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Justin Credible Darts

bubblypop wrote: »

Racist.
Anti immigration
Different things.
And I don't know why anyone would think that Irish people are just white? Or why you think people think that?
You have strange ideas

again I thought this was bloody obvious.


If you are against non eu immigrant coming here ( they are usually non white), the racist term has often been bandied about by idiots. I have observed this on countless forums and social media.







I never said they were my ideas, I suggest you read my posts before rushing in haste to reply.

Swindled

Swindled wrote: »

They don't, if they are here legally it's because were granted permission, it's not a "right"

If they have permission to be here they have the right to be here.
Sorry you find it hard to understand

Justin Credible Darts

bubblypop wrote: »

No.
You said all of them do not have the right to be here. But some do. Some do not.

No they dont.


If they are illegal....they are...wait for it,....illegally here , ergo not suppose to be here.

Salvation Tambourine

bubblypop wrote: »

Would you suggest that all gardai in the country investigate persons on holiday here, to make.sure they don't overstay their holiday visa?

I don't think someone should be able to apply for a PPSN when on a holiday Visa or employers hire someone on a holiday Visa. I don't expect the Gardai to investigate all holiday Visas as I would imagine they are far less likely to over stay their Visa compared to those on longer work Visas (I don't have stats on this, wouldn't know where to look but seems logical).

If applying for a PPSN there should be a requirement to produce your working Visa. PPSN should expire when working Visa expires. If working Visa is extended or you are permitted to work and/or stay in the country for permanently then the PPSN expiry is extended or granted indefinitely.

Clear deflection tactic here though. Catching and rewarding people for breaking the law isn't as controlled as I would like it to be.

Justin Credible Darts

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

again I thought this was bloody obvious.


If you are against non eu immigrant coming here ( they are usually non white), the racist term has often been bandied about by idiots. I have observed this on countless forums and social media.
.

But you can be racist against white people too.

Swindled

bubblypop wrote: »

If they have permission to be here they have the right to be here.
Sorry you find it hard to understand

They don't have any right to that permission, do you understand that ?

Swindled

bubblypop wrote: »

But you can be racist against white people too.

Oh dear, you'd be cancelled if you said that in the US or much of the western media. Naughty, Naughty, very naughty of you.

Salvation Tambourine

Salvation Tambourine wrote: »

I don't think someone should be able to apply for a PPSN when on a holiday Visa or employers hire someone on a holiday Visa. I don't expect the Gardai to investigate all holiday Visas as I would imagine they are far less likely to over stay their Visa compared to those on longer work Visas (I don't have stats on this, wouldn't know where to look but seems logical).

If applying for a PPSN there should be a requirement to produce your working Visa. PPSN should expire when working Visa expires. If working Visa is extended or you are permitted to work and/or stay in the country for permanently then the PPSN expiry is extended or granted indefinitely.

Clear deflection tactic here though. Catching and rewarding people for breaking the law isn't as controlled as I would like it to be.

Yes, there are very few linked systems in this country.

Justin Credible Darts

Swindled wrote: »

Oh dear, you'd be cancelled if you said that in the US or much of the western media. Naughty, Naughty, very naughty of you.

say black lives matter....


then say white lives matter, and see what happens

Swindled

Swindled wrote: »

They don't have any right to that permission, do you understand that ?

Do you understand that that permission gives them rights?

Swindled

Swindled wrote: »

Oh dear, you'd be cancelled if you said that in the US or much of the western media. Naughty, Naughty, very naughty of you.

I don't care about any of that rubbish.

Salvation Tambourine

bubblypop wrote: »

Yes, there are very few linked systems in this country.

Hence why we have a "controlled" immigration system that is very poorly controlled.

I can see why posters get frustrated when try to engage with you so I'll bow out having made my points.

Annasopra

Swindled wrote: »

lol, yeah right, that's why 20,000 illegal immigrants were waved through last week, without so much as an ID or background check.

No. Thats just not true.

Swindled

bubblypop wrote: »

Do you understand that that permission gives them rights?

You do understand they don't have any right to that permission ?

Swindled

Swindled wrote: »

You do understand they don't have any right to that permission ?

Obviously. No-one has rights to live in another country unless they have permission.
Once they have permission, they have rights.
This seems obvious?

Swindled

bubblypop wrote: »

Obviously. No-one has rights to live in another country unless they have permission.

Looks like you finally got it ! :pac: :pac: :pac:

Something to look forward to as our country becomes more multiracial and multicultural is the growing accusations of white privilege and racism.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Something to look forward to as our country becomes more multiracial and multicultural is the growing accusations of white privilege and racism.

It was going to happen anyway... the same as has happened in every other western nation. Regardless of the numbers or diversity of the ethnic population, such accusations would come from activists, NGOs and virtue signalers... all of whom create an industry for themselves to profit from.

rgossip30

rgossip30 wrote: »

Ireland signed up to freedom of movement of EU . What most have an issue with is non EU with no rights to be here .

Exactly, countries like Turkey are refused entry because their values don't align. European countries share many core values like democracy, human rights, freedom of religion including not having one etc.

So no, we don't want to bring in people with values that can clash

Wibbs

bubblypop wrote: »

And I don't know why anyone would think that Irish people are just white? Or why you think people think that?
You have strange ideas

Hardly strange at all that people would automatically think that. Up until twenty years ago Ireland was about the Whitest nation on Earth. Even today with the changes in demographics the percentage of African and Asians together is around 2% respectively. The vast majority of non native Irish people living here are White Europeans. Ireland is still over 90% pale of face. If you were told you were meeting a Ghanaian you'd quite naturally assume they'd be Black African and would hardly take yourself to task for thinking that, even though the percentage of White European origin people in Ghana is double that of Black African origin people in Ireland.

take everything

bubblypop wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with a multicultural country, not is there anything wrong with countries that are not.
They are what they are. I wouldn't stop multiculturalism for any reason, not would I force it for any reason.
It's just the nature of things.

