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TomTomTim

TomTomTim wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that most Muslims are pro homosexuality?

No.
I have no idea what most of them are. The ones I know are perfectly ok with it.

kildare lad

bubblypop wrote: »

The views of that man, were just that, his views.
It was of course advertised as the 'Muslim ' view.

50 Muslim countries in the world , one or two pride parades out of all them countries . I think his views are a lot more popular than you'd like to believe .

TomTomTim

TomTomTim wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that most Muslims are pro homosexuality?

Less than half.

..."18% said they agreed (homosexuality should be legal in Britain) and 52% said they disagreed, compared with 5% among the public at large who disagreed."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

john123470

bubblypop wrote: »

The views of that man, were just that, his views.
It was of course advertised as the 'Muslim ' view.

Homosexuality is virtually outlawed in Islam. You yourself admit that it is punishable by death in some countries.

And yet you come out with the above statement

Lols .. are you ok ?

There is a move to have all sorts of things covered by the right to asylum, from gay rights to climate change. It will never end until essentially everyone in the world is entitled to claim asylum. Didn't Ireland recently provide protection to some sufferers of domestic violence? I stand to be corrected on that but I think it did happen. It's ridiculous.

As an aside if you want to see the toxicity of what is going on in Europe now that a close look at what is currently going on in the Batley and Spen election in England at the moment. That sort of poisonous and divivise rethoric will be a feature of our elections soon. We don't need it but continuing uncontrolled mass immigration is bringing it here cheered on by the usual suspects.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As an aside if you want to see the toxicity of what is going on in Europe now that a close look at what is currently going on in the Batley and Spen election in England at the moment. That sort of poisonous and divivise rethoric will be a feature of our elections soon. We don't need it but continuing uncontrolled mass immigration is bringing it here cheered on by the usual suspects.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is certainly on topic


This is where multiculturalism ends up. With differing cultures being represented by different political parties:

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/new-muslim-party-in-sweden-eyes-turkish-community/

A pro-Islamic Party Nyanset (Nuance Party) is targeting Sweden’s Turkish and Muslim communities in a bid to reach the election threshold of 4% and enter parliament in the 2022 elections.

Party leader Mikail Yüksel announced to his 200 followers on TikTok on Friday that the party’s posters have even been put up in Turkey. Founded in 2019, the party could potentially gain a large following in Sweden, which is home to an estimated 810,000 Muslims, or around 8.1% of the population. Of these, around 50,000 people have Turkish origins.

^^
Posted earlier in the thread but worth a mention in relation to that election in England. People think it's fairytale stuff but it's actually baked into the future for many places in Europe.

Doesn't have to be this way for Ireland, we have the advance warning

Might be worth posting some examples of what's happened over there for those who aren't aware

RobbieTheRobber

Deleted User wrote: »

^^
Posted earlier in the thread but worth a mention in relation to that election in England. People think it's fairytale stuff but it's actually baked into the future for many places in Europe.

Doesn't have to be this way for Ireland, we have the advance warning

Might be worth posting some examples of what's happened over there for those who aren't aware

What horrible horrible bastards they are, moving to a country and trying to integrate into society by getting involved in local politics.

What's not to like about them, they share the same goal as some poster here. Have you got some additional information on them?

“Our goal is to stop Sweden from becoming another France,” said Mikail Yüksel in an interview with Turkish daily Yeni Şafak in January this year.

The statement on the Nyanset website says the party is for all Swedes irrespective of religion and background. The programme covers a range of policies from schools and pensions to immigration, integration and religion.

TomTomTim

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

What horrible horrible bastards they are, moving to a country and trying to integrate into society by getting involved in local politics.

What's not to like about them, they share the same goal as some poster here. Have you got some additional information on them?

How does this make any sense from your own perspective? You hang around this thread because you don't like our views, yet you have no issue when Muslims hold the same views? :pac:

Cordell

Take the most devout Catholic, mix it with a hard line conservative, turn it all up to 11, and there you have it, your regular moderate muslim. This is what you are defending.

