 6 to 7k radius and you'll have some idea

    I have done it before today, with a 5km radius, seeing as that's the limit.
    It's not, as the poster says, anything like most of Dublin within 5 km of the park.


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