What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119338557#Comment_119338557

Funny it's all about Ukrainians for you.

What about the other 70% that are not Ukrainians.

What about the ones masquerading as Ukrainians.

Have you a thing against just Ukrainians.

Perhaps if we weeded out all the fraudulent asylum claims we would be able to help the Ukranians better than offering tents

SEPT 23 1989

“International Protection”

they are the new words now

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119338685#Comment_119338685

Its what the recent complaints are about on this thread, just staying on topic is all

WealthyB

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119338557#Comment_119338557

Option 3: stop giving wasters the gravy train of a lifetime.

You probably think Jacinda down under is awesome, but if someone here proposed we had an immigration policy similar to NZ you'd be screaming racism

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119338493#Comment_119338493

It's great to hear someone speaking sense in the daily, but christ almighty O Brian has shown what an absolute out of touch idiot He is. Can't wait to see him eating his words as a cap or total cessation on migration is inevitable.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119338405#Comment_119338405

I heard it too and it was unbelievable. She steadfastly refused to say there was a problem, saying she was following up thousands of people who had pledged accommodation and it would all "come to fruition"!!! She's so out of touch, bonkers. I actually couldn't believe what I was hearing. Sarah McInerney sounded stunned herself and kinda just said "we'll leave it there so".

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119338784#Comment_119338784

You believe that refugees from Ukraine are wasters on a gravy train?

Thankfully Ireland has chosen to go with option 2 and ignore the whiners and just get on with helping these and other folks arriving here

Strumms

There are many arriving here seeking a shed load more from the state / taxpayers then basic protection. Which is what asylum is.

don’t want anyone in a tent but I’m fine with a modular home with furniture, running water, electricity, cooker, kettle, shower and food storage…

“Taoiseach Micheál Martin has insisted people fleeing wars will be prioritised in the Irish asylum system after he revealed only 30pc of people in the Citywest reception centre in Dublin are Ukrainians escaping the Russian invasion.” Awesome..

’wars’… there are about 23 major conflicts / wars ongoing…. If we apply that there will be thousands and thousands more arriving every year. There won’t be anything near the quality of life we’ve been having..

end_101

It's a problem in the long run when you consider native Irish people are about 3 million, Nigeria is 160 million, Africa is over 1 billion, India over 1 billion, China 1.2 billion and so on. The world population is 8 billion leaving indigenous Irish at 0.0375% of the Worlds population.

We are an endangered minority essentially. We are also without any ethnic protections from our government which is quite hostile to our own interests while they inject a a million + foreigners into the country, most of which have no intention of leaving.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339563#Comment_119339563

Please stop using the Ukrainian refugees as an example of what the problem is.

You know right well that the problem is not Ukrainians and no where near what we had intended to help have arrived here.

Why don't you tell us where the accommodation and health services are going to come from for these migrants. Or are you like our government, on some kind of crusade to to turn this island into one big massive refugee camp.

Please stop posting pretending to be defending the Ukrainians and maybe suggest some solutions on ending the migrant fiasco in this country. Something our government cannot and isn't bothered about.

dorothylives

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119338350#Comment_119338350

It could be worse, voters in my constituency voted for Violet Wynne.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119338557#Comment_119338557

Actually I have no problem with real Ukrainians getting anything from the government. If they are genuine refugees from Ukraine then it's only right to help thme.

My bigger problem is that there is no basic test to see if they really are Ukrainian. As a result, it's already happened that groups from Africa and the Middle East have exploited the situation to claim they were living in Ukraine. And nobody challenges them on the obvious lies. I've been to Ukraine. It's not exactly a multicultural melting pot, not even in Kiev. I doubt anyone could live there and not pick up a bit of the language. We should be separating the genuine refugees from the opportunists.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119338557#Comment_119338557

Option 3 - give them 300 euro per month, the average wage in Ukraine, rather than 200 euro per week(along with other benefits that make it look like a minor lotto win to the average Ukrainian). BTW that figure is far and away the highest of anywhere in the world. In Germany, the strongest economy in Europe, they get just over 300 euro per month, and have to jump through hoops to get it.

Option 4 - Vet every single case from Ukraine coming into our country. If found to be chancers, throw them out at the first available opportunity. Only take in women, children and the elderly and injured men, or single fathers. Use Ukraine's own criteria here.

