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Doctor Roast

biko wrote: »

Almost 20 years ago:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/organised-violent-crime-is-spiralling-among-the-non-national-population-26243687.html

As to importing people, I suppose that is a term of speech.
Is this importing?

https://www.thejournal.ie/migrants-ireland-quota-eu-2102190-May2015/

Why do you think people from 1000s of miles away choose to escape to this little island in the rain?

Once the EU gets that mechanism in place it will never end, oh here's 300 and another, to prop up their ponzi scheme, I've repeatedly challenged them on their Facebook pages about what are the benefits of this migration.... Tumbleweeds
They aren't interested in stopping it just managing it so it doesn't cause a backlash...

Rodney Bathgate

kildare lad wrote: »

What are you complaining about ??? she'll be paying for our pensions in a few years time . We'll all be rolling in it due to their massive tax contributions to the exchequer....

Another doctor / engineer?

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

We have yet to see a female Taoiseach in Ireland but will likely do so within the next 10 years.

And yet, we've had a female President already.. You want to make it sound like there's some sad need for social change, but women have been well represented in Irish society/careers throughout my lifetime. That women are far less interested in a career in politics comes down simply to choosing different careers.

I've never seen a woman doing garbage disposal in Ireland, or working as a construction worker (not an engineer). Does that suggest that there's still a need for social change, giving women more options/choices? Nope. it simply means that with that range of choice, women have other careers to choose from.

Comparing Ireland with the US is a bit much, considering what you're putting forward.

Arthur Daley

Reminds me of that push in Britain 3 or 4 years ago for more women in power.

At the time you had:
The Queen - Head of State and phenominally powerful internationally depending on who you believe
Teresa May - Prime minister
Nicola Sturgeon - Scottish First minister
Arlene Foster - NI First minister

And I think the head of Labour in Wales was a women and all.:rolleyes:

Arthur Daley

Arthur Daley wrote: »

Reminds me of that push in Britain 3 or 4 years ago for more women in power.

At the time you had:
The Queen - Head of State and phenominally powerful internationally depending on who you believe
Teresa May - Prime minister
Nicola Sturgeon - Scottish First minister
Arlene Foster - NI First minister

And I think the head of Labour in Wales was a women and all.:rolleyes:

Pretty much... because there will always be a push to put anyone from a previously disadvantaged group into jobs, influence, power etc. It doesn't diminish, nor does it go away.

Just look at the push in education to provide for female students. All the media and equality organisations can talk about is girls/women in STEM. The need for more suitable examinations and coursework to give them the best chance possible. All the while, at every level of education, boys/men are falling behind girls/women in performance/results. In career areas, which were previously dominated by men, now we can see a complete reversal.. but that's not an issue.

And we'll likely see the same thing come into play for minorities... even when they reach the stage when being called a minority is dubious. Although then again, in a diverse society, wouldn't they always be minorities? Just that the natives get to join them as being minorities too (I'm talking a century of population growth here.. for those wanting to scream hysteria, take a look at population growth worldwide... )

http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Eus-p9GWYAEuDn9.jpg

There is so much said and not said in this short piece.
Eritrean Taxi Driver who was granted a Visa due to being proposed for and possessing critical skills i.e. "IT" for a philanthropist caught bringing some Eritreans who had applied for asylum in the Republic to Northern Ireland.
The philanthropist reportedly help found the immigrant council of Ireland. She appears to be more than just a lady who lunches.
The Taxi driver was in residence at the mews of a Mansion in Foxrock where this philanthropist appears to reside while also maintaining a residence elsewhere with a wife and child.
The front page is not fully legible but it appears that 100 Eritreans have applied for asylum in recent months.

The visa system appears to be designed to be gamed.

Yellow_Fern

I can post it for all.

The co-founder of the Immigrant Council of Ireland is said to be “flabbergasted” after a joint garda and PSNI operation into people-smuggling led to the arrest of an Eritrean man who had been living rent-free in a mews at her Foxrock mansion.

The investigation led to the arrest of the man, a taxi driver who had driven from Dublin to Northern Ireland on February 8 with two Eritrean passengers who had recently sought asylum in the south. Gardai discovered the taxi driver lived in a mews in the grounds of Lis na Carrig in Foxrock, owned by Chantal McCabe. The philanthropist is separated from Bill McCabe, a businessman ranked the 245th richest man in Ireland last year with a fortune worth €81 million.

