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Parking and traffic in Phoenix Park

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    #1532
    [Deleted User]
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    liamog wrote: »
    Ok so then you do support the OPW building parking facilities near the park gates so people who want to use the park can park there?

    I would prefer the car parking facilities to be in the park rather at the edges.
    Car parks inside the gates only encourages commuters to park there


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    #1533
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    liamog wrote: »
    Ok so then you do support the OPW building parking facilities near the park gates so people who want to use the park can park there?

    They don’t have to be beside the gates, but the gates should provide access to car parks rather than access to through routes.

    And cars parked on verges should be towed. Zero tolerance like in Richmond park in London


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    #1534
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They don’t have to be beside the gates, but the gates should provide access to car parks rather than access to through routes.

    And cars parked on verges should be towed. Zero tolerance like in Richmond park in London

    Richmond is a good example, the car parks are near the gates, except for a couple in the middle where they are disabled parking only.

    I'm all in favour of reducing traffic through and in the park, I believe the best way to do this is with car parks on the periphery. I don't believe commuters will park at a Castleknock Gate/Kockmaroon Gate/Ashtown Gate and hike to the Main Gate to get onto the Luas into town.


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    #1535
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    liamog wrote: »
    Richmond is a good example, the car parks are near the gates, except for a couple in the middle where they are disabled parking only.

    I'm all in favour of reducing traffic through and in the park, I believe the best way to do this is with car parks on the periphery. I don't believe commuters will park at a Castleknock Gate/Kockmaroon Gate/Ashtown Gate and hike to the Main Gate to get onto the Luas into town.

    That's true, I can only go by the way it was before covid, when the car parks just off Chesterfield Ave were full everyday before 9am with commuters parking there.


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    #1536
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    liamog wrote: »
    Richmond is a good example, the car parks are near the gates, except for a couple in the middle where they are disabled parking only.

    I'm all in favour of reducing traffic through and in the park, I believe the best way to do this is with car parks on the periphery. I don't believe commuters will park at a Castleknock Gate/Kockmaroon Gate/Ashtown Gate and hike to the Main Gate to get onto the Luas into town.

    Some of the car parks arent beside the gates but are all pretty close, and 2/3 of the routes are now blocked other than access to these car parks. Only the Richmond to Kingston road is open for through traffic, and the Roehampton to Richmond road is only open on weekdays. The rest is blocked, and after the consultation ends is looking likely to stay that way.

    Car parking spaces are broadly comparable to Phoenix Park (1,500 spaces, and is a bigger park with a larger catchment area).

    The principles I think can be very clearly applied to Phoenix Park.....1) zero tolerance of illegal parking 2) only selected roads for through routes (only one through route at the weekend) and 3) gates to provide access to car parks only


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    #1537
    VonLuck
    Registered Users Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Phoenix Park gates to be rehung by the end of July: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/phoenix-park-gates-set-to-be-rehung-after-800-000-restoration-1.4529113


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    #1538
    Larbre34
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    I trust they will be well hung.


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    #1539
    trellheim
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    North road closing from 12 April for 3 months from Garda HQ to Ratra House. No pedestrian access either. See https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/077b1-phoenix-park-north-road-essential-repair-roadworks-april-12-to-june-18-2021/


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    #1540
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    This will be a disaster!
    But suppose it needs doing...


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    #1541
    Joe4321
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 158 ✭✭Joe4321


    Why was this not done as essential work while the park had reduced capacity, now when things are opening up you have a major section of road closed both to traffic and pedestrians, what a joke, can no one plan anything in this country.


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    #1542
    beauf
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    They could do one side and leave the other side open. But they will close the entire road while only working on one small section at at time. Least that's what they normally do.They've even closed it before for roadworks that weren't even on this road.

    They are consistent I'll give them that.

    What they should do is close the road and not resurface it. Let it return to grass and wild meadow. Plant trees and make a new woodland adventure trail.


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    #1543
    beauf
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    Joe4321 wrote: »
    Why was this not done as essential work while the park had reduced capacity, now when things are opening up you have a major section of road closed both to traffic and pedestrians, what a joke, can no one plan anything in this country.

    Perhaps this was the plan. Their objective might not be the same as yours.


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    #1544
    Joe4321
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    It's clear that there plan is to drive cars out of the park, next we will here from the cyclists about how there are too many cars on Chesterfield avenue and demand that all cars be band from the park while this resurfacing is been done, there does not seem to be any joined up thinking in this country and that's very evident from the last year.


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    #1545
    beauf
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    That's been the plan for decades... Nothing new about that.


