What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

bubblypop

bubblypop wrote: »

But you seem to think we have no details of non EU immigrants, not true, all non EU immigrants have to get in with a visa or as a refugee or asylum seeker.
So, how do you think there are thousands here that we don't know? How are they getting in?

Where did I say that?

MikeOxsgreen

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Bubbypop, might be just better to acknowledge there's 1000s of nonEU nationals in the state, and we have no idea who or where they are, or when they got here, and maybe less filibustering.

Movemnet of EU citizens are a separate matter.

Here you go
Thousands of non EU nationals in the state that we don't know.
But we do know them, because we had to know them for them to get into the State.

bubblypop

bubblypop wrote: »

Here you go
Thousands of non EU nationals in the state that we don't know.
But we do know them, because we had to know them for them to get into the State.

No we dont

bubblypop

bubblypop wrote: »

Here you go
Thousands of non EU nationals in the state that we don't know.
But we do know them, because we had to know them for them to get into the State.

This is like arguing with a religious nut and their evidence for gods existence is because he said he exists....

bubblypop wrote: »

They complain about non EU immigrants, even though we know exactly how many and who the non EU persons.living here are.

"Exactly"
Not "approximately". Or "we've an estimate".
But "exactly"

We've a sieve of a border.
Here's just three recent articles from Google of lads being found in lorries.

https://m.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/truck-driver-arrested-after-two-illegal-immigrants-were-found-hiding-in-sleeper-cab-at-rosslare-europort-39798391.html

https://www.thejournal.ie/clondalkin-ballyfermot-illegal-immigrants-5276648-Nov2020/

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30965863.html

MikeOxsgreen

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

"Exactly"
Not "approximately". Or "we've an estimate".
But "exactly"

We have an idea of the numbers because many of them have been caught by the Gardai working illegally, or trying to claim benefits. The problem being that there's no political will to deport illegals, and so they're let go with their details being taken. That's it. You break our immigration laws and you're allowed back into society.

Fandymo

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

This is like arguing with a religious nut and their evidence for gods existence is because he said he exists....




"Exactly"
Not "approximately". Or "we've an estimate".
But "exactly"

We've a sieve of a border.
Here's just three recent articles from Google of lads being found in lorries.

https://m.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/truck-driver-arrested-after-two-illegal-immigrants-were-found-hiding-in-sleeper-cab-at-rosslare-europort-39798391.html

https://www.thejournal.ie/clondalkin-ballyfermot-illegal-immigrants-5276648-Nov2020/

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30965863.html

You’re wasting your time.

Anyone in the U.K., from any country in the world, can get to Belfast and jump on a bus and be in Dublin in 3 hours, with no stops for visas, no passport controls, nothing. But the government knows “exactly” who’s here through some kind of osmosis or something.

Cordell

Cordell wrote: »

I can't speak about others but I'm very unapologetic about my cultural racism.

Actually, I don't appreciate the term. It's intended to guilt trip people into thinking there is something wrong with it.
Let's call it "objective cultural evaluation"

*I'm perfectly aware that I quoted myself.

Cordell

Cordell wrote: »

Actually, I don't appreciate the term. It's intended to guilt trip people into thinking there is something wrong with it.
Let's call it "objective cultural evaluation"

*I'm perfectly aware that I quoted myself.

I agree. There's a lovely phrase I picked up years ago. "Language structures consciousness", and it applies well here. The use of language affects the associations we make and the manner of our understanding.

Linking racism to criticism of a culture is ridiculous and should be challenged at every opportunity. Same with the phrases like mansplaining, or whatever new term is introduced to set the narrative and marginalise others opinions on a topic. We have seen how various movements have sought to alter the meanings of words or invent new ones to benefit themselves (usually with a massive application of double standards). This is more of the same.

Sociology should be taken with an extreme pinch of salt. There are layers of biases and agendas within the whole "discipline", especially if people consider that sociology is where Radical Feminism and race theorists found a place to develop their theories, but present them as fact.

Fandymo

Fandymo wrote: »

You’re wasting your time.

Anyone in the U.K., from any country in the world, can get to Belfast and jump on a bus and be in Dublin in 3 hours, with no stops for visas, no passport controls, nothing. But the government knows “exactly” who’s here through some kind of osmosis or something.

So, you agree with me then, as I said, anyone from the EU or UK can come right on in, noone here knows anything about them.
Any non EU immigrants coming to Ireland are known.

