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Madeleine Birchfield

[Deleted User] wrote: »

History shows otherwise rather you and your liberal leftie buddies like it or not.
Isnt gang wars and terrorism war?whats next you think?A peace treaty?

Ireland was literally born from liberal leftie buddies, if you want to take that route. What else would you call a socialist IRA who wanted multiculturalism between ethnic Irish Catholics and ethnic British Protestant Ulster Unionists under Irish Home Rule and fought a war of independence against the British a hundred years ago?

Madeleine Birchfield

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

Ireland was literally born from liberal leftie buddies, if you want to take that route. What else would you call a socialist IRA who wanted multiculturalism between ethnic Irish Catholics and ethnic British Protestant Ulster Unionists under Irish Home Rule and fought a war of independence against the British a hundred years ago?

Who said anything about Ireland?I am talking about Europe in general?

Wibbs

2u2me wrote: »

Correlation is not causation. That is rather flippant of you Wibbs. Do you have no understanding of history and culture?

It seems more than you do.

There is no other place in the world that for so long said


And they took them, and they integrated and they worked.

They needed them to build the country, which is fine, but it was hardly charity and the American worker was exploited hard for a very long time.

America is the most powerful country ever seen in such a short space of time; this wasn't built on slavery. It was built on innovation and freedom. Hollywood, Spacecraft, Engineering, Science, Politics, Finance, Petro-dollar, pharmaceuticals, corporations, agricultural chemicals, nuclear tech, battery tech, Scientific endeavour- USA has been leading all of these fields for such a long time, do you forget from where these fruits came? Very few of these could be argued were 'built on slavery'; that is a farce. Of course it is how these things are used. Nuclear power can save our species but it can also destroy it.

Man you've really swallowed the American Dream(tm) Kool Aid alright. America's star waxed during and especially after World War Two and stared to wane after the 1970's. It's still up there, but only just, so not so long at all actually. Maybe it seems long to the American mind? Somewhat understandable to be fair. That you can lump so many subjects into the American Dream is also impressive, if dubious. Hell they got spacecraft because the brought in those "huddled masses" of ex card carrying members of the German nazi party. Card carrying ex nazi who used slave labour to build his German wonder weapons Werner Von Braun promoting space in Disney movies is so very "American" too. That you can claim America's lead in politics is comical if it weren't so tragic. One could argue similarly for finance. Agricultural chemicals would be up there too. Though both that and pharmaceuticals were a German thing for longer than they have been an American one and Sweden has had a corporation going since the 13th century.

My argument is that USA can only 'accept the poor and the huddled masses' as long as there is social mobility(which there doesn't seem to be anymore- this is what has changed). The ones that were already accepted have long ago fit in.

And yet America has and continues to have pretty serious fault lines along the geography of race and it doesn't seem to be going away any time soon. The damned coronavirus showed it up quite well, with more Black and minorities catching and dying from it.

And here we have yet another example of great multiculturism in Europe.
Another knife attack in Reading,United kingdom.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/21/reading-stabbings-park-three-dead-killed-knife-attack/

Galwayguy35

It's failed in the UK, France, Sweden and Germany, did anyone really think Ireland was going to be any different?

We give a platform to haters like Ebun Joseph, a person who came knocking on our door begging to get in and now does nothing only criticize the country who gave her citizenship and even created a 100 k job for her.

But those with the power to stop the madness before we end up like the countries mentioned are determined to lead us down the same road so its not going to end well for those in urban areas were most of the migrants want to live.

jaxxx

Disclaimer: this is a joke. Anyone that's more than 1% likely to get offended by this, do us all a favour and staple your fingers together (and your legs while you're at it, though how you'd go about stapling your legs together.. .. .. mind you not so sure you could staple your fingers either but sure!). Jesus. What a time to be alive eh!

Maybe it needs a thread of it's own but there seems to be a disturbingly large amount of videos on twitter of black people viciously beating white people. What the hell is that all about?

Is that something we get to look forward to in the coming years here in Ireland too.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe it needs a thread of it's own but there seems to be a disturbingly large amount of videos on twitter of black people viciously beating white people. What the hell is that all about?

Is that something we get to look forward to in the coming years here in Ireland too.

The difference is when black people is beating up white people its blessed in the media and no further action is taken,but when white people are beating up black people its racism and immidiate action is taken.

Experience_day

I guess the fundamental question to the title of this thread has to be asked:

How does it benefit Ireland? If you can answer that positively and honestly then cool. Personally I struggle to find any such answer...

2u2me

Wibbs wrote: »

They needed them to build the country, which is fine, but it was hardly charity and the American worker was exploited hard for a very long time.

So why are you disagreeing with me? If you go back to the first time you took issue with my post I was talking about people mixing. Why don't you go back to the first post of mine you chose to reply to and see what I was replying to.