Option 5 - Introduce a cap. Introduce a clear plan for the future to return and re-integrate them into Ukraine.

Option 6 - Non Ukrainians get vetted, including those already here and if found to be welfare and economic tourists, which most of them are, throw them out at the first available opportunity. Automatically throw out those coming from the UK recently.

You may choose to peddle the royal "we" as far as help goes, but even slanted surveys that came out today show the Irish people are turning a corner on that and the first such survey a few months ago when "we" were far more on board showed half wouldn't give a room to Ukrainians, the other half would, if they had the room. Hardly a ringing endorsement is it?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339563#Comment_119339563

And watch how Ireland, not Lalaland is shifting against that and rapidly. Fast forward a few months and we'll see how Ireland chooses as a people. This is the joke and irony, two things the Right On are remarkably and hopelessly deficient in; they quite understandably and rightfully want to head off currently miniscule Far Right threat creeping into the narrative, yet because they run on naivety, feels, magic money trees and deaf ears to realities on the ground are hellbent on creating the very environment where the same Far Right will thrive.

Fandymo

I decided to write to my 3 local government TDs. I doubt I’ll get a proper answer from any of them. Alan Farrell, Joe O’Brien and Darragh O’Brien. But we can live in hope.

Dear TDs, 

What would you describe your job as? What is your remit as a TD? 

From what I can find online, the role of a TD is to be the elected representative of the Irish citizens in the area they are elected. 

There is no mention of being a representative of the UN, the EU, multiple NGOs, Pharma companies, Vulture Funds, Ukraine, Nigeria, Georgia or any other country in the world. 

So why do your parties have Ireland and the Irish people so far down your list of priorities? It has gone beyond incompetence now, and looks more and more like a planned collapse of Ireland. We have porous, open borders. We have rewards for people entering the country illegally. We have sex offenders remaining in the country in contempt of a court order and our gormless Minister for Justice calls it “a complex matter”. We have people flooding into Ireland from “war zones” in Ukraine and heading back on holiday once they have secured social welfare here. We have “asylum seekers” who once granted status head back to the country they are seeking “asylum“ from on holidays. 

We have had a housing issue in Ireland over the last decade and more, we were told there was nothing that could be done about it. Suddenly, we can find housing for thousands of non-Irish people on top of full social welfare, medical cards, free travel etc. If I lose my job tomorrow I’ll have to jump through 100 hoops to get a social welfare payment, multiple forms, bank statements etc. I won’t be housed, fed, watered and given my €208 a week on top of that. I’ll be given €208 to buy food, electricity, heating, rent etc. Thats the thanks an Irish citizen gets after paying taxes for the last 24 years. 

Is there absolutely no one in government with their ear to the ground? Why are you trying to bankrupt the country? Why is there no proper deportation process in a country over run with fake asylum seekers? Why is the government so fearful of NGOs?? 

I don’t want a mealy-mouthed reply back about this, that and the other and doing our best. If this is your best, then admit you aren’t qualified to be in your position and walk away, do the honourable thing for your country. 

I want to know what you, as my representatives in Dáil Éireann are doing to represent me, my family, my friends and the rest of the Irish citizens in Ireland. What are you doing to secure the future of Ireland? Bankrupting us won’t help us. I have absolutely zero faith in any of your parties to represent me. FF and FG may as well merge nowadays and the Greens aren’t even worth mentioning. None of your parties will ever get a vote from me or my family in the future. 

My main hope for the future of Ireland is that the U.K. threaten to close the CTA and it forces Ireland to tighten its borders, and that the upcoming recession forces the IMF to re-enter Ireland and make us fiscally competent again. There is a lot of pain coming worldwide when this upcoming crash kicks in. Hopefully the backlash gives us some decent new parties who are willing to work for the people that pay them and that they can remember who they work for. 

Yours,

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340422#Comment_119340422

Would you mind if I used that too? Excellently written and to the point.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340464#Comment_119340464

Not at all.

“Taoiseach Micheál Martin has insisted people fleeing wars will be prioritised in the Irish asylum system after he revealed only 30pc of people in the Citywest reception centre in Dublin are Ukrainians escaping the Russian invasion.”

