What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Sunny Disposition

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537372#Comment_118537372

High levels of immigration to any developed country do lead to increased property prices, as surely as night follows day. Trying to argue otherwise is really strange. You must know something that has eluded the worlds finest minds up until now.

Glock17

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537508#Comment_118537508

Of course mass immigration reduces wages on a national level.... how could it possible be otherwise?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537508#Comment_118537508

Considering that's counting ALL immigration it's not exactly a great barometer.

As migrants from countries such as Ireland will be close to 100%, as they are usually go getters.

It will skew the numbers if the large proportion of migrants are working to near 100%.

Find a report of non EU migration(excluding the newest nations) and see what the figures are.

MarkEadie

People suggesting that Ireland leave the EU have absolutely no understanding of contemporary economics.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537513#Comment_118537513

It’s an absolute certainty I know less than you do, which is why I’m having difficulty with your rather vague statement tbh. The reason this line of discussion kicked off is because the claim was made that mass immigration means immigrants are getting houses, meaning Irish people are unable to get houses.

It’s simply not true that immigration has any impact on anyones ability to purchase property. What impacts anyones ability to purchase property is their ability to pay for it. That’s it. Immigration doesn’t push up house prices - increased demand sets the values of properties. Immigration doesn’t decrease house prices either, but ghettoisation of immigrants can see the value of properties in any given area, drop like a stone - properties are more affordable, but Irish people don’t want to live among immigrants in ghettoised areas.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537527#Comment_118537527

Why don’t you read the report I provided for yourself and find out? I wouldn’t expect you to take my word for anything.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537581#Comment_118537581

Ha? Do your own research if you want to make a point. Don’t expect I’m going to do your research for you.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537513#Comment_118537513

I'd have thought it is fairly basic stuff to grasp, more people= more housing needed.

When the tiger calved we had net emigration, more houses than were required and prices n rents slumped. Some posters may deny that also though!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537675#Comment_118537675

Yawn... I glanced over the huge report and saw no distinction of immigrants provided outside of "UK Vs Non UK".

Not engaging with you again. Waste of time..all the best.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537585#Comment_118537585

You continue to make claims that weren't made... Nobody in recent months, has wanted all immigrants deported. Just as nobody has said for us to leave the EU.

You really need to get a grip. Perhaps stick to what people have written as opposed to the arguments you make up. God knows, if you actually understood the topic at hand, you'd be able to actually argue properly (without constantly needing to make **** up).

Still waiting on that evidence I requested, Mark.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537129#Comment_118537129

No pushing anyone up or down? Do you remember Tenia Karim from a few years ago? A Kurdish man and resident of a social housing apartment worth €700,000 in a luxury Rathgar development, who stupidly went public whinging that social welfare tenants didn’t get to use the buildings private gym.

Who until a few months beforehand had been working in Calgary Airport in Canada, but had arrived in Ireland and within 6 months was in a social welfare apartment and was called out on his tweets from a few months previously where he walked out of his job in Calgary due to “racism”.

Probably just lucky that DCCs list was quiet at the time eh?

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118538480#Comment_118538480

Yes, I remember him, and no, I don’t think DCC’s social housing waiting list was any quieter or busier that day than any other day. They already had the accommodation, sold to DCC by the developer fulfilling their obligations under the Housing Act as one of 19 properties set aside for social housing.

I also know that accommodation is based upon an assessment of need and the suitability of the property. Gym, concierge and pet ownership were not part of the agreement signed with the approved housing body managing the tenancies on behalf DCC. It wasn’t just that clown (that may be the one thing we both agree on 😂) who was impacted by the decision, there were also other social housing tenants involved who also peeved at the fact they were being discriminated against because of the fact that the agreement with the housing body did not give them the same rights as the other property occupants who were not social housing tenants -

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/social-tenants-in-rathgar-complex-excluded-from-certain-facilities-1.4415042

The decision had nothing to do with the fact he was an immigrant, nor the fact that he had arrived from Canada six months earlier. His need for accommodation was assessed on the same basis as everyone else on social housing waiting lists like Margaret Cash and the many, many other Irish people who have been vilified on Boards by social justice warrior types who take it upon themselves to opine on behalf of the hard working taxpayer who is paying for these people’s lifestyles, y’know, Irish people like Martina Deegan and her children -

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-mum-temporary-housing-11-25291857.amp

Let’s not pretend you actually give a shìte about Irish people being pushed up or down any social housing list, they’re only useful as an abstract concept when you want to argue that immigrants should be deprived of accommodation. You’d deprive Irish people of accommodation if you could just as quickly for not meeting your exceedingly high standards of moral virtue, to the point where the only person on your social housing list would be the people who don’t have any need for accommodation in social housing, people who are not just identical to you, they are you! 😂

Doesn’t operate like that Fandymo, and I wouldn’t hold your breath for any apologies for it not operating as you want it to either.

Sunny Disposition

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537692#Comment_118537692

It really is rather basic, some quite magical thinking required to form the belief that immigration does not affect property prices.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118529290#Comment_118529290

“ Most illegal immigrants are working in this country and paying taxes”

“ Anyone I know of Asian and African ethnicity get on perfectly well”

You can of course backup these claims !

rgossip30

Demand drives up house prices and immigration is a factor . This makes it harder to afford to buy simple as .

rgossip30

Empty properties that cost money to bring them to a standard suitable for renting !

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118534010#Comment_118534010

You know so many police of different nationalities.I take that with a grain of salt !!

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118534389#Comment_118534389

These pussies who support this should be made to watch a halal slaughter .

