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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP
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ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »To be fair there is a large difference between controlled, migration to work (or within the EU) and uncontrolled migration.
I dont think anyone has an issue with controlled migration
I do.
It depends on who is being encouraged to be admitted, and how they're being managed after admittance. I generally don't have a problem with people who have the skills/education to live independent of any State support. That kind of immigration is generally a good thing... although Europe has seen a variety of problems with the following generations, which is why I'd like to see a better, more effective system for integration and support.
If we're expected to take in 1mill plus refugees, who don't speak English, don't have any useful skills (and so needs extensive time for education), might have medical or psychological issues, or dubious connections to militant groups, then we really take a moment to consider what's going to happen to Ireland. 50,000 people each year. That's a massive drain on resources, providing welfare, education, medical supports, etc. and there's no guarantee that there will be jobs for them. None. We're entering our own period of where jobs, popular with low income groups, will decline.
It doesn't matter what the EU or the UN provides Ireland.. it won't be enough to cover the costs of those migrants. The cost of supporting these migrants will be taken away from the current population, and from Irish people themselves(in services and tax). So.. what's the net benefit?0 -
Deleted User wrote: »I do.
It depends on who is being encouraged to be admitted, and how they're being managed after admittance. I generally don't have a problem with people who have the skills/education to live independent of any State support. That kind of immigration is generally a good thing... although Europe has seen a variety of problems with the following generations, which is why I'd like to see a better, more effective system for integration and support.
If we're expected to take in 1mill plus refugees, who don't speak English, don't have any useful skills (and so needs extensive time for education), might have medical or psychological issues, or dubious connections to militant groups, then we really take a moment to consider what's going to happen to Ireland. 50,000 people each year. That's a massive drain on resources, providing welfare, education, medical supports, etc. and there's no guarantee that there will be jobs for them. None. We're entering our own period of where jobs, popular with low income groups, will decline.
It doesn't matter what the EU or the UN provides Ireland.. it won't be enough to cover the costs of those migrants. The cost of supporting these migrants will be taken away from the current population, and from Irish people themselves. So.. what's the net benefit?
But do you?
You have an issue with the current controls, not controlled migration itself.0 -
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Looking at following ESRI report it clearly sums up this thread succinctly.
Attitudes to Diversity in Ireland (March 2018)
https://www.ihrec.ie/app/uploads/2018/03/Attitudes-to-diversity-in-Ireland.pdf
“Attitudes to immigration and to ethnic diversity differ across social groups. Those with higher levels of education hold much more positive attitudes about the impact of immigration than those with lower levels of education. A number of explanations are discussed in the report, such as the fact that those with higher levels of education tend to be in a financially more secure position, as well as the potential ‘liberalising’ effect of higher education. Those in financial difficulty have more negative attitudes, which is consistent with the argument that this group is more likely to be in competition with migrants for jobs and social benefits/services.”
“The strong effects of financial difficulty and lower educational attainment on attitudes suggest that tackling poverty and poor educational achievement is therefore an important strategy in promoting greater social cohesion between native and immigrant groups. Attitudes to immigration are becoming more positive again with economic recovery but spreading the gains equally is important in terms of reducing perceived threats and prejudice.”
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Yet much of the same people who fear other cultures – namely the working-class Irish. Also fear and/or are not in tune with their own Irish culture in the main. A stark example is the Irish language. Barring exceptions like Gaelscoil Chluain Dolcáin and so on.
My view in corroborated by another ESRI report on attitudes to the Irish language in Ireland.
Attitudes towards the Irish Language on the Island of Ireland (2015)
https://www.esri.ie/system/files/publications/BKMNEXT294_Vol%201.pdf
Wherein it mentions the Irish language survey of 2013:
“Respondents who reported wanting to learn Irish for its own sake were more likely to use Irish currently than those who
learned the language primarily to pass exams, demonstrating the importance of intrinsic motivation in language learning. Fluency and usage of the language were associated with other background characteristics such as higher socio-economic background, higher levels of education, and religion (being Catholic)”
It further states in the ESRI report on attitudes to the Irish language:
“International research indicates that more highly educated parents are more supportive of their children learning an additional language to their mother tongue (Montero et al., 2014).
