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Tipperary animal lover

Pat D. Almighty wrote: »

Yeah lots stop all migrants because a small minority are a bit rapey.

Jesus christ lad have some respect for the poor lady it happened to.... a bit rapey, thats a pretty bad reply, i suppose the grooming gangs in the uk were just a bit rapey when they took advantage of all them under age kids or the sexual assaults in germany on that night of new years eve, if you have a daughter i pity her if anything like that happened to her .... ah sure love their migrants their just a bit rapey ...l

biko

Pat D. Almighty wrote: »

Yeah lots stop all migrants because a small minority are a bit rapey.

It's like letting 200 Hell's Angels into a bar and saying "there may be some fights and broken furniture - but is it really justified to not let any at all in?

Pat D. Almighty

Pat D. Almighty wrote: »

Yeah lots stop all migrants because a small minority are a bit rapey.

Except, nobody is saying that all migration should be stopped. The only times I've seen such a claim is from posters like yourself claiming that others have suggested it. Could you point out where posters sought the end of all immigration?

The vast majority of posters on this thread have said they're perfectly fine with Skilled/educated migrants who fill a needed employment gap. Quite a few others didn't make that distinction, just happy with skilled/educated migrants. Others are fine with EU migration, or migration from certain countries due to a lack of trouble from their migrants.

newhouse87

Deleted User wrote: »

Except, nobody is saying that all migration should be stopped. The only times I've seen such a claim is from posters like yourself claiming that others have suggested it. Could you point out where posters sought the end of all immigration?

The vast majority of posters on this thread have said they're perfectly fine with Skilled/educated migrants who fill a needed employment gap. Quite a few others didn't make that distinction, just happy with skilled/educated migrants. Others are fine with EU migration, or migration from certain countries due to a lack of trouble from their migrants.

Wasting your time, same on other threads, numerous posters of a certain outlook on things reply with stuff you apparently said but in actuality its stuff they made up in their head they think you meant to say just so they can try to have some moral high ground with their correct and only viewpoint.

Kivaro

Pat D. Almighty wrote: »

Yeah lots stop all migrants because a small minority are a bit rapey.

An Irish woman is gang raped by a group of African migrants she tried to help in Gran Canaria, and that's your response? That's shameful.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Pat D. Almighty wrote: »

Yeah lots stop all migrants because a small minority are a bit rapey.

A small minority?

Don't you follow the news?

Eric Cartman

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

A small minority?

Don't you follow the news?

Well overall , if you remove all the EU migrants , the east asian migrants, the south american migrants , the balkan migrants then you are left with a minority of migrants who massively over represent in rapes and sexual assaults.

“Most migrants are not rapists “ is correct but that statement is lumping them all together to deflect from the small proportion problematic origin regions where the problem is huge

Kivaro

Kivaro wrote: »

An Irish woman is gang raped by a group of African migrants she tried to help in Gran Canaria, and that's your response? That's shameful.

What's shameful is the way a terrible incident, a horrendous ordeal for any woman, is broken down into an 'irish' woman, raped by 'African migrants'
Doesn't matter what nationality anyone is.
It's a disgusting crime that affects women to a massive extent. Trying to make out that anyone's nationality is important, is disgraceful.

TomTomTim

bubblypop wrote: »

What's shameful is the way a terrible incident, a horrendous ordeal for any woman, is broken down into an 'irish' woman, raped by 'African migrants'
Doesn't matter what nationality anyone is.
It's a disgusting crime that affects women to a massive extent. Trying to make out that anyone's nationality is important, is disgraceful.

Not it's not, it's completely reasonable. People from backwards cultures are shockingly often backwards. This would likely not of happened if she approached a group of Italians, or Danes, or any other European group for that matter. Shove your head in the sand, and rings the bells of outrage all you want, but culture matters. The whole case is a great example of that.

0lddog

bubblypop wrote: »

What's shameful is the way a terrible incident, a horrendous ordeal for any woman, is broken down into an 'irish' woman, raped by 'African migrants'
Doesn't matter what nationality anyone is.
It's a disgusting crime that affects women to a massive extent. Trying to make out that anyone's nationality is important, is disgraceful.

+1

BTW : " The 36-year-old woman, repeatedly reported as being of Irish nationality, however sources report this is incorrect and she is in fact of Nordic origins, has been living with her family in Puerto Rico for years"

https://thecanarynews.com/2021/03/03/four-defendants-jailed-on-remand-without-bail-on-the-south-of-gran-canaria-accused-of-an-alleged-sexual-assault/

TomTomTim

TomTomTim wrote: »

Not it's not, it's completely reasonable. People from backwards cultures are shockingly often backwards. This would likely not of happened if she approached a group of Italians, or Danes, or any other European group for that matter. Shove your head in the sand, and rings the bells of outrage all you want, but culture matters. The whole case is a great example of that.

