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The Mega MK7 & MK8 Golf GTI/GTD/R thread - Part II

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    #752
    [Deleted User]
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    DaveyDave wrote: »
    I remember pricing the outgoing 1 series M Sport auto 136hp and it was a bit more than €40k,..................The monthlies were similar to an R, slightly higher deposit of course ....................

    A actual Golf R or some r spec thing?


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    #753
    theintern
    Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭theintern


    shanec1928 wrote: »
    thats no longer standard on the mk8 gtis either going by the document posted earlier


    Yeah it's an extra in the spec sheet. A cheap extra, but still should be included. The US has been mandating reversing cameras for ages now, every single car has to come with one.
    It feels like previous launches, people who buy the first year will be shafted by having to pay for a load of features that'll come in a "€202 Technology Pack" next year. Just look at some of the very early MK7 GTIs on the road with halogens and no parking sensors.


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    #754
    DaveyDave
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    Augeo wrote: »
    A actual Golf R or some r spec thing?

    An actual R. I don't remember the exact numbers as it was probably 2 years ago but whatever BMW's finance was at the time meant the monthly payment was huge.

    As an example, the current 118i with a few options at €42,500 and a 30% deposit (€12,762) is €363/pm at 1.9% and €500 at 8.9% (37mo, 20,000km). The final payment is quite high so monthlies are lower and equity is questionable but 1.9% is a big difference.

    The M135i with a few options is around €55k, still expensive but a lot less than €62k and nicer interior.


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    #755
    carsfan2
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    I wonder if the BMW pricing is pre budget changes whereas the VW is post budget, so maybe the gap will be smaller come January?


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    #756
    bazz26
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    Yes, you could be right. It wouldn't be unheard of now for pricing or finance rates on the BMW site for incorrect or out of date.


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    #757
    JoeA3
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    carsfan2 wrote: »
    I wonder if the BMW pricing is pre budget changes whereas the VW is post budget, so maybe the gap will be smaller come January?

    Friend of mine is pricing up a 135i and he said the prices on the current configurator are broadly accurate, although it still seems to be showing the NEDC emissions rather than WLTP. The UK configurator shows the WLTP figures.

    Similar to VW, spec'ing larger wheels screws with Co2 on BMW's too, pushing the car up into the next VRT bracket.

    However it looks like the 128 ti is comfortably well under 170g - it's actually in the lower bracket again at under 160g, whereas the GTI is tipping over 170g with 19's!

    The GTI is definitely a bit better spec'd as standard though. You can very easily add 6k+ on options with the BMW just to bring it up to approx parity with the VW, particularly as you are forced to select expensive "packs" even if you only really want one item in said pack.


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    #758
    drunkmonkey
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    BMW made a boo boo on the pricing due to the emissions, M135i is 6k more than it was last week.
    Didn't have to take the packs on the 135i but it forces you to take them on the 128ti.


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    #759
    Casati
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    JoeA3 wrote: »
    Friend of mine is pricing up a 135i and he said the prices on the current configurator are broadly accurate, although it still seems to be showing the NEDC emissions rather than WLTP. The UK configurator shows the WLTP figures.

    Similar to VW, spec'ing larger wheels screws with Co2 on BMW's too, pushing the car up into the next VRT bracket.

    However it looks like the 128 ti is comfortably well under 170g - it's actually in the lower bracket again at under 160g, whereas the GTI is tipping over 170g with 19's!

    The GTI is definitely a bit better spec'd as standard though. You can very easily add 6k+ on options with the BMW just to bring it up to approx parity with the VW, particularly as you are forced to select expensive "packs" even if you only really want one item in said pack.

    Had a quick look at the specs and I think the Beemer is similar if even better spec'd - heated seats standard, half leather. Golf has adaptive cruise but don't think it has a lot else?


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    #760
    carsfan2
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    JoeA3 wrote: »
    Friend of mine is pricing up a 135i and he said the prices on the current configurator are broadly accurate, although it still seems to be showing the NEDC emissions rather than WLTP. The UK configurator shows the WLTP figures.

    Similar to VW, spec'ing larger wheels screws with Co2 on BMW's too, pushing the car up into the next VRT bracket.

    However it looks like the 128 ti is comfortably well under 170g - it's actually in the lower bracket again at under 160g, whereas the GTI is tipping over 170g with 19's!

    The GTI is definitely a bit better spec'd as standard though. You can very easily add 6k+ on options with the BMW just to bring it up to approx parity with the VW, particularly as you are forced to select expensive "packs" even if you only really want one item in said pack.
    Your pal going ahead with one? Are there even any to test drive I wonder?
    Spec wise it seems to me to be dependent on your priorities whether golf is better or not.


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    #761
    Wailin
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    BMW made a boo boo on the pricing due to the emissions, M135i is 6k more than it was last week.
    Didn't have to take the packs on the 135i but it forces you to take them on the 128ti.

    The 135i starts at €52,750 on the configurator. There's no way it was 46-47k last week.


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    #762
    carsfan2
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    Wailin wrote: »
    The 135i starts at €52,750 on the configurator. There's no way it was 46-47k last week.

    It’s been at that for a while
    I’m guessing it’s 58k now post budget.


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    #763
    JoeA3
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    carsfan2 wrote: »
    Your pal going ahead with one? Are there even any to test drive I wonder?
    Spec wise it seems to me to be dependent on your priorities whether golf is better or not.

    He's close to going for it yes. He had a 235i out for an extended test, so that gave him a fair idea of what it would be like.