Fandymo

bubblypop wrote: »

So, you agree with me then, as I said, anyone from the EU or UK can come right on in, noone here knows anything about them.
Any non EU immigrants coming to Ireland are known.

As I said pointless engaging with you.

It does not matter if someone is from Ghana (non-EU), Mongolia (non-EU), Australia (non-EU), China (non-EU), Pakistan (non-EU). Pick LITERALLY any non-EU country world wide. If they can get to the U.K., they can enter Ireland with no visa, no passport control, no oversight.

Nothing.

Just like the guy who murdered Yosuke Sasaki. Strolled in, no bother.

Are you really unable to see that? Or just on the wind up??

Fandymo

Fandymo wrote: »

As I said pointless engaging with you.

It does not matter if someone is from Ghana (non-EU), Mongolia (non-EU), Australia (non-EU), China (non-EU), Pakistan (non-EU). Pick LITERALLY any non-EU country world wide. If they can get to the U.K., they can enter Ireland with no visa, no passport control, no oversight.

Nothing.

Just like the guy who murdered Yosuke Sasaki. Strolled in, no bother.

Are you really unable to see that? Or just on the wind up??

But sure that's what I have been saying all the time.
There is no restrictions or regulation for anyone coming into the country from the UK or EU.

Do you think we should close the common travel area?

bubblypop

bubblypop wrote: »

Any non EU immigrants coming to Ireland are known.

You keep saying this as if it true.

The mother of all tautologies, but the nonEU ones we know about is because we know about them because they told us, or were picked up by state services.

Or to paraphrase Rumsfield, there are known knowns, known unknowns and unknown unknowns.

enricoh

Fandymo wrote: »

As I said pointless engaging with you.

It does not matter if someone is from Ghana (non-EU), Mongolia (non-EU), Australia (non-EU), China (non-EU), Pakistan (non-EU). Pick LITERALLY any non-EU country world wide. If they can get to the U.K., they can enter Ireland with no visa, no passport control, no oversight.

Nothing.

Just like the guy who murdered Yosuke Sasaki. Strolled in, no bother.

Are you really unable to see that? Or just on the wind up??

Iirc the fella that went on the stabbing spree in dundalk had come to the cops attention beforehand. The cops told him to make his way to dublin and report to immigration and went on their merry way! Fairly reassessing stuff!

So, it appears like posters have finally realised that non EU immigrants to the state are not a major issue.
Anyone can come here from the UK or EU without even registering their residency.
Non EU migrants to Ireland are all registered and known.

So, so all posters believe we should get rid of the common travel area? Or don't agree with freedom of movement within the EU?

Wibbs

You have been called out for these posts by the main moderators before, Wibbs:

He's as much a "main moderator" as I am and even when asked direct and concise questions around the points raised no answers were forthcoming.

Interesting new revised stats from the migration observatory at Oxford University. Looks like non-EU immigration is less than previously thought as changes the British government have made have been more effective than thought over the last 9 years. Inversely EU immigration was actually greater but this can now be controlled going forward now that they are removed from the EU.

Good news for the UK, now if only our own government would follow suit and implement proper procedures.

The paper is available on their website.

Mic 1972

Apparently Amazon has been sending emails to employees to celebrate Islam

Kermit.de.frog

I'm always amazed at the lack of self and moral awareness on the left with whom their targets primarily tend to be.

If a Christian religion so much as sneezes in a way they deem unacceptable they all go after the churches.

Islam?

There is an amazing double standard.

I can't put my finger on why that is. Are they just afraid?

Imagine if Amazon sent out emails celebrating Easter or whatever. They'd hit the roof.

Mic 1972

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640873#Comment_117640873

i can't share it as it was sent to me on whatsapp by friends working for Amazon.

it's about Festival or the Feast of the Sacrifice, devotion to Allah.

i'm speechless looking at it

Marcos

Well, well, well, it looks like Sweden has turned the corner and is finally doing something to limit their migration laws. This quote is from the relevant euronews article:

New migration rules have come into effect in Sweden, making residence permits for refugees time-limited in the first instance instead of permanent.

The law was approved by the Swedish parliament last month. It replaces temporary legislation that was brought in five years ago in a bid to bring down record numbers of asylum requests.