The man was found to have been legally resident in Ireland since 2015 when he was given a critical skills employment permit, known as a Stamp 4 visa, on the basis that he worked in IT for Chantal McCabe, who co-founded the Immigrant Council of Ireland in 2001.

McCabe is a financial supporter of several charities. There is no suggestion she was aware of the alleged people-smuggling. It is understood she first met the taxi driver through her work with Vita, an Irish Aid-backed charity whose work includes supporting Eritreans in building more fuel-efficient cooking stoves.

She did not respond to requests for comment last week. A source close to the family said she was “shocked and flabbergasted” by the investigation and that the first she was aware of it was when officers arrived at her property seeking to search the mews.

The source said the Eritrean man had been McCabe’s driver while she was in his country on charitable work. He came to Ireland in 2015 on a visa sponsored by McCabe to help her identify Eritrean families in need of assistance. McCabe provided him with the mews residence rent-free. The source said although the man continued to make use of the mews, in more recent times he had also lived in another property with his partner and their child and he had begun work as a taxi driver.

Gardai working with the Garda National Immigration Bureau and Joint Task Force with Northern Ireland began the investigation after more than 100 Eritreans arrived in Dublin airport from November and were refused leave to land. The majority were allowed to enter the country after seeking international protection, but most did not then attend the required scheduled interviews.

A number were subsequently discovered to have entered England, a cause of alarm to UK immigration officials.

The Department of Justice said Eritreans made up an “unusually high proportion” of recent refusals at Dublin airport. Between November 29 and February 13 Eritreans comprised a quarter of the 401 cases where people were refused leave to land: 21 were returned to their country of departure while 81 sought international protection.

The PSNI said that on February 8 they stopped a vehicle as it crossed the border from the Republic as part of a “proactive operation” by the Joint Agency Task Force.

“Three foreign nationals were subsequently arrested by immigration enforcement officers and a number of items, including the vehicle, were seized,” it said.

“Agencies on both sides of the border, working together, remain committed to tackling crime and immigration offences in both jurisdictions.”

It is understood the two passengers were Eritreans who had recently arrived in Ireland and were scheduled to get a ferry from Northern Ireland to Britain despite having sought international protection in the Republic.

When gardai followed up on the PSNI arrests they found the driver of the vehicle lived in the mews of Lis Na Carrig and had obtained his work visa as an IT worker employed by McCabe. They searched the house and seized a number
of items for further investigation.

The Department of Justice said most Eritreans who had been refused leave to land in recent weeks had sought international protection and this was “duly facilitated in line with our international and EU obligations”.

“However, of those who indicated a wish to claim international protection, they subsequently failed to attend the International Protection Office in Mount Street to register their claim,” it said.

“This recent trend is of concern and is being followed up appropriately.

“Combating the terrible crime of human trafficking is a priority for Ireland and we attach great importance to the work of multilateral international organisations who are active in tackling human trafficking, including the UN, Council of Europe, Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe and the EU. Ireland continues to work with all our partners in those forums to combat this heinous crime.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chantal-mccabe-lodger-held-over-people-smuggling-xsdrtdm2c

Yurt2

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

I can post it for all. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chantal-mccabe-lodger-held-over-people-smuggling-xsdrtdm2c

So the luvvie head of the Immigrant Council of Ireland brought an Eritrean taxi driver to Ireland on a 'critical skills' IT visa (a full-stack developer no doubt), lived in her South Dublin property rent-free and ran an international people-smuggling operation out of it?

This. Story. Is. Perfect.

(As an aside, the Irish edition of the London Times consistently does the best investigative journalism in the country. It has blown-open so many stories that glad-handers and sleeveens in Ireland don't want touched)

Biafranlivemat

Yurt! wrote: »

So the luvvie head of the Immigrant Council of Ireland brought an Eritrean taxi driver to Ireland on a 'critical skills' IT visa (a full-stack developer no doubt), lived in her South Dublin property rent-free and ran an international people-smuggling operation out of it?

This. Story. Is. Perfect.

(As an aside, the Irish edition of the London Times consistently does the best investigative journalism in the country. It has blown-open so many stories that glad-handers and sleeveens in Ireland don't want touched)

So your are basically saying, that a foreign newspaper is doing a better job of covering Irish news, than the wasters at Irish Times,Independent , Cork Examiner and of course RTE.