US2 wrote: »

Is there one example in the history of the planet where different cultures have mixed successfully, think about it.

2u2me wrote: »

It depends what you mean by mix.

It was about people mixing.
Is that what you're arguing seriously; that people can't mix? Define what you mean by mix then and I then I can begin in this actual argument because as of yet I have no idea what you're arguing against. I have no interest in arguing history with you.

Man you've really swallowed the American Dream(tm) Kool Aid alright. America's star waxed during and especially after World War Two and stared to wane after the 1970's. It's still up there, but only just, so not so long at all actually. Maybe it seems long to the American mind? Somewhat understandable to be fair. That you can lump so many subjects into the American Dream is also impressive, if dubious. Hell they got spacecraft because the brought in those "huddled masses" of ex card carrying members of the German nazi party. Card carrying ex nazi who used slave labour to build his German wonder weapons Werner Von Braun promoting space in Disney movies is so very "American" too. That you can claim America's lead in politics is comical if it weren't so tragic. One could argue similarly for finance. Agricultural chemicals would be up there too. Though both that and pharmaceuticals were a German thing for longer than they have been an American one and Sweden has had a corporation going since the 13th century.

And yet America has and continues to have pretty serious fault lines along the geography of race and it doesn't seem to be going away any time soon. The damned coronavirus showed it up quite well, with more Black and minorities catching and dying from it.

All of that was because people mixed. and no other reason. Do you seriously expect me to buy that?

Richard Hillman

Seems like Germany are having serious problems in keeping certain areas locked down, leading to rioting and the virus is spreading again.

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0621/1148783-germany-virus-infections/


I was a believer that Sweden didn't go for the lockdown approach because they knew they wouldn't be able to handle "Certain Areas".

Clarence Boddiker

jaxxx wrote: »

Disclaimer: this is a joke. Anyone that's more than 1% likely to get offended by this, do us all a favour and staple your fingers together (and your legs while you're at it, though how you'd go about stapling your legs together.. .. .. mind you not so sure you could staple your fingers either but sure!). Jesus. What a time to be alive eh!

64% of net new jobs created in Ireland since 2005 have gone to Non Nationals.

olestoepoke

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

64% of net new jobs created in Ireland since 2005 have gone to Non Nationals.

I applaud the immigrants who come and work here and contribute to society. I and many other Irish around the world did the very same thing in London, Boston, NY, Sydney etc. What I find hard to swallow is the immigrants here gaming the system and sponging off us.

Clarence Boddiker

Heres whats on the Govt website in relation to Children and Childcare

Something about this image, I can't quite put my finger on it?

There doesn't seem to be any White man/White Woman couples on it...no agenda I'm sure.

Eric Cartman

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

Heres whats on the Govt website in relation to Children and Childcare

Something about this image, I can't quite put my finger on it?

There doesn't seem to be any White man/White Woman couples on it...no agenda I'm sure.

there is some weird obsession that graphic design firms have with white women and non white men.

Clarence Boddiker

Eric Cartman wrote: »

there is some weird obsession that graphic design firms have with white women and non white men.

You think its just a weird obsession?

Personally I think there's something more to it.

Bobblehats

Bit of a pattern there alright ..

Clarence Boddiker

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

Heres whats on the Govt website in relation to Children and Childcare

Something about this image, I can't quite put my finger on it?

There doesn't seem to be any White man/White Woman couples on it...no agenda I'm sure.

We all know what way this is going
Diverisity is our strenght you know
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/feb/05/barnes-and-noble-diverse-classics-backlash

Rick Dees

Many of us in Ireland who are naturalised citizens don't have major party's that have a manifesto that suits our opinion and views. Until that changes and we get a proper conservative party it will continue to be liberal and rainbow.

_Brian

olestoepoke wrote: »

I applaud the immigrants who come and work here and contribute to society. I and many other Irish around the world did the very same thing in London, Boston, NY, Sydney etc. What I find hard to swallow is the immigrants here gaming the system and sponging off us.

Do you find immigrants sponging a harder situation than Irish people sponging ??

Eric Cartman

_Brian wrote: »

Do you find immigrants sponging a harder situation than Irish people sponging ??

the great thing about fiscal conservatism is, you can hate both while still acknowledging that you can stop one group by closing a border.

olestoepoke

_Brian wrote: »

Do you find immigrants sponging a harder situation than Irish people sponging ??

I feel the same way about anyone sponging regardless of where they are from.

Dyr

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

Ireland was literally born from liberal leftie buddies, if you want to take that route. What else would you call a socialist IRA who wanted multiculturalism between ethnic Irish Catholics and ethnic British Protestant Ulster Unionists under Irish Home Rule and fought a war of independence against the British a hundred years ago?

Have you seen the manifesto Sinn Fein ran on in 1918?