Before the changes in 2016, since 1984 the Scandinavian country always issued permanent residency permits to refugees and asylum seekers as a rule of thumb.

The new rules, put forward by the Social Democrat-Green government in late April, turn this norm on its head. Permits will only be renewed if the circumstances under which they were first issued still apply.

I have no idea how to quote in this new system so have bolded the text instead.

Maybe the Swedes have finally recognised that too much multiculturalism is not a good thing?

maik3n

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117641096#Comment_117641096

You must scare easily. It's probably just some generic email marking Eid al-Adha which is on this week. There's a good chance some of their employees would be Muslim. I'm sure they have done the same thing many times before for Passover, Rosh Hashanah, Easter, Christmas, Pride etc. It's virtue signalling rather than indoctrination........... although I'm sure many would argue there is no difference. 😀

Mic 1972

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117641270#Comment_117641270

I never spoke about indoctrination.

yes it's virtue signalling, and it's as hypocritical and fake as it can possibly be, considering that Amazon is also promoting LGTB rights, that sit at the opposite end of civil rights spectrum compared to Islam

Can't see any issue with Amazon, apart from the way they treat their employees!

so what if they send happy festival messages to any of all religions?

RobbieTheRobber

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640873#Comment_117640873

Are amazon just the left or the far left frog?

https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/jul/21/i-was-shocked-alcohol-free-drinks-create-conundrum-for-young-muslims

Does that type of thinking fit in?

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117641102#Comment_117641102

While that sounds good, I wonder how it will work in practice. It'll probably mean first instance decisions are given a period of 2-5 years right to stay and then permanent status almost guaranteed after that.

Remember Merkel said the refugees arriving in 2015 were expected to go home eventually, in reality that never happens for the vast overwhelming majority of cases. Same in Ireland where politicians declare that these people have huge amounts to offer to Ireland for the future generations, where in reality they should be using the process for what it is meant for, protection while it is needed and then a return home.

The system is broken beyond belief. It would be interesting to get statistics on the millions who have arrived in Europe in the last decade who were given protection and subsequently removed once their protection was no longer deemed necessary. I've never been able to get these figures though.

Cordell

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117643813#Comment_117643813

I can bet they never send any for the eastern Easter date (or even the western one) and the one for Christmas doesn't refer to Christmas - not woke enough.

RobbieTheRobber

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117646374#Comment_117646374

It doesn't belong in this thread or can you link it to the thread title somehow?

But then again it might fit in this thread if posters where just using this thread to post any old crap link about things they hate islam for.

So Blind do you think it belongs here?

I see the UK government are also moving ahead with charter flights to deport those with no rights to stay in the UK. Usually challenges from the legal profession are preventing some being removed to Zimbabwe right now, hopefully the government stand firm. More flights planned to Jamaica and Vietnam soon.

Every single person with no right to remain should be removed.

Quantum Erasure

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117646374#Comment_117646374

Article from Australia, "Every month is 'dry July’ for Muslims", hmmm, a southern hemisphere dry January...

It doesn't belong in this thread... it might fit in this thread if posters where just using this thread to post any old crap link about things they hate islam for.

i don't see why it wouldn't fit in a multiculturalism thread, and I don't see any hatred of Islam in it at all

RobbieTheRobber

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117649630#Comment_117649630

Multiculturalism in Ireland.

Well Quant why don't you link it to the thread topic of multiculturalism in Ireland.

What has an Australian girl not drinking non alcoholic labelled drinks because they actually contain upto 0.5% alcohol got to do with this threads title?

Cordell

So are the muslims in Ireland different, do they enjoy the odd pint? Or are they also following the same radical views that any alcohol is a mortal sin?

Why aren't the EU outraged against the current Lithuanian government for building a border wall like they were against Hungary?

Shows that the EU don't care about proper border control, it's all just one big game to them and mass immigration is just a minor inconvenience one-way or another.

We are lucky that the eastern frontier countries are trying to stop a huge influx from all over central Asia. Ireland should be offering our support to Lithuania and every other country.

The EU should also impose serious sanctions on the government of Belarus for their attempts to destabilize European society by deliberately trafficking thousands of illegal immigrants into our countries.

RobbieTheRobber

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117650231#Comment_117650231

Is there a problem with having a regligous belief in Ireland?

Cordell

Radical religious beliefs are a problem everywhere.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117652636#Comment_117652636

Is not drinking alcohol a radical belief?