Fu@king bad state of affairs, for any country.

Yurt2

Another aspect of the story that raises eyebrows was that he was brought to Ireland by McCabe to identify Eritreans in need of assistance. Is this woman running some sort of immigration route as well? As in, is she actively looking to bring in Eritreans into Ireland to claim asylum? Lady, This is the role of the government to select, vet and assist candidates for international protection; not some wealthy 'philanthropist' as a hobby horse. If so, no private individual has the right to carry on like this. She's just a people trafficker in a nice postcode.

I also hope the circumstances of the taxi driver's visa issuance gets looked into. I'm willing to bet my left testicle that he is in no way an IT specialist that should qualify for a critical skills visa. Some serious funny business going on here. The Immigrant Council of Ireland should be on red alert with this story. There is no aspect of Irish immigration policy or immigration integrity that they don't object to.

They need to wise up that fair minded Irish people want an immigration and asylum system that has some integrity, not a running joke to be undermined at every turn.

Kivaro

Yurt! wrote: »

So the luvvie head of the Immigrant Council of Ireland brought an Eritrean taxi driver to Ireland on a 'critical skills' IT visa (a full-stack developer no doubt), lived in her South Dublin property rent-free and ran an international people-smuggling operation out of it?

This. Story. Is. Perfect.

(As an aside, the Irish edition of the London Times consistently does the best investigative journalism in the country. It has blown-open so many stories that glad-handers and sleeveens in Ireland don't want touched)

I'd say that this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Due to repeated incidences like this, it would not surprise me if the British actually curtails or make adjustments to the The Common Travel Area (CTA) that currently exists between our countries, which is very beneficial to Irish citizens. Imagine us losing this benefit because of the obviously flawed asylum system in Ireland.

81 Eritreans claimed asylum in Ireland in the last few months, in the midst of global pandemic, and then not one of them went to the International Protection Office in Mount Street to register their claim. So they arrive at Dublin airport, claimed asylum and then are allowed to leave to roam the country and didn't even bother to follow up and register their asylum claim. Where are they now?

Yet again another NGO, the Immigrant Council of Ireland, have questions to answer about their involvement in this obvious scam. But who will ask these questions is the problem?
This is an intolerable and unacceptable situation, and our government representatives, who are to blame, should be embarrassed of themselves.

Kivaro

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

So your are basically saying, that a foreign newspaper is doing a better job of covering Irish news, than the wasters at Irish Times,Independent , Cork Examiner and of course RTE.



Fu@king bad state of affairs, for any country.

I can assure you that we would not have heard about this story without the The Sunday Times making it known to us. Irish mainstream media, especially our national broadcaster RTE have become a joke in recent times.

ExMachina1000

I went to the journal.ie to see if they covered the story.

2 stories about Trump with one being a poll
And a poll about "can you recognise these sweets"

No sign of the story.

Kivaro

Kivaro wrote: »

I'd say that this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Due to repeated incidences like this, it would not surprise me if the British actually curtails or make adjustments to the The Common Travel Area (CTA) that currently exists between our countries, which is very beneficial to Irish citizens. Imagine us losing this benefit because of the obviously flawed asylum system in Ireland.

Both the UK and Ireland have their problems with economic migrants.
If they are coming to Ireland they are accessing the immigration economy. If going to the UK they are going to ground and working in the black economy.
These people are aiming to go to the UK. Something is wrong with the UK if they can live their lives in the UK without documentation. They couldn't use Ireland as a bridge to another European Country like Germany without being able to establish official residence in the country. They just couldn't function in those countries.
Membership of the E.U. was the diagnosis for the UK's problems.

with so few people travelling in to the country in the last months those Eritreans must have stuck out like a sore thumb when arriving at Dublin airport and going through border control.
The airlines have a role to play and are supposedly fined if they are delivering illegal immigrants to Ireland but I doubt it happens.

Rodney Bathgate

[Deleted User] wrote: »

with so few people travelling in to the country in the last months those Eritreans must have stuck out like a sore thumb when arriving at Dublin airport and going through border control.
The airlines have a role to play and are supposedly fined if they are delivering illegal immigrants to Ireland but I doubt it happens.

Many of these lads ‘lose’ their passports down the toilet on the flight over. Makes it more difficult to verify their tales of woe. How many were’ bearded children’ I wonder...