The education level of parents varied significantly across school types. Figure 5.1 indicates that more educated parents are more likely to choose an Irish-medium primary school for their children outside the Gaeltacht area. Fourteen per cent of parents with a post-graduate degree had chosen Irish-medium schools (6 per cent of such parents chose English medium and 4 per cent Gaeltacht schools).”
There is a definite contradiction and lack of self-awareness of those from lower socio-economic backgrounds in Ireland who have a negative/distant attitude towards the Irish language. Yet at same time many are fearful of other migrant cultures coming to Ireland.
Am I the only one who finds the irony amusing?
Or is it too close to the bone?
As I have already said this backs up my personal experiences, where it is non-Irish born adults who are more open to learning the Irish language, than many working class Irish. Free of baggage and just learn it as a language of communication and for fun. If anyone really wants to understand Irishness you need only look at the language. There are many phrases that are not present in the English language.
Such as the phrase for grudge which is ‘cloch sa mhuinchille’ which literally means ‘stone in sleeve’. A lovely way of putting it!
I think people need to examine their conscience and ask themselves why do the have a grudge against migrants and multiculturalism? And why is it the many of those same people who also have a grudge against their own Irish language?
It is time people stopped hiding those stones in their sleeves.
An bhfuil cloch sa mhuinchille a bheith agat do dhuine ó tir eile, gan cuis maith?
Ma tá, cén fath?Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.
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Looking at an educational attainment report from the CSO 2019:
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/eda/educationalattainmentthematicreport2019/
Education level by nationality - non-Irish nationals have higher education levels
"Irish nationals had a lower educational attainment profile than non-Irish nationals. In Q2 2019, over four in ten Irish nationals (45%) aged 25-64 years old had a third level qualification. In comparison, the other EU15 states (excluding Ireland and the UK) had a third level attainment rate of 72% and other nationalities (non EU28 nationalities) were at 69%. The only nationality group with a lower rate of third level attainment than Irish nationals was the group of nationals from the EU15-28 member states at 40%. See Table 3 and Figure 4."
Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.
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gormdubhgorm wrote: »Looking at an educational attainment report from the CSO 2019:
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/eda/educationalattainmentthematicreport2019/
Education level by nationality - non-Irish nationals have higher education levels
"Irish nationals had a lower educational attainment profile than non-Irish nationals. In Q2 2019, over four in ten Irish nationals (45%) aged 25-64 years old had a third level qualification. In comparison, the other EU15 states (excluding Ireland and the UK) had a third level attainment rate of 72% and other nationalities (non EU28 nationalities) were at 69%. The only nationality group with a lower rate of third level attainment than Irish nationals was the group of nationals from the EU15-28 member states at 40%. See Table 3 and Figure 4."
I said the same thing a few pages back. Non-EU migrants tend to have high education levels even if you isolate groups such as African migrants. However, this is a crude analysis and it doesn't take into account age. Migrants are much younger than Irish people. Education is not always helpful for employment and the massive unemployment in some non-EU migrants groups confirms that their education is not being valued by the Irish labour market. This might be because education in poor countries is often weak, even at the university level. It could also be that the refugee process is selecting for people with degrees that are useless in Ireland. It could also be that allowing people to appeal rejected refugee applications deskills people as they wait in limbo for years. Which is another reason to have a tougher asylum system that is more willing to deport failed applicants.0 -
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macpaccrack wrote: »Theres a search function :rolleyes:
The bar for modship here must be really low with Einstein's like Biko
You're trying to shame others for their beliefs, yet a quick look at your posting history shows that you support political violence against people that you don't like, under the guise of "fighting fascism". People like you have no right to try and shame others, certainly not here anyway, as not one posters here thinks it's just to beat people up over politics.“The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”-― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov0 -
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