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    #1546
    IngazZagni
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    Good to see it being repaired. Hopefully they widen the footpath and incorporate a dedicated cycle path. I mean it would be shocking if they're not doing that but it also wouldn't shock me if they don't.
    VonLuck wrote: »
    Phoenix Park gates to be rehung by the end of July: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/phoenix-park-gates-set-to-be-rehung-after-800-000-restoration-1.4529113


    I'll believe it when I see it. It's only taken 3 years and €800,000. They've missed various dates. Yes Covid has delayed things but remember it took them over a year after they removed the gates just to start the tender process!


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    #1547
    VonLuck
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    IngazZagni wrote: »
    Good to see it being repaired. Hopefully they widen the footpath and incorporate a dedicated cycle path. I mean it would be shocking if they're not doing that but it also wouldn't shock me if they don't.

    That's not a part of the proposals unfortunately. This is the scope as described:

    The project involves the removal and disposal of existing road surface and relaying of new road surface, taking up, cleaning and relaying of existing granite kerbs and the removal and disposal of existing footpath and relaying of new footpath surface.

    Other ancillary works will include installation of traffic calming ramps along the 2.5 kilometre stretch of road.

    These works are entirely unrelated to any proposals included In the recently published Phoenix Park Transport and Mobility Options Report.
    IngazZagni wrote: »
    I'll believe it when I see it. It's only taken 3 years and €800,000. They've missed various dates. Yes Covid has delayed things but remember it took them over a year after they removed the gates just to start the tender process!

    It really is strange how long it has taken. How could the refurbishment of gates take 3 years?!


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    #1548
    Stark
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    Maybe they got Cecilia Giménez in to do the refurbishment.


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    #1549
    Larbre34
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    Joe4321 wrote: »
    Why was this not done as essential work while the park had reduced capacity, now when things are opening up you have a major section of road closed both to traffic and pedestrians, what a joke, can no one plan anything in this country.

    Contractors can't work. Emergency works only.

    While you're right that these most severe restrictions will begin to ease in a few weeks, theres no question of things even approaching normal for many months yet, so its as good a time as any to do this work.

    What concerns me is any attempt by the OPW just to chuck in a cul-de-sac at the end of the job as one of these "trials". They had better not try to subvert their own consultation process.


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    #1550
    Daeltaja
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    IngazZagni wrote: »
    I'll believe it when I see it. It's only taken 3 years and €800,000. They've missed various dates. Yes Covid has delayed things but remember it took them over a year after they removed the gates just to start the tender process!

    800k! What are they made of, solid gold?


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    #1551
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Contractors can't work. Emergency works only.

    While you're right that these most severe restrictions will begin to ease in a few weeks, theres no question of things even approaching normal for many months yet, so its as good a time as any to do this work.

    What concerns me is any attempt by the OPW just to chuck in a cul-de-sac at the end of the job as one of these "trials". They had better not try to subvert their own consultation process.

    Be surprised if they didn't. Leopard...spots...


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    #1552
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    Main car park at the Papal Cross apparently now closing at 6pm each day. What about the people stopping off after work in the evenings for a walk or run after work. Makes no sense to me!


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    #1553
    Stark
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    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    Main car park at the Papal Cross apparently now closing at 6pm each day. What about the people stopping off after work in the evenings for a walk or run after work. Makes no sense to me!

    There must be some reason for that, makes no sense that they would start doing that as the evenings are getting longer, it's been open late all winter.


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    #1554
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    ....is there anything to be said for saying another mass...


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    #1555
    daymobrew
    Registered Users Posts: 6,505 ✭✭✭daymobrew


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    Main car park at the Papal Cross apparently now closing at 6pm each day. What about the people stopping off after work in the evenings for a walk or run after work. Makes no sense to me!
    Email them: superintendent.park@opw.ie and ask.


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    #1556
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    daymobrew wrote: »
    Email them: superintendent.park@opw.ie and ask.

    Thanks and I will.


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    #1557
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    The side gates are closed, no parking on chesterfield avenue, papal car park closing early now apparently and in general attempts at removing cars.

    I personally think people will just start going elsewhere and a few years from now we’ll be wondering why the park is so empty.


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    #1558
    beauf
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    They won't because they see it as nature reserve first and an amenity a far distant second.


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    #1559
    Treppen
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    beauf wrote: »
    They won't because they see it as nature reserve first and an amenity a far distant second.

    Ya we really need to preserve those scarce deer... By shooting 30 every year :pac:


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    #1560
    beauf
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    They are expensive so what ever it takes...


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    #1561
    Larbre34
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The side gates are closed, no parking on chesterfield avenue, papal car park closing early now apparently and in general attempts at removing cars.

    I personally think people will just start going elsewhere and a few years from now we’ll be wondering why the park is so empty.

    The side gates aren't closed?

    It was busy in there today but everyone managed to park. I use any of the three carparks on the southern side of the 15 acres and always get a space handy enough. Nice to see it so busy today.


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