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Membership of the E.U. was the diagnosis for the UK's problems.

Ireland has upwards of 30k undocumented workers in the country (I suspect it's higher than that). It's the way countries are these days, since everyone has rights that must be protected.

If you do a few searches about being an undocumented 'worker' in Ireland, you'll find websites giving information to them, telling them how they can live in Ireland and what services/supports are available to them. You'll see similar websites for other countries. I found two websites that received Irish government funding, even though they're telling undocumented people how to continue living here illegally. Including what to do if the Gardai catch you, and it appears that if you play ball, most undocumented caught are left be.

The UK's problems are the problems of every nation. Previously migration wasn't such an issue because the numbers remained relatively low (in comparison to modern levels) but times are a changing. Climate change and social instability in many 3rd world nations means that migration levels are likely to continue increasing, and even with clearer immigration policies, there will be the lackluster reaction to undocumented people within nations borders, because few governments want to deal with them, as they should be dealt with. ie. deportations.

ThunbergsAreGo

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Many of these lads ‘lose’ their passports down the toilet on the flight over. Makes it more difficult to verify their tales of woe. How many were’ bearded children’ I wonder...

Holding location at the airport seems an absolute no brainer, or a no passport no entry stance.

I can tell you that in Germany the police can ask you who you are and where you reside and while waiting they can confirm that the details are correct. If they aren't satisfied you aren't allowed go on your way. You are obliged to register your residence. That is the minimum requirement for being able to police your country.

jmreire

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Holding location at the airport seems an absolute no brainer, or a no passport no entry stance.

Why not have them show their passports when exiting the plane? They have to show them several times at the airport before boarding? If needed, change the laws. No passport, don't even get off the plane. And plenty of signage at all stages of the flight, with high penalties for non compliance, Inc banned from future flights.

jmreire

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I can tell you that in Germany the police can ask you who you are and where you reside and while waiting they can confirm that the details are correct. If they aren't satisfied you aren't allowed go on your way. You are obliged to register your residence. That is the minimum requirement for being able to police your country.

Try it in Russia and see how far you will go..and that is for everyone, not just new arrivals. Forget your ID card leaving for work in the morning? Turn back and get it, praying that you will not be stopped on the way. Oh, and their jails are very functional if not very pleasant.I doubt very much that they get very many people destroying their passports on the plane.

Wibbs

Tell me how wrote: »

There have been native women in all these countries also but that doesn't mean that their parliaments have contained an accurate representation of their numbers in their societies.

Change comes slowly, slavery was abolished in the US in 1865, civil rights act wasn't signed until 1964. America only last month inaugurated its first female to the role of Vice President. We have yet to see a female Taoiseach in Ireland but will likely do so within the next 10 years.

Just because something doesn't happen within a couple years or even decades doesn't mean that there isn't organic, evolving integration amongst the sectors of what makes up a society before it is visible in all its official branches.

I've no idea why you've brought Americaland into it. It's a complete sh1tshow that's becoming more divided by the decade. But again you're avoiding my point. Again show me any multicultural nation that doesn't follow the same demographic narratives. Look in Europe, Asia, North America, South America. Organic evolving integration? OK, then point me to examples of working multicultural/multiethnic societies with integration throughout human history.

Yurt! wrote: »

As an aside, the Irish edition of the London Times consistently does the best investigative journalism in the country. It has blown-open so many stories that glad-handers and sleeveens in Ireland don't want touched

+1000 Much of it is down to local journalism being extremely nepotistic and in a tiny pool of people, many who know each other to some degree and many nearer the top are connected to the very political class they report on.

Deleted User wrote: »

Ireland has upwards of 30k undocumented workers illegal migrants in the country (I suspect it's higher than that). It's the way countries are these days, since everyone has rights that must be protected.

FYP there K And there's strong talk of handing out residency papers to thousands of them. In essence rewarding criminality. I'd go after those who are hiring them off the books too.

Eric Cartman

jmreire wrote: »

Why not have them show their passports when exiting the plane? They have to show them several times at the airport before boarding? If needed, change the laws. No passport, don't even get off the plane. And plenty of signage at all stages of the flight, with high penalties for non compliance, Inc banned from future flights.