30 per cent. Even if that were true it would be a disgrace. Frankly, I really doubt it's as high as 30 per cent. But of course we'll never know the real estimate because nobody has a clue what's actually happening. It's total chaos.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340464#Comment_119340464

This is tangible action that we can all take. We need more of this. Well done folks.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340527#Comment_119340527

I just sent the email to Willie O Dea, Brian Leddin and Kieran O Donnell. As Fandymo said, we probably won't even get replies.

riddles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340527#Comment_119340527

That’s it let them know personally their lack of representation of people who work in this country will have consequences

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340597#Comment_119340597

Probably not. But it's a start.

The pushback against this madness is never going to be led by those at the top. It has to come from the ground up.

Nobody in government or the media will ever risk their reputations on this issue. The buck stops with nobody.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340422#Comment_119340422

Very well written, but I have come to the conclusion that it will land on the desk of someone who doesn't care or hasn't a clue about the state of the country.

You see these people are sitting on their big salaries with their private health care and also knowing they will always be looked for towing the line.

Another conclusion of mine is that alot of our policy and decisions are being made in Europe in exchange for guarantees of cushy appointments and jobs for the boys.

A blind man can see that this government has no interest in the good of Irish citizens.

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340597#Comment_119340597

Thanks for letting us know. I've send them all emails explaining who they are getting the emails from and showing them support. Great stuff.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339563#Comment_119339563

"Thankfully Ireland has chosen to go with option 2, and ignore the whiners"....Were the Irish people even asked what they wanted??? I would not want to be politician going door to door canvassing when ever we have the next election.

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339696#Comment_119339696

Yours wasn't the only one 😂

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340845#Comment_119340845

And how did you explain "who they are getting the emails from"? Did you use the term far right, racist, white nationalist by any chance?

You are completely deluded if you think you are helping. There is a long overdue debate to be had in this country regarding ILLEGAL migration by non-EU and non-Ukraine migrants.

People have valid concerns but you want to dismiss them as being "anti-immigrant".

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340958#Comment_119340958

I would wager you are in a minority. When it comes to immigration the population of Ireland are like a herd of sheep getting coralled by one or two sheep dogs. The ones who speak up get chased and nipped at by the sheep dog. The rest of the herd see that and move to run a way.

In my opinion there is a LOT of unspoken disagreement with the Government's (lack of) policies on this issue. It's chaos, it's being made up on the hoof, and there is nobody who will take responsibility for it.

people want a cap

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2022/07/15/poll-reveals-fears-over-states-capacity-to-manage-refugees/

The_Kew_Tour

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341219#Comment_119341219

That must be wrong. Sure we were told it’s only a few that want that in here.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2022/07/15/numbers-seeking-refuge-in-ireland-almost-double-2019-figures-unhcr-says/

"Enda O’Neill, head of office at the UNHCR Ireland, said the State has been receiving about 380 to 400 international protection applications a week since May.

This is in addition to the Ukrainian refugees that are arriving into the country, which stands at almost 41,000 since February.

“We have to be cognisant of the fact that we’re just on the back of two very difficult years during Covid when travelling was very difficult so if you go back to 2019 and compare it to that period, it’s a little under double the figures for that period,” he said on RTE Radio’s Morning Ireland."

irishproduce

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340422#Comment_119340422

That is an impressive summary of what a lot are worried about. Fair play

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341219#Comment_119341219

Sometimes I feel like the Government and the opposition really don't live in the real world, anyone with the slightest bit of cop on could see that we can't take unlimited amounts of people

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341062#Comment_119341062

Well it's pretty clear the argument in favour of the credo of multiculturalism is remarkably and surprisingly empty and anything that questions this near religious politic is dismissed, deflected and ultimately ends up in calls for censure and sanction(with insult thrown in) while running to "authority" to do it, so what did you actually expect BollixC?

OK let us come at this from another direction: If those against it in its current form are such a tiny minority and the vast majority of Irish people are right behind it; then why are those who support it so very concerned and call for any debate that isn't 100% behind this faith to be censured? This should tell you all you need to know. They know it's not nearly so defensible, they know it's a remarkably weak "Accepted Truth" and they know people are asking valid questions of it. Like I said before this politic acts very much like a religion. Questions are a heresy, because they can't answer them with logic.