"Ireland is faced with the question whether this generation wills it that she is to march out into the full sunlight of freedom, or is to remain in the shadow of a base imperialism that has brought and ever will bring in its train naught but evil for our race."

"Based on our unbroken tradition of nationhood, on a unity in a national name which has never been challenged, on our possession of a distinctive national culture and social order, on the moral courage and dignity of our people in the face of alien aggression.... On these incontrovertible facts is based the claim that our people have beyond question established the right to be accorded all the power of a free nation.

No mention of multi culturalism in the whole document, it would be considered populist nationalism now. All it offered was all that should be ever offered, equal rights and equal opportunities.

The only common ground the various faction in Sinn Fein and the IRA had was Nationalism. You had some of the most conservative politicians and soldiers in Ireland in the ranks of the republican movement, along with radical left wing types, and the conservatives won power.

Clarence Boddiker

Bambi wrote: »

Have you seen the manifesto Sinn Fein ran on in 1918?

"Ireland is faced with the question whether this generation wills it that she is to march out into the full sunlight of freedom, or is to remain in the shadow of a base imperialism that has brought and ever will bring in its train naught but evil for our race."

"Based on our unbroken tradition of nationhood, on a unity in a national name which has never been challenged, on our possession of a distinctive national culture and social order, on the moral courage and dignity of our people in the face of alien aggression.... On these incontrovertible facts is based the claim that our people have beyond question established the right to be accorded all the power of a free nation.

No mention of multi culturalism in the whole document, it would be considered populist nationalism now. All it offered was all that should be ever offered, equal rights and equal opportunities.

The only common ground the various faction in Sinn Fein and the IRA had was Nationalism. You had some of the most conservative politicians and soldiers in Ireland in the ranks of the republican movement, along with radical left wing types, and the conservatives won power.

It's a complete rewriting of history to say that the original Republicans aspired to a Multicultural nation. But this is where we are now, with the likes of some in Sinn Fein claiming that the men of 1916 fought for LGBT rights.

Geuze

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

Heres whats on the Govt website in relation to Children and Childcare

Something about this image, I can't quite put my finger on it?

There doesn't seem to be any White man/White Woman couples on it...no agenda I'm sure.

This is what I don't like.

The media/Irish Times/Civil service in this case, are trying to make us accept it.

Do the Japanese childcare posters have Celtic children in them, or Mexican children?

Irish Times / RTE, St. Patrick's Day - African child in photo - I wonder if I go to the national public holiday in Turkey, will the local media have a photograph of a Bolivian child, or a British child?

These people seem to want an end to the nation-state, they seem to hate nationalism?

If I land into China, am I Chinese? Obviously not.

Yet an African who arrives here, is labelled "new-Irish" by RTE/Irish Times.

ExMachina1000

Geuze wrote: »

This is what I don't like.

The media/Irish Times/Civil service in this case, are trying to make us accept it.

Do the Japanese childcare posters have Celtic children in them, or Mexican children?

Irish Times / RTE, St. Patrick's Day - African child in photo - I wonder if I go to the national public holiday in Turkey, will the local media have a photograph of a Bolivian child, or a British child?

These people seem to want an end to the nation-state, they seem to hate nationalism?

If I land into China, am I Chinese? Obviously not.

Yet an African who arrives here, is labelled "new-Irish" by RTE/Irish Times.

These people can be gotten at.

Geuze

Geuze wrote: »

This is what I don't like.

The media/Irish Times/Civil service in this case, are trying to make us accept it.

Do the Japanese childcare posters have Celtic children in them, or Mexican children?

Irish Times / RTE, St. Patrick's Day - African child in photo - I wonder if I go to the national public holiday in Turkey, will the local media have a photograph of a Bolivian child, or a British child?

These people seem to want an end to the nation-state, they seem to hate nationalism?

If I land into China, am I Chinese? Obviously not.

Yet an African who arrives here, is labelled "new-Irish" by RTE/Irish Times.

Its actually worse over in the UK
They are trying to change history with diveristy.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/12/black-people-presence-in-british-history-for-centuries

https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2017/aug/07/mary-beard-romans-ancient-evidence

kravmaga

Bambi wrote: »

The wounds the Koreans caused by having the temerity defend their stores from Black looters?

Damn racist Koreans :mad:

Roof Koreans you mean.:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-whNp39BcYc

1800_Ladladlad

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

Heres whats on the Govt website in relation to Children and Childcare

Something about this image, I can't quite put my finger on it?

There doesn't seem to be any White man/White Woman couples on it...no agenda I'm sure.

Blatantly obvious what they are doing and it's being forced upon us. Its funny how I never see a black man and an asian women or an India man and asian woman or visa versa

Phat Cat

Eric Cartman wrote: »

there is some weird obsession that graphic design firms have with white women and non white men.

It's strange alright and there certainly seems to be some sort of agenda going on, even government departments are trotting out ads like this one.