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Parking and traffic in Phoenix Park

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    #1172
    beauf
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    I have done it before today, with a 5km radius, seeing as that's the limit.
    It's not, as the poster says, anything like most of Dublin within 5 km of the park.

    Park is 4km long. So the radius of catchment of the park in lockdown is far greater than 5k.


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    #1173
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    beauf wrote: »
    Park is 4km long. So the radius of catchment of the park in lockdown is far greater than 5k.

    ?
    Seriously. I know how to measure radius, thanks
    A radius of 5km from the walls of the park, does not include most of Dublin.


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    #1174
    beauf
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    ?
    Seriously. I know how to measure radius, thanks
    A radius of 5km from the walls of the park, does not include most of Dublin.

    Your point was (I assume) that there are not that many people within 5k of the park, not enough to cause a traffic jam.
    bubblypop wrote: »
    There is a 5km limit for exercise, do you really think that the Phoenix park would be full of cars from people travelling within 5km of the park?

    There is a massive amount of people within 5k of a park gate.

    Even if people stuck rigidly to the rules. I think we can safety assume they don't.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBd8niJ6b2s&ab_channel=RorysStories


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    #1175
    Spanish Eyes
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    I have a park at the back of my house, go out the back gate and there we are.

    Issue I have now is dogs off the leash and going demented and all that. Owners think they are hilarious. Is there anything I can do about this?

    Totally fed up with this, so drive to Memorial Gardens, park up and do the River walk instead.


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    #1176
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    beauf wrote: »
    Your point was (I assume) that there are not that many people within 5k of the park, not enough to cause a traffic jam.

    My point was to a poster who claimed that most of Dublin is within 5 km of the Phoenix park. I was pointing out that was not true.
    Anyone who lives within 3 km of the park should be walking, unless somehow incapacitated.


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    #1177
    zerosugarbuzz
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    Utterly stupid closing the side gates. Delays people getting to where they are going for absolutely no benefit.


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    #1178
    beauf
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    My point was to a poster who claimed that most of Dublin is within 5 km of the Phoenix park. I was pointing out that was not true.
    Anyone who lives within 3 km of the park should be walking, unless somehow incapacitated.

    Why don't you want cyclists in the park.


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    #1179
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    beauf wrote: »
    Why don't you want cyclists in the park.

    Oh I'm sorry I didn't specify cyclists. Jaysis!
    Ok, anyone within 5km should be cycling to the park :)


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    #1180
    zerosugarbuzz
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    beauf wrote: »
    Why don't you want cyclists in the park.

    As a walker I find I spend an awful lot more time trying to avoid unruly cyclists in the Phoenix park than anything else, particularly this year. Cars have never been a problem for me.


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    #1181
    Spanish Eyes
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    Some committed cyclists can be rotten to others in their path.

    Dog owners don't care about others either.

    It is a constant battle. All we want to do is walk in the fresh (ahem) air and enjoy it. But it is not so enjoyable now. Cars, joggers, cyclists, dogs, I dunno anymore. Too many people, too many restrictions maybe.

    I honestly never heard of the Exercise mantra before Covid. I like sleeping TBH lol.


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    #1182
    Spanish Eyes
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    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    As a walker I find I spend an awful lot more time trying to avoid unruly cyclists in the Phoenix park than anything else, particularly this year. Cars have never been a problem for me.

    Agree.

    There is so much talk about cycle lanes, but NOTHING about pedestrian access at all. Ever.


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    #1183
    Spanish Eyes
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    beauf wrote: »
    Why don't you want cyclists in the park.

    No worries about cyclists at all, but walkers are largely forgotten about in the cycle/car debate really.

    Can you tell me why walkers are largely ignored in favour of cycle lanes?


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    #1184
    raheny red
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Agree.

    There is so much talk about cycle lanes, but NOTHING about pedestrian access at all. Ever.

    Car is king.


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    #1185
    Spanish Eyes
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    raheny red wrote: »
    Car is king.

    And cycling. Walkers are ignored.


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    #1186
    raheny red
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    And cycling. Walkers are ignored.