For another example of this: Look at how housing minister O'Brien reacted to TD Nolan when she asked the quite rational and hardly inflammatory question of had the government carried out any impact assessments into the numbers coming into Ireland. He slapped her down on the spot, near ranted at her that there would be no caps and then accused her of "undermining social cohesion". All he was short of doing was accusing her of racism. By asking a simple and logical question and suggestion that maybe our bloody government might have planned ahead? Is this "social cohesion" he spoke of so terribly delicate that it is to be feared that it could change so easily? Clearly he thinks it is, which strongly suggests he damn well knows a) they have screwed up and b) that this is not nearly so popular a drive with the Irish people.

And now a few weeks later we're erecting tents for Ukrainian refugees, while adding over three billlion euro to our bill, a goodly proportion of whom it turns out aren't Ukrainian and unlikely to be refugees and our propeller heads in government are now pushing the blame onto the Brits. Oh and our government announced to the world and long before putin's ego started a bloody war that "asylum seekers" would have turn key accommodation and access to the same services as Irish people within months of entering this country. You really couldn't make this level of bullshít and incompetence up and none of this was put to the Irish people. Never mind that a couple of years ago the bowl Leo actually namechecked Georgians and Ukrainians as problematic because of the high number of scam applications. Now of course he made sure to only namecheck the pale scammers, the near 100% of Nigerian applicants being refused by the department as scammers being magically invisible. Don't want to undermine this pillar of "social cohesion" they speak so highly of.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340958#Comment_119340958

There's more than ten posters (not going to assume anyone's gender on an anonymous forum) keeping the thread alive..

As for the majority, I don't think anyone on boards represents the majority.. as the majority are mostly ignorant of what's been going on this country, except for their local areas. I would say that there is a growing cohort of anti-immigration (not necessarily anti-immigrant) sentiment from the conversations I've participated in, or heard across the country.. but they still wouldn't be the majority, more likely the average person getting a bit weary of all the pro-immigration posturing, and the range of costs involved.

Lastly, the echo chamber comment means nothing because there are a wide variety of perspectives on the thread. I agree with some of what Wibbs says, and he might agree with some of mine, but there's plenty we would disagree on. The same goes for most posters here. It's the reason the thread is one of the better threads out there regarding immigration, because there is such a variety of opinions.

I realise that you like to have a simplistic black/white perspective of the world.. but for most other people, they recognise that agreement can be reached on some issues, while disagreeing with others. As opposed to your desire to attack/dismiss anything that doesn't match your own viewpoint.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341271#Comment_119341271

And they're all far right wingers too!

Did something change or is the Taoiseach lying to the country?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1547897006491717637?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1547897006491717637%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fvzm9i0%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-refugees-should-be-distributed-across-eu-berlin-says-2022-03-28/

"EU officials said there would be no obligatory quotas of refugees to be hosted per country"

Just how representative is the 30% Ukrainians 70% 'others' - is it across the board?

Are the quoted figures of 39,000 Ukrainian refugees the 30% or is it the 100%.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/number-of-ukraine-refugees-in-ireland-nears-39000-1324542.html

So many questions

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340200#Comment_119340200

What evidence is there to support your claim "groups from Africa and the Middle East have exploited the situation to claim they were living in Ukraine"?

Actual evidence, not heresay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341219#Comment_119341219

Taniste confirms no cap

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1547897006491717637?s=20&t=YNpf7Mz-IKWPU7icjosp0A

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119342012#Comment_119342012

I think the evidence will be that a fella that kicked a dog did a video and some Indian looking men were at the airport. Because the men were not white, it was seen as cast iron proof that they weren't Ukrainian citizens or had Ukrainian papers. I think the evidence is that they snuck into the line with the Ukrainians while the officials were not looking? I'm not quite sure. Correct me if I'm wrong. Can't say I buy it myself. I'm sure the trained officials have the ability to check papers and stop people jumping over barriers and sneaking into lines. I'm pretty sure they have the ability to do that myself. The fella that kicked a dog is here, just for your information. It does say that he got fired for dereliction of duty rather than kicking the dog or threatening to kill a woman's much loved family dog in another incident.

https://twitter.com/soundmigration/status/1374848832828243968

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119342012#Comment_119342012

Whatever about claiming to be Ukrainians, a bit of a stretch for Nigerians for example(you might remember the stories of Africans trying to get out of Ukraine early on were held back by Ukrainians and put to the back of the queue. And if you think we've got a "far right" attitude problem here, you clearly have never talked with many Ukrainians re race, same for most EE cultures), 70% of those "refugees/asylum seekers" in Citywest aren't Ukrainians.