RobbieTheRobber

TomTomTim wrote: »

How does this make any sense from your own perspective? You hang around this thread because you don't like our views, yet you have no issue when Muslims hold the same views? :pac:

Have you got any more information on the party before we all get our pitchforks and flaming torches?

They have every right to start political parties. If they want their views represented they should or vote for someone who will represent their views. That's the democratic system.

Youd be blind not to see the dangers of bringing in so many into the country that eventually the archaic views found across the Muslim world in relation to lgbt, women etc are found to be holding the balance of power.

You don't need much in terms of numbers to do that at all.

RobbieTheRobber

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

What horrible horrible bastards they are, moving to a country and trying to integrate into society by getting involved in local politics.

What's not to like about them, they share the same goal as some poster here. Have you got some additional information on them?

Ah the implied innocence of that.
Sure they only want a few playgrounds and community centres.

Fill your boots:

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/erdogans-influence-europe-swedish-case-study

If UK is anything to go by, a significant proportion don't want to integrate.

Cordell

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

What horrible horrible bastards they are, moving to a country and trying to integrate into society by getting involved in local politics.

What's not to like about them, they share the same goal as some poster here. Have you got some additional information on them?

Our goal is to stop Sweden from becoming another France,” said Mikail Yüksel in an interview with Turkish daily Yeni Şafak in January this year.

Reading this one would assume his goal is about european values that normally allow people to say or draw things without being shot or beheaded.
But no, he want the complete opposite:

Muslims and people of African origin should be given an official minority status and Islamophobia and Afrophobia criminalised

This is the real danger of the so called moderates. Not bombings, those are very rare events, but them getting into politics and rolling back europe hundreds of years, legally and democratically.

Muslims and people of African origin should be given an official minority status

The problem is that giving groups based on origin "minority status" destroys equality. After all, this is a status that is being given to someone and all of their descendants. Once you decide that some group should be protected, you've elevated them above other people, and reinforced the perception that they are different to the rest of the population. Which, in turn, will make them targets for all the bitterness associated with that favored status... and it will be a favored status, because as time goes by, they'll receive financial benefits or other privileges not available to mainstream society.

These kind of initiatives scream the end of any real movement towards social equality.

and Islamophobia and Afrophobia criminalised

We already have laws regarding racism, and hate crimes.. any new laws that specify certain groups over others will simply expand the ways that these "protections" can be abused, with others being marginalised.

I dunno. I don't think any of this is healthy for western society, or for anyone who is not of the favored disadvantaged groups. (Whites, Asians, etc)

RobbieTheRobber

Cordell wrote: »

Reading this one would assume his goal is about european values that normally allow people to say or draw things without being shot or beheaded.
But no, he want the complete opposite:


This is the real danger of the so called moderates. Not bombings, those are very rare events, but them getting into politics and rolling back europe hundreds of years, legally and democratically.

As we can see with Poland and Hungary there is always a risk of regression in terms of freedoms granted.
But what is your solution, is it a regression in some european democratic freedoms to stop a tiny potential of a group using the democratic process to restrict freedoms at some undefined point in the future?

Mic 1972

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Do you hate all Muslims Tom?

What's the link to the ongoing discussion or thread topic?

Are in favor of homophobia and misogyny?
Or are you against it only when it comes from native Europeans?


you can't have the cake and eat it at the same time

RobbieTheRobber

TomTomTim wrote: »

How does this make any sense from your own perspective? You hang around this thread because you don't like our views, yet you have no issue when Muslims hold the same views? :pac:

Tom I asked it as a question of that poster for the very reason you said. I didn't endorse the belief.

RobbieTheRobber

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Are in favor of homophobia and misogyny?
Or are you against it only when it comes from native Europeans?


you can't have the cake and eat it at the same time

What if I buy two cakes mic. Then I can have one and eat one. Problem solved

Mic 1972

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

What if I buy two cakes mic. Then I can have one and eat one. Problem solved

If a culture is homophobic you can't import the culture and at the same time making it non homophobic.