Glock17

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118538622#Comment_118538622

The whole situation is bizarre.

People come to Europe and demand housing. European citizens have to pay tax to provide this housing.

So europeans are paying tax to give houses to immigrants which pushes up house prices.

Yet if you're against this immigration you're a nasty racist and should be ignored?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118538719#Comment_118538719

How do you expect someone to back up their anecdotal experience? The second sentence was in response to a poster who claimed Asians and Africans do not get on well in the UK. Anyone who has spent time in, lived in or worked in the UK, knows that Asians and Africans get on perfectly well.

as for most illegal immigrants working, I already addressed it. A number of illegal immigrants have overstayed visas, they have continued to work and pay taxes, another cohort work in the black market, many nail bars, restaurants etc.

that is the second time I have posted the same things.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118538830#Comment_118538830

Why?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118538875#Comment_118538875

What took you to Europe? To live and work here?

Sunny Disposition

I was an immigrant myself for years, in two different countries. There’s zero doubt a certain level of immigration is good for a country. But there can be no doubt a very high level is going to impact on the property market. To suggest otherwise is just stupid. More people, more demand.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118538894#Comment_118538894

You could explain the reason why .

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118538893#Comment_118538893

Your posts are a joke making claims and just expect people to take your word for them . I would agree a number do but not most and not most paying tax . !! They will likely go on welfare and some will continue working for cash when they get status .

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118539381#Comment_118539381

Because in my world I have a lot of interaction with law enforcement. I dont however have any interaction with IT guys, or computer technicians. Neither do I have a lot of interaction with doctors, except in a private capacity. That's my world. I'm not sure why it's so unbelievable, police are people and they do work and socialise just like everyone else 😉

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537109#Comment_118537109

Yes I am angry when spout absolute shyte to try and pedal their beliefs.

I will continously call you out on the cr**.

The latest here being that immigrants have no effect on our accommodation and property markets.

You also demand facts and figures from others, but are quite happy to give anecdotal evidence from the long long list of people you know.

And then you sidestep inconvenient questions or facts and of course concentrate on small points i.e. deflection 101.

And no I am not unhappy that foreigners I know have bought property in Ireland because they are all working, paying taxes and doing their best to integrate into our society.

Note all of these are working not sponging off the taxpayers and expecting a property handed to them.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537129#Comment_118537129

Thank you I try and be concise where possible.

Surely there has to be a housing list of some sort so that those most eligible are highlighted ????

There are always lists.

And if an applicant's needs change then surely they would be promoted or demoted on a list of people in line for housing ???

And if someone suddenly turns up with kids then they must get promoted ahead of someone else?

Now when the likes of Pamela Izevbekhai turned up with her two kids did she not move ahead of someone else in terms of preference to housing ?

In other words someone else was deemed less eligible and thus dropped in the order of preference.

Remind us how the positive effects of immigration helps someone who now can't find somewhere to rent on their budget never mind buy ???

I can't believe we are having to debate this with adults.

It is a bit like how some think that there is a bottomless money pit so that extra money spent in one area has absolutely no effect on spending elsewhere.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118539571#Comment_118539571

So your issue is with workers v non workers? So not an immigration problem as such?

There is a massive problem in this country when it comes to welfare, I wouldn't just be blaming foreign nationals for that, when we have massive amounts of people here who will never work.

And anger is not good for your insides.......

mohawk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118539596#Comment_118539596

You miss the point entirely. We can’t do anything with Irish people living here who require help from the state for housing and other benefits. We can’t ship them off to another country and unless we get rid of the welfare state we will continue to support them via taxation.

Now as we all know as an Irish person if we choose to immigrate to certain countries we have to prove we can support ourselves. Which is fair enough and is as it should be.

We can see from immigration in places like UK, France etc that if the immigrants are unable to support themselves they and their children often end up in poverty with all the negative consequences associated with it. Now look what happens in UK or any other developed nation when they get immigrants who have the skillset to support themselves. They and their children tend not to end up in poverty. Which is a good thing and your not concerned about things like ghettoisation and they are contributing to the country like their coworkers, friends and neighbours.

An increase in net immigration does mean more demand for housing, healthcare, schools etc. At end of the day certain immigrants cost taxpayer far more then others. A country can do something about this aka restrict immigration to those who can support themselves.

This of course has been explained in this thread multiple times by posters far more knowledgeable then myself.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118539596#Comment_118539596

Always the same deflection... we have some here. so people can't criticise migrants who do the same.

There are heaps of threads on boards relating to criticism of Irish people on welfare. The idea that we shouldn't comment on migrants who end up on welfare is ridiculous. Besides which, by your own arguments, many migrants have become Irish, and so, they're eligible for criticism as Irish people of foreign origin.

Sometimes I wonder if you remember your own arguments.. you tend to flip back and forth all the time, ignoring how logic applies in a discussion.

As for anger.. you could extend some respect to the posters you engage with and avoid this manner of posting "style", as you'd have to be retarded not to know it irritates people (nope, not calling you retarded, since I suspect you intentionally post this way to annoy others)

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118539937#Comment_118539937

It's amazing, yet unsurprising, that years later, they still pretend that we won't critique native scum, when most of do it gladly and regularly. I can't tell you how many times I've been mass down voted on r/Ireland, or r/Dublin, for highlighting the criminality of our natives, which many love to deny. At this stage we can't allow the defense of stupidity, as it's very clear that they know where we stand, yet conveniently pretend that we don't stand there, just so that they can pretend that we're "racist".