    The Golf has the following kit which, depending on your priorities, costs a fair whack to spec on the BMW as you need to spec at least 2-3 packs and other bits and pieces:
    - full digital dash
    - keyless entry
    - adaptive LED lights
    - adaptive cruise
    - lane assist
    - lumbar support
    - split rear seat / load through hatch
    - privacy glass

    The Golf doesn't have heated seats but thats just a ~ €300 winter pack.


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    #764
    JoeA3
    Registered Users Posts: 7,441 ✭✭✭JoeA3


    I've had confirmation from VW that the 19" wheel upgrade does not bring the new Clubsport into the higher VRT band. If you ticked every option available, it does not exceed 170g.


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    #765
    carsfan2
    Registered Users Posts: 3,557 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    JoeA3 wrote: »
    I've had confirmation from VW that the 19" wheel upgrade does not bring the new Clubsport into the higher VRT band. If you ticked every option available, it does not exceed 170g.

    You tempted?
    Any idea what sort of deals are on offer?


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    #766
    JoeA3
    Registered Users Posts: 7,441 ✭✭✭JoeA3


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    You tempted?
    Any idea what sort of deals are on offer?

    I am and I am not. I'm in the fortunate position of not needing a car right now or certainly in no rush to have one so I'll think about it for a bit.

    I didn't get into talking about deals at all yet, just that the PCP APR is currently at 1.9%.


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    #767
    carsfan2
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    Well I am guessing that there will be 3k plus discount at least available on the VW.
    I always found it harder to get much from BMW in comparison.


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    #768
    Wailin
    Registered Users Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭Wailin


    What type of warranty do you get with VW, 3 yrs?


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    #769
    JoeA3
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    Wailin wrote: »
    What type of warranty do you get with VW, 3 yrs?

    Yes, typically 3 years across the board afaik.


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    #770
    drunkmonkey
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    How much is the Clubsport here?


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    #771
    carsfan2
    Registered Users Posts: 3,557 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    How is the Clubsport here?

    What do you mean?
    How much? 53k ish


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    #772
    JoeA3
    Registered Users Posts: 7,441 ✭✭✭JoeA3


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    What do you mean?
    How much? 53k ish

    Yeah about that. It's really the replacement for the PP and not the limited edition that the CS was in the previous iteration. It's probably the one to go for and the one that would be more sought after in the eventual used market.


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    #773
    ILikeBoats
    Registered Users Posts: 2,519 ✭✭✭ILikeBoats


    JoeA3 wrote: »
    It's really the replacement for the PP and not the limited edition that the CS was

    Yeah, that's probably the best way to look at it.


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    #774
    JoeA3
    Registered Users Posts: 7,441 ✭✭✭JoeA3


    Back to the BMW 128 Ti for a moment, I had my friend who's looking at the 135i enquire about the pricing on this too. It's definitely not the cheaper-than-the-GTI option that the press releases would have you believe! Before you tick a single option, its currently 44k + delivery. But there's a "VRT price increase" of over 4k from January, so that brings the car up to about 49.5k before you pick the paint...


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    #775
    carsfan2
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    JoeA3 wrote: »
    Back to the BMW 128 Ti for a moment, I had my friend who's looking at the 135i enquire about the pricing on this too. It's definitely not the cheaper-than-the-GTI option that the press releases would have you believe! Before you tick a single option, its currently 44k + delivery. But there's a "VRT price increase" of over 4k from January, so that brings the car up to about 49.5k before you pick the paint...
    That’s bad news.
    Has the m135i gone up a few grand too so?
    The vrt changes are doing what they were designed for I suppose and pushing nice petrol cars off the menu.


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    #776
    JoeA3
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    carsfan2 wrote: »
    That’s bad news.
    Has the m135i gone up a few grand too so?
    The vrt changes are doing what they were designed for I suppose and pushing nice petrol cars off the menu.

    I don't have exact figures on the m135 but its ballpark 6.5k more than the Ti. So the gap between them isn't huge when you consider the extra power, xDrive, slightly better spec.


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    #777
    SaintsYB
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    Would the amount that performance Golfs seem to be stolen or have parts stolen from them put anyone off buying one? I'm looking to get either an R or GTI or M140i but the amount it seems to be posted about on the Autostadt Facebook group is a bit off putting.


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    #778
    JoeA3
    Registered Users Posts: 7,441 ✭✭✭JoeA3


    SaintsYB wrote: »
    Would the amount that performance Golfs seem to be stolen or have parts stolen from them put anyone off buying one? I'm looking to get either an R or GTI or M140i but the amount it seems to be posted about on the Autostadt Facebook group is a bit off putting.

    Yeah its off-putting, but I haven't noticed many reports of this kind of thing in recent times. The BMW would certainly fly under the radar a lot more.


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    #779
    SaintsYB
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    JoeA3 wrote: »
    Yeah its off-putting, but I haven't noticed many reports of this kind of thing in recent times. The BMW would certainly fly under the radar a lot more.

    I know you had a few incidents Joe with the R. I guess it’s a thing where it maybe seems more common because it’s posted about a fair bit but people aren’t posted about the absolutely normal ownership experiences where nothing happened.


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    #780
    hooch-85
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    A lot depends on your location and where the car would be parked.


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    #781
    JoeA3
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    SaintsYB wrote: »
    I know you had a few incidents Joe with the R. I guess it’s a thing where it maybe seems more common because it’s posted about a fair bit but people aren’t posted about the absolutely normal ownership experiences where nothing happened.

    There was definitely a spate of incidents around that time. I have a colleague who had a run of the mill diesel Golf have his bumpers stolen over night. It does seem to have quietened down a bit since then.

    Would I consider a flashy Golf if I still lived in a house with an unsecured open driveway? No.


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