But obviously this means for you having to chose between being homophobic or xenophobic.


That's when you need to start thinking outside of the left-wing ideologies and start thinking for the benefit of your own nation and culture

RobbieTheRobber

Mic 1972 wrote: »

If a culture is homophobic you can't import the culture and at the same time making it non homophobic.


But obviously this means for you having to chose between being homophobic or xenophobic.


That's when you need to start thinking outside of the left-wing ideologies and start thinking for the benefit of your own nation and culture

Which culture should I start thinking for?

Cordell

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

As we can see with Poland and Hungary there is always a risk of regression in terms of freedoms granted.
But what is your solution, is it a regression in some european democratic freedoms to stop a tiny potential of a group using the democratic process to restrict freedoms at some undefined point in the future?

I don't have a solution, but that doesn't mean I don't see the problem. A party that calls for regression in terms of freedoms and European values is a problem, in Poland they have the native Catholic kind, this "Swedish" one is the imported islamic kind.
But recognising the problem is the first step.

Mic 1972

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Which culture should I start thinking for?

Do you identify with the irish culture of equal rights for women/gay/lesbians/etc?



If you do, are you willing to prevent this culture from being adapted into something that is less equal so as to accommodate people who may have a different view on equality?

RobbieTheRobber

Cordell wrote: »

I don't have a solution, but that doesn't mean I don't see the problem. A party that calls for regression in terms of freedoms and European values is a problem, in Poland they have the native Catholic kind, this "Swedish" one is the imported islamic kind.
But recognising the problem is the first step.

Here we have the national party.
I'm not going to start arguing the national party is a real worrying threat to democracy any time soon are you going to argue that for this party?

Should the Swedish give them more concern than the Irish should about the national party?

RobbieTheRobber

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Do you identify with the irish culture of equal rights for women/gay/lesbians/etc?



If you do, are you willing to prevent this culture from being adapted into something that is less equal so as to accommodate people who may have a different view on equality?

Should I take up arms, or how do I oppose this threat?

Cordell

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Here we have the national party.
I'm not going to start arguing the national party is a real worrying threat to democracy any time soon are you going to argue that for this party?

Should the Swedish give them more concern than the Irish should about the national party?

Are you trying to say that a far right party and an islamic one have a lot in common? Because that was my point all along.

Mic 1972

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Should I take up arms, or how do I oppose this threat?

You haven't answered any of the questions i asked you, but never mind.
If you are only going to reply with smart lines then I'll leave you here.

Mic 1972

Cordell wrote: »

Are you trying to say that a far right party and an islamic one have a lot in common? Because that was my point all along.

I'm a right wing and i have nothing in common with the Islamic culture. Not sure where you are going with this?
I believe in equality which is big part of our culture.

Cordell

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I'm a right wing and i have nothing in common with the Islamic culture. Not sure where you are going with this?
I believe in equality which is big part of our culture.

Right and far right have very little in common. As the matter of fact, far right have more in common with the far left than width the moderate right.

You have nothing in common with a far right culture because you are not far right.

Annasopra

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is a move to have all sorts of things covered by the right to asylum, from gay rights to climate change. It will never end until essentially everyone in the world is entitled to claim asylum. Didn't Ireland recently provide protection to some sufferers of domestic violence? I stand to be corrected on that but I think it did happen. It's ridiculous.

As an aside if you want to see the toxicity of what is going on in Europe now that a close look at what is currently going on in the Batley and Spen election in England at the moment. That sort of poisonous and divivise rethoric will be a feature of our elections soon. We don't need it but continuing uncontrolled mass immigration is bringing it here cheered on by the usual suspects.

The toxicity is coming from the Bigots

Annasopra

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Do you identify with the irish culture of equal rights for women/gay/lesbians/etc?



If you do, are you willing to prevent this culture from being adapted into something that is less equal so as to accommodate people who may have a different view on equality?

Its always amusing how a lot of these staunch defenders of womens and LGBT rights come out of the woodwork when they were never seen fighting for them in the first place. Almost like they just want to use Women and LGBT people.