Cordell

Yes, not drinking alcohol because religion forbids it it's a radical behaviour.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117650231#Comment_117650231

Plenty of Muslims drink.

Cordell

Most of them, the vast majority, don't. Again, don't miss the point, it's perfectly fine to choose not to drink, the problem is when this choice is made for you.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117655347#Comment_117655347

So off the top of my head buddihists islamists and some Christian groups would all meet your definition for radical religious groups.

I think we should have a good old religious purge Cordell what do you reckon. Get the state to search everyone's home and if we find any evidence for any of these radical groups we should intern them without trial.

The radical bastards.

Cordell

Not necessarily purge, but at least get selective.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117655347#Comment_117655347

are they making the choice for you?

they definately are not for me, they didnt either when I lived in a muslim country.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117656657#Comment_117656657

No, in Kosovo everyone who wants to drink, does so openly.. loads of Pectopahs and Bars to choose from , and a wide selection of Pivo's and wines to choose from, so its not a problem. But then again, if you were to measure strict hardline Islam with a score of 10 with 1 being the most relaxed form of Islam, then the 10 would go to Wahabbism, Isis, Taliban etc, and the 1 would go to Kosovar Islam. Trust me BP, there are lots of Islamic Countrys where you will not drink openly, I know because I've lived in them. It takes some getting used to when you are having a few drinks with some friends ( and yes, Muslim friends,) behind closed doors, ( no bars ) and there's a knock at the door, and quick as a flash, everyone hides their drink, including me, until either the coast is clear. or the visitor is made welcome. It reminded me of the opening hours in Irish Pubs years ago ..when the Guards "raided" pubs for after hours drinking. In my early days abroad when I asked why they were behaving like this, they were all grown men, so why? They told me that alcohol is Haram, fobidden, and if you are caught drinking, you will be beaten. Imagine, grown men in their 30's. 40's 50's etc. Being beaten for having a few beers.. So BP, in non-Islamic Coutrys you are free to drink or not, but in Countrys where Sharia Law rules, no you cannot. At least not openly, Kosovo of course being the exception here. Try some of the Stans some time BP....it will broaden your knowledge of Islamic practice's beyond Kosovo.

I don't need to thanks

I am well aware that there are Islamic countries where alcohol is forbidden. It seems unlike many posters here.

So, I will continue to post, everytime I see a generic post that assumes all Muslims are the same.

Cordell

The post rarely assume anything, the one reading it is the one doing the assumptions.

Estonia is now gifting 100km of barbed wire to Lithuania in order to help with building a border fence to stop a massive ongoing influx of migrants.

The EU will spend billions upon billions of Euros on all sorts of pointless virtue signaling projects but allows possibly the most critical policy needed for it's survival to rely on donations from friendly countries.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117658100#Comment_117658100

Yes BP, you are right, all Muslims are not the same, especially as how they interpret Islam and Sharia, thats very true. Now if they were all like the ones in Kosovo,,,,,

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117657815#Comment_117657815

Pectopahs!!!! Thanks for giving me a full on belly laugh and a blast from the past. My wife is from that part of the world, not Kosavo but a similar language and it was an in joke we had where I'd call them that too. (Restaurant in Cyrillic reads as pectopah for those wondering)

Saying slainte when drinking over there was one was met with confusion and raised eyebrows, or outright wtf's???? 😁

eagle eye

Here's my crib. If you have 30 families coming into Ireland and it's time to.house them how about you find 15 towns and put two families in each.

If you put 30 families in one town then the majority of locals are nervous and afraid of them. If you put two families in the locals will likely welcome them and they are far more likely to assimilate.

If you put thirty families together they are going to stick together, they might never learn English, they are likely to stick to their own culture and never become part of the community.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117660900#Comment_117660900

Yes, I often laugh myself when I think back on when I first arrived in the Balkans...and trying to get to grips with the cyrillic alphabet. And to make it worse, just when you thought that you were making progress...you made the shocking discovery that while the Cyrillic was the same in Serbia or Croatia, they had different words describing the same things..I made some blunders..In Serbian, bread is called "Hleb".but in Croatia, its called "Kruh", and in the times after the war, it was not very advisable to go into a Serb shop and ask for some Kruh,,,or vice versa in a Croat shop, and ask for Hleb. About the safest word througout the Balkans was the univerasl " PIVO "