This is the kind of vague gobbledygook posters are accusing you of.

The above post adds nothing only confusion.

TomTomTim

take everything wrote: »

This is the kind of vague gobbledygook posters are accusing you of.

The above post adds nothing only confusion.

Complete vague nonsense that ascribes no value to anything. It's the kind of guff I'd expect from an aspiring philosophy student.

take everything

take everything wrote: »

This is the kind of vague gobbledygook posters are accusing you of.

The above post adds nothing only confusion.

It's a tactic. Hand over the ears, screaming "la la la la", all the while returning to extremely vague points that have been countered many times before.

"there is nothing wrong with a multicultural country".

But, of course, there is. Which has been shown many times throughout the thread, referencing issues in Europe, and the US. These being discussions that poster was involved in, failed to counter the points made, but will return to his original stance time and time again... "la la la la"

" I wouldn't stop multiculturalism for any reason,"

That sentence says it all, really.

Wibbs

take everything wrote: »

This is the kind of vague gobbledygook posters are accusing you of.

The above post adds nothing only confusion.

It's more a reflection of the current gra for relativism. So we get moral, cultural, political, social relativism. Everything is seen to be relative and subjective and there's no real true answer and we shouldn't mark out things as definitively positive or definitively negative as it's all down to one's subjective perspective*. And it's not avoiding a question, it's stating there isn't a question in the first place.

BP's post is a great example of it wrapped up in three lines. No judgment on either one state or the other, it's neither negative, nor positive, it just is.

This way of viewing the world is a very recent and very western one and one could argue a minority one even there, outside some arms of the media, politics and academia. There would be little relativism to be found in the rest of the non western world, outside philosophy classes and sage's going OOOOMMMMM on a mountain top. There certainly would be very little cultural relativism going on.

The problem with this viewpoint is while it's an interesting thought experiment it's not nearly so applicable to the everyday reality. If one has few or no fixed points of reference on a subject, whether that be moral, political or cultural then it becomes increasingly hard to navigate a direction for the moral, political or cultural.



*You get online commentators prattling on about "postmodernism", usually followed by an American fear of socialism :eek: where postmodernism has become a modern day damn commies! meme. However in this case relativism originated back in the 60's and 70's with postmodernism. Now it's more complex than that, but that's hard to get over to the Joe Rogan type audience who needs things kept to bite sized chunks.

Not totally true of me anyway, Wibbs, I do indeed judge things. I can be very judgy!
But I tend to judge behaviour rather then cultures or people. So, individual people rather then a collective.
I believe in the law. I believe in right and wrong. And I believe the world and her problems are not black & white, but varying shades of grey.

I believe that posters issues with immigrants to this country are as a result of government policies, apart from those posters who are actually just racist. Which of course, is not everybody, but there are some.

And if course, immigrants are individuals and just like Irish people, some are work orientated and wish for a better life, and some are criminals and some are lazy.

Swindled

bubblypop wrote: »

Not totally true of me anyway, Wibbs, I do indeed judge things. I can be very judgy!
But I tend to judge behaviour rather then cultures or people. So, individual people rather then a collective.
I believe in the law. I believe in right and wrong. And I believe the world and her problems are not black & white, but varying shades of grey.

I believe that posters issues with immigrants to this country are as a result of government policies, apart from those posters who are actually just racist. Which of course, is not everybody, but there are some.

And if course, immigrants are individuals and just like Irish people, some are work orientated and wish for a better life, and some are criminals and some are lazy.

Who are the racist posters, please name them ?

Name ANY country where "multiculraism" has worked ?

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Exactly, countries like Turkey are refused entry because their values don't align. European countries share many core values like democracy, human rights, freedom of religion including not having one etc.

So no, we don't want to bring in people with values that can clash

Every major Irish political party supports Turkish accession, as do most European political parties. I'll give Merkel credit for one thing, she opposed Turkish entry into the EU.

Imagine the EU with a 2-3,000 mile border with Syria and the rest of the middle east....

Some say it's just political chess but it's ongoing and huge money is being spent on it. The ultimate aim is to get Turkey in, if it happens it'll be the death knell of the entire project.

Can you imagine arguing we should have a homogeneous biota throughout the world; where native species with lower reproductive rates, but adaptoted to their ecological niche are forced to compete with a vastly more numerous introduced species with higher reproductive rates, with known and established long term adverse effects on the native species...

...but at the same time decrying the displacement of other native species.

crooked cockney villain

Deleted User wrote: »

Something to look forward to as our country becomes more multiracial and multicultural is the growing accusations of white privilege and racism.

Sure we are there already. The Irish Times and the Journal spent a few weeks after the George Floyd death putting out pieces that basically said Ireland is Alabama circa 1952. We had a family living in a circa 350K home (who were then moved to a 400K plus brand new home) ranting and raving at Gardai and our society in general because their brother got himself shot while attempting to stab several Gardai.

Swindled

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Can you imagine arguing we should have a homogeneous biota throughout the world; where native species with lower reproductive rates, but adaptoted to their ecological niche are forced to compete with a vastly more numerous introduced species with higher reproductive rates, with known and established long term adverse effects on the native species...

...but at the same time decrying the displacement of other native species.

. . . as well as encouraging the native species to reduce their already lower birth-rate, interbreed, and/or leave their native habitat.

Red squirrels, harder to manipulate, more resistant to predators, therefore bad, evil, racist. Grey squirrels cheaper and easier to manipulate, less resistant to the predators. From perspective of predators, mass importation of Grey squirrels = good.