No.
Women get raped by men everyday, unfortunately.
You have no idea whether an Italian, Danish or any other European man is a rapist.
Usually it is by men that they know.
Going by your logic, women should stay away from all men, because men rape.

biko

bubblypop wrote: »

It's a disgusting crime that affects women to a massive extent.

Good, so you're in agreement that we should do anything possible to prevent it from happening here?

What if we can say with certainty that letting male migrants in will with certainty increase the rape of Irish women?
That taking women by force is in some migrant's culture?

biko

biko wrote: »

Good, so you're in agreement that we should do anything possible to prevent it from happening here?

What if we can say with certainty that letting male migrants in will with certainty increase the rape of Irish women?
That taking women by force is in some migrant's culture?

I don't believe in allowing unlimited migrants into the country.
I believe that anybody who wishes to come here should be vetted and interviewed. Whether that is people requiring visas or asylum seekers.

I don't believe in tarring all people with the same brush, nor punishing people for the sins of others, so I don't believe in blanket bans based on a person's nationality or religion.

jmreire

bubblypop wrote: »

No.
Women get raped by men everyday, unfortunately.
You have no idea whether an Italian, Danish or any other European man is a rapist.
Usually it is by men that they know.
Going by your logic, women should stay away from all men, because men rape.

Well, for sure its men who are in the main the rapists, ( given the current sexual attribution uncertainty, I mean ) but certain groups and situations should defimitely be avoided more than others. Check out the article about the more than 1'000 attacks on women in and around Cologne ( and other locations) at new years eve 2015, / 2016 after Merkel invited 1'000'000 refugees to Germany, and of course, what happened to the Yazidi's, that was definitely attributable to a specific group. So now, where would you prefer to have been at that time? Hamburg, or O'Connell street surrounded by inebriated Irishmen ( and women) bringing in the new year??? Or God Forbid, in Sinjar with the Yazidi's.??

Switzerland has voted (by a slim majority) to ban the face veil


https://www.thejournal.ie/switzerland-face-coverings-vote-5374258-Mar2021/

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

Switzerland has voted (by a slim majority) to ban the face veil


https://www.thejournal.ie/switzerland-face-coverings-vote-5374258-Mar2021/

thank christ, a bit of sense. The burkah is a security risk and always has been.

jmreire

Eric Cartman wrote: »

thank christ, a bit of sense. The burkah is a security risk and always has been.

In all fairness , the Swiss have the closest thing to a working Democracy...100'000 signatures is all it takes to get a discussion on a topic, and a referendum if needed. I think they have a referendum on average every 3 mths. Great system..the Govt will not get away with slipping in any dodgy law in the back door...

DelaneyIn

Multicultural left wing German politician gets death threats from the very immigrants her party and their supporters cheerlead immigrating to Germany.

German parliamentarian Sevim Dağdelen from the Left Party (Die Linke) has been receiving death threats from far-right Turks, the party said.

Sarya Ataç, who was a candidate in local elections, also received such messages, Left Party lawmaker Jörg Schindler said. Both Dağdelen and Ataç are politicians of Turkish origin.

"Our party and our efforts for peaceful and democratic coexistence are under attack," Schindler said.

The death threats are sent with the name of JİTEM, a clandestine gendarmerie intelligence unit responsible for dozens of unsolved murders, predominantly in the 1990s.

https://www.duvarenglish.com/german-left-party-mp-receives-death-threats-from-far-right-turks-news-56543

European nations have enough home grown issues and quarrels. It is time to stop importing the world's problems through idiotic immigration policy.

DerekC16

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Except, nobody is saying that all migration should be stopped. The only times I've seen such a claim is from posters like yourself claiming that others have suggested it. Could you point out where posters sought the end of all immigration?

The vast majority of posters on this thread have said they're perfectly fine with Skilled/educated migrants who fill a needed employment gap. Quite a few others didn't make that distinction, just happy with skilled/educated migrants. Others are fine with EU migration, or migration from certain countries due to a lack of trouble from their migrants.

"We need more migrants to keep the wages down" -
The central bank.

Low skill migrants entering a country willing to do low/no skill jobs in poor conditions and for a lower rate than the natives is good for businesses and bad for wage growth.

Esho

DerekC16 wrote: »

"We need more migrants to keep the wages down" -
The central bank.

Low skill migrants entering a country willing to do low/no skill jobs in poor conditions and for a lower rate than the natives is good for businesses and bad for wage growth.