They did that for the georgians and albanians , something tells me theres a media perception reason they dont do it to planes coming from africa or some asian regions.

jmreire

jmreire wrote: »

Try it in Russia and see how far you will go..and that is for everyone, not just new arrivals. Forget your ID card leaving for work in the morning? Turn back and get it, praying that you will not be stopped on the way. Oh, and their jails are very functional if not very pleasant.I doubt very much that they get very many people destroying their passports on the plane.

Same with China. They've got no problem with marching you to the departure gate, and personally ensuring that you're seated on the plane before takeoff. If you can't pay for the flight, then some prison time with work involved until you can afford to cover the cost (if they don't forget that you're in the prison).

They don't have the problem of people arriving without passports, because there are multiple stages of verification throughout the trip, and it's well known the consequences of failing to abide by Chinese laws.

They do have their fair share of illegal/undocumented migrants, most of whom come through their land borders or ports.. but anyone caught is in for a world of pain, simply because of the corruption involved. They'll likely be able to stay but they'll be paying some police officers and minor officials for the privilege. I know a variety of westerners who have been caught doing this.. visa expired, stayed, and then got hooked into the bribery cycle.. not nice. But then, it's a good reason to get your visas and residence permit renewed.

LostinBlanch

Yurt! wrote: »

So the luvvie head of the Immigrant Council of Ireland brought an Eritrean taxi driver to Ireland on a 'critical skills' IT visa (a full-stack developer no doubt), lived in her South Dublin property rent-free and ran an international people-smuggling operation out of it?

This. Story. Is. Perfect.

(As an aside, the Irish edition of the London Times consistently does the best investigative journalism in the country. It has blown-open so many stories that glad-handers and sleeveens in Ireland don't want touched)

Definitely, an online subscription to the Irish edition of the Times costs only €5 a month. You're more likely to get investigative journalism there than in any of the local papers like the self styled "paper of record" Irish Times* or the Indo (shudder). The editorial approach in local papers is more akin to cheerleading than investigative journalism.

* For anyone interested in how "truthful" this publication is broadsheet.ie went into The Irish Times behaviour on the Kate Fitzgerald case. I thought it was absolutely disgraceful and ever since have taken anything they publish with a large pinch of salt.

jmreire

Eric Cartman wrote: »

They did that for the georgians and albanians , something tells me theres a media perception reason they dont do it to planes coming from africa or some asian regions.

Should be done for all arrivals..regardles of where the flight originated....I was on a flight to Tajikistan one time, and the plane had to divert to a Russian regional airport, and I did not have Russian visa as it was an unplanned for diversion. So the plane landed and the officials came on board, straight away we were whisked away into a holding room....guards at the door, and there we stayed for the 7 or eight hours it took to get the problem fixed. And no movement outside the room, except tho use the toilet , and even for that, you were accompanied by a guard. Go for a walk to stretch the legs, have a look around?? Forget it.. but believe it or not, compared to other similar instances and as these things go, we were not treated badly as it was a emergency diversion, but for sure I would not arrive on a sheduled flight, and destroy my Passport before landing.

Doctor Roast

jmreire wrote: »

Try it in Russia and see how far you will go..and that is for everyone, not just new arrivals. Forget your ID card leaving for work in the morning? Turn back and get it, praying that you will not be stopped on the way. Oh, and their jails are very functional if not very pleasant.I doubt very much that they get very many people destroying their passports on the plane.

4:15....sounds very familiar....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGYajoz225A

Patrick2010

Excellent article in the ST, I buy the paper edition every Sunday. So lads arrive from Eritrea, claim protection and are just allowed in?, unbelievable.

biko

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Many of these lads ‘lose’ their passports down the toilet on the flight over. Makes it more difficult to verify their tales of woe. How many were’ bearded children’ I wonder...

Actually, not many arrive by plane, or at least shouldn't.
This is because of Carrier Sanctions Directive 2001/51/EC, that imposes sanctions on carriers – such as airline companies – if they transport passengers that are not in possession of valid travel documents.

Penalties range from €3,000 per passenger to a lump sum of €500,000, depending on the country.
Carriers will also have to cover the costs of the passenger’s return trip.

So if a person shows up at the customs desk getting of a plane from Turkey then customs could impose fines on the airline and even force them to fly the migrant back.

Cordell

How can the airline be held responsible if the migrants dump their passports while in flight, as there is no further check after boarding?