Taoiseach Micheál Martin has said there has been "a surge" in international protection applications in recent months and suggested that the UK's Rwanda policy has played a role in the dramatic increase.

Yep, just when you thought it wasn't the Brits. It was the Brits. The dastards!

Feck all to do with that grinning moron O'Gormon announcing this time last year in Arabic, Georgian, Albanian and French that(even though Georgia and Albania are at the top of the tree for scam artists that Leo himself namchecked) a free for all come on in that these "asylum seekers" would have their own door accommodation after only 4 months along with all the other taxpayer funded state aids on top. He was and is literally asking for chancers and scumbags.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119342026#Comment_119342026

You do understand the two positions are mutually exclusive? And will become ever more so as the months go on and inflation, lack of housing for actual Irish people, energy shortages etc bite. And watch and see how many votes the same Taniste gets in the next election. I'm willing to bet he and his party will get a shock.

Wasn't there a photo earlier in the Ukrainian refugee thread showing solidarity for Ukraine at Croke Park (near the beginning of the conflict), with 6-8 people supposedly from Ukraine, but with four obviously not Ukrainians? (Black/M.Eastern)

The defence being that there were non-Ukrainians living in Ukraine, but we should provide refuge for them too. I seem to remember DaCor defending them as being residents in Ukraine (without any evidence that they were) and we should be helping them too. After all, apparently, Ireland should be a refuge for everyone..

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119342320#Comment_119342320

Well to be fair a Black Ukrainian would win the Right On Top Trumps.

In any case, could we swing back to multiculturalism in Ireland, as opposed to the Ukrainian situation? (There being two threads aimed at that already)

Honestly, I suspect this is an attempt to shutdown the thread... and I'd prefer we had somewhere, like this thread, to discuss immigration/multiculturalism.. Continuing with all the Ukrainian stuff is sure to get the mods involved, unless we're going to discuss the actual impact of Ukrainians on Irish culture/society, but not in terms of the refugee situation.

malinheader

Another embarrassing car crash interview on rte this evening. This time FFs Mary Fitzpatrick.

It's as clear as day the ministers and even worse the government hasn't a clue what to do with the influx of migrants and don't even seem bothered.

Seriously, who is calling the shots in this country

dorothylives

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119342320#Comment_119342320

I thought some of those people were students and that our government gave them refugee status to continue their studies here. I could be wrong.

Beasty

We have a separate thread to discuss Ukrainian refugees. Do not bring them up on this one

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340958#Comment_119340958

Am I on your list Lmao? And if so, why was I not in copy? You have some damn cheek, deciding who is a " Spammer". or Sh*t stirring Scum as you describe them., and "reporting them.!!! Do you believe that everyone who has reservations about the present situation re Asylum seekers etc, and voices an opinion here on Boards, fall into that category?. I'll continue to post as I see fit, and if you don't agree with what I post, tough. But as a reminder, we still have freedom of speech here. And means that even if you disagree with what they are saying, they have every right to be heard. And for the record, with genuine war fleeing Refugees, I support 100% helping them, but others who are just jumping on the Ukrainian bandwagon? No not under ant circumstances.

dorothylives

According to RTE news the government is looking at several properties in Dublin to 'replicate City West'. It really looks like they're trying to kill the tourism industry in Dublin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119342386#Comment_119342386

In the initial stages of the war, everyone from Ukraine that the Aid agencies sent, were accepted here (as per the no background checking policy). It was only later that the stipulation about not having a place in their home country became part of the policy.

It's still an utterly retarded position.. to offer foreign students (non-Ukrainians) in Ukraine a place in Ireland. If they were eligible (and could afford) to be here, then they would have been here already, not studying in a 2nd world nation within an educational system known to be corrupt and open to bribery.

Leaving this here. It was already covered to death on the other thread.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119342026#Comment_119342026

No surprises here.

Since when did this government care what's happening in Ireland.

There only a shower of puppets on massive wages doing what the European leaders tell them to.