    Severe lack of pedestrian crossings all right.


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    #1187
    Spanish Eyes
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    raheny red wrote: »
    Severe lack of pedestrian crossings all right.

    Agree. But what can walkers do?


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    #1188
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    My point was to a poster who claimed that most of Dublin is within 5 km of the Phoenix park. I was pointing out that was not true.
    Anyone who lives within 3 km of the park should be walking, unless somehow incapacitated.

    What's "should" mean, though, in terms of being a meaningful statement?


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    #1189
    BlazingSaddler
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    And cycling. Walkers are ignored.

    Are there not 2 pedestrian only lanes on each side of the road?


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    #1190
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    I walk in the park a few times a week and have yet to have a problem going about my business tbh

    I've seen cyclists hit by cars with my own eyes twice in the last year- not that cyclists don't behave badly within the grounds (particularly those who seem to be doing times/organised activities)

    Cars speeding also a problem

    But as I say, nothing at all to prevent me enjoying a stroll about the place a few times a week


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    #1191
    Spanish Eyes
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    raheny red wrote: »
    Car is king.

    Going by your name you may be familiar with St. Anne's Park.

    Great place and no cars either.


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    #1192
    Enrico Palazzo
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    ?
    Seriously. I know how to measure radius, thanks
    A radius of 5km from the walls of the park, does not include most of Dublin.
    distance.jpg


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    #1193
    Spanish Eyes
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    BlazingSaddler wrote: »
    Are there not 2 pedestrian only lanes on each side of the road?

    There are, but you have to be careful as to which lane you use. It is very easy to veer from the cycle path to the the walking space.


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    #1194
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    Enrico Palazzo wrote: »
    distance.jpg

    Now put it into a map of Dublin


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    #1195
    raheny red
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Going by your name you may be familiar with St. Anne's Park.

    Great place and no cars either.

    A fantastic park which has been greatly improved the last few years.

    I'm in D15 now but am avoiding the phoenix park at weekends.



    Richmond Park in London has gone car free. Seems nice.

    https://twitter.com/lucullus/status/1330583443059642368?s=19


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    #1196
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    There are, but you have to be careful as to which lane you use. It is very easy to veer from the cycle path to the the walking space.

    The cycle path off the road has been closed for months. There are two pedestrian footpaths either side of chesterfield ave.
    The hard shoulder of the avenue is now the cycle paths.


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    #1197
    BlazingSaddler
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    There are, but you have to be careful as to which lane you use. It is very easy to veer from the cycle path to the the walking space.

    The old cycle path is now only for pedestrians meaning 2 pedestrian only paths on each side, cyclists have to use the new cycle lane on the road. Not ideal for family or recreational cyclists


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    #1198
    beauf
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Oh I'm sorry I didn't specify cyclists. Jaysis!
    Ok, anyone within 5km should be cycling to the park :)

    Now you don't want walkers. :D


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    #1199
    beauf
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    BlazingSaddler wrote: »
    The old cycle path is now only for pedestrians meaning 2 pedestrian only paths on each side, cyclists have to use the new cycle lane on the road. Not ideal for family or recreational cyclists

    There's lots of places to cycle in the park. Whats the attraction of a straight line, beside a road?


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    #1200
    Former Former Former
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Anyone who lives within 3 km of the park should be walking, unless somehow incapacitated.

    3km is a long trek for older people and young kids.

    But the point that people keep missing is that the park is not a single point on the map. You arrive at your nearest gate on foot and chances are you still have a substantial distance to your actual destination. It's not reasonable to expect people to walk 4 or 5km each way to use park facilities.


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    #1201
    Seth Brundle
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    Former Former Former wrote: »
    3km is a long trek for older people and young kids.

    But the point that people keep missing is that the park is not a single point on the map. You arrive at your nearest gate on foot and chances are you still have a substantial distance to your actual destination. It's not reasonable to expect people to walk 4 or 5km each way to use park facilities.
    There is plenty of parking adjacent to the park. Some free, some pay and display. Short walk to the gates and you're in. Why do park users object to these parking spots?
    What destination in the park is drawing the crowds these days?


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