Putin did the same thing in Russia, brought in migrants from the Stans to provide cheap labour.
Funny seeing the same dynamic in a different country, so different from Ireland.

jmreire

Esho wrote: »

Putin did the same thing in Russia, brought in migrants from the Stans to provide cheap labour.
Funny seeing the same dynamic in a different country, so different from Ireland.

Sure, the Saudi's and Emirates etc. also brought in cheap labourers from the Philippines, Pakistan etc. But where ( and when ) did the Russians do it? ( not doubting your word, just I'm curious.) I do know that the Russians did use fellow Russians from the republics to solve labour problems in Moscow etc. But was not aware that they "imported" them from outside as well? Unless it was from countrys like Tajikistan , Kazakhstan etc.?

DerekC16

DerekC16 wrote: »

"We need more migrants to keep the wages down" -
The central bank.

Low skill migrants entering a country willing to do low/no skill jobs in poor conditions and for a lower rate than the natives is good for businesses and bad for wage growth.

Actually, that makes little logical sense. In a modern first world nation, which has embraced the marvels of technology, most low skilled jobs are on the way out due to the implementation of better technologies and automation. And while there will always be some demand for low skilled workers, especially in the service industry, that industry isn't growing at a pace to warrant the increased population, producing dubious returns from their low incomes.

An increased population of low skilled workers, would actually increase salaries for the educated/skilled, because companies/institutions needing to provide for the overall larger population, would require increased numbers of staff, because their positions aren't as susceptible to being replaced by automation, or they have the ability to transfer their education/skills to new areas, which would be opened up by the new technologies. Previously skilled/educated people being easier/quicker/cheaper to retrain than training someone with zero skills, or dubious education. Therefore making the retention of qualified workers extremely important, and likely increase the already busy sector of headhunting (stealing talent).

Nope. TBH, I'd be wondering at that quote and what the motivations are in promoting it. It would make some sense in a nation which had a large agricultural, or manufacturing base (such as France or Germany), but Ireland has neither. Our agricultural industry is struggling to maintain it's existing presence, and our manufacturing industry (that doesn't require an educated workforce) is tiny.

Esho

Esho wrote: »

Putin did the same thing in Russia, brought in migrants from the Stans to provide cheap labour.
Funny seeing the same dynamic in a different country, so different from Ireland.

Russia has a significant manufacturing, and resource based industry... cheap labor would be a boon for them. He would also be able to bring them in, and kick them out just as easily. The same can't be said for Ireland.

jmreire

Deleted User wrote: »

Russia has a significant manufacturing, and resource based industry... cheap labor would be a boon for them. He would also be able to bring them in, and kick them out just as easily. The same can't be said for Ireland.

I was thinking more the ex soviet states. But for sure,no matter where they come from, none of them remain, if they're not usefull to the state, and none of them stay beyond their allotted time.

Kivaro

Seems like they are having issues in the European capital with sexual harassment. Belgium's Minister of Justice, Vincent Van Quickenborne, revealed that in some areas of Brussels, almost 80% of women do not go out for fear of being harassed or attacked. That is shocking. So they had to deploy undercover cops to patrol these hotspot areas.

Apparently this is a recent phenomenon that started in the last number of years, but I am sure that a conversation will be had in Belgium on the root cause of this issue. It is appalling that 4 out of 5 women in certain areas of Brussels have to live like this.

biko

Kivaro wrote: »

Belgium's Minister of Justice, Vincent Van Quickenborne, revealed that in some areas of Brussels, almost 80% of women do not go out for fear of being harassed or attacked.

Too many no-go areas in Brussels for women and LGBT, says minister
https://www.brusselstimes.com/brussels/49612/too-many-no-go-areas-in-brussels-for-women-and-lgbt-says-minister/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlfHP-hQuw8

The site http://herstreetview.com (Touche pas à ma pote) lets you walk in "her shoes".

Cordell

But it's just a tiny fraction, the rest all perfectly alright, right?

biko

The problem with baizou is they think it won't happen here, even if it has already happened in every other country.
I don't know if they are ignorant, stupid, or maybe telling themselves that "this time it will work".

Doctor Roast

I met 2 German women randomly in the last year and both told me they were afraid to go out at night in Germany.

Esho

jmreire wrote: »

Sure, the Saudi's and Emirates etc. also brought in cheap labourers from the Philippines, Pakistan etc. But where ( and when ) did the Russians do it? ( not doubting your word, just I'm curious.) I do know that the Russians did use fellow Russians from the republics to solve labour problems in Moscow etc. But was not aware that they "imported" them from outside as well? Unless it was from countrys like Tajikistan , Kazakhstan etc.?

Yes they are from the Stans and are not considered fellow Russians. They also work for cheaper, displacing the locals.

As regards Abu Dhabi etc, foreigners have zero rights but are needed as locals are only 15 % of the population. Kind of different, as they are not displacing the locals.