What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830874#Comment_118830874

im of the realisation you’d probably not want to stop at any number at all, just open up our borders

👍️

Strumms

Thanks for confirming. :)

Hamachi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118831135#Comment_118831135

To give you credit, at least you’re transparent in your motivations, regardless of how insane they are.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830023#Comment_118830023

So how does their high level of educated people coming here and working, somehow, in your mind, turn into those same people getting handouts from the state? I think you're a bit confused.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118832132#Comment_118832132

Because they are not entitled to work from the get go, it takes time before that’s allowed..stop being confused. :)

It will in addition drive down wages though. Low paid workers are disproportionately affected…but so is everyone.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118832367#Comment_118832367

If you are referring to the Ukrainian folks, there might be a few days they can start work straight away. The govt have a facility in the airport where they get sorted with PPS #, visa documents etc before they have even left the grounds of the airport.

They can walk into a job that day if they had one lined up.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118832387#Comment_118832387

you are correct.

wow. So we are adding tens of thousands to the Labour market as well as the as is under resourced health services from the get go….

just what can go wrong. :)

what a time to be Irish. :)

they are in a difficult situation but we are going to enable their wellbeing by compromising our own… worrying.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118832394#Comment_118832394

So, you dont want people here taking from the state and giving nothing back.

But, you don't want people here working and trying to look after themselves.

Tis hard pleasing some people............

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118832575#Comment_118832575

It’s almost as if they want a coherent plan that’s well thought out and managed. Do you think our political class will feel the pinch when the consequences arrive?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118832669#Comment_118832669

Its.almost as if people are never happy!I

Social welfare do their job, not happy. Social welfare dont do their job, not happy.

people are on social welfare, not happy. People are working, not happy.

like I said, it's hard to please some people....

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118819736#Comment_118819736

A does not cause B. Frankly its absurd and bizarre and just pure drivel and nonsense to claim her disability claim is being checked because Ireland is taking in Ukrainian refugees. Your cousins predicament is awful. Ukrainian refugees are not to blame for it and its disgusting to be blaming them.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118820470#Comment_118820470

So what if they have no kids. No need to drag your homophobic attitudes into it.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118832690#Comment_118832690

People are not happy at the prospect of housing and providing services to an unknown number of refugees with no end date in sight. We are a small country, we can’t handle problems of this size with zero planning or caps. It’s pretty straightforward. I have major concerns about financing this with our existing debt and rising interest rates.

How will you feel when your kids future is hampered by this and college becomes unaffordable? When there are no old folks home places or hospital beds or services available as a result of all this? When you can’t get into a hospital?

These are the reasons you plan for these situations and place manageable caps on them.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118821698#Comment_118821698

Thats common. It has been happening for a long time. Its not bullying. And its not a new procedure because of Ukraine.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118821768#Comment_118821768

Nah sorry you are talking absolute bollox here.

These checks have been happening for years.

Its 100% categorically not the fault of Ukrainian refugees that your cousins DSP claim is being checked/verified.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118832720#Comment_118832720

There was a woman on the news a few weeks ago that has an autistic kid. They haven't had a 1 to 1 meeting with a therapist since pre covid n there's loads in the same boat. Some specialist was on saying the early years are absolutely crucial for development.

A month before there was a woman with mica in the house in Donegal a badger would nearly fit through the holes never mind rats.

Both issues not sorted due to a lack of funding n I wish them luck getting sorted in the future while our politicians play the best boys in Europe.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118832890#Comment_118832890

My godson is autistic, hasn't had any therapist meetings since before covid either. Nothing to do with Ukrainian refugees however.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118832890#Comment_118832890

Indeed. Setting Autistic children, Mica homeowners and people on disability benefits against Ukranians fleeing from war achieves nothing though. Unless of course the aim is to divide and to sew resentment and hatred against Ukranians. Its classic them versus us blame tactics in order to raise the negative rhetoric and we've seen it time and time again.

Annasopra

And its kinda hilarious because the ones now moaning about Irish homeless and Irish welfare recipients have often been the ones setting up that them versus us of Irish taxpayers versus so called welfare "spongers"

There's plenty of money in this country. governments cannot budget accordingly and waste money in all areas. That's a governance issue.

government have for years wasted money, that's where the problems are.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118832965#Comment_118832965

We do have some that are cradle to grave welfare recipients, no long term plan to get off welfare. Get pregnant as a teenager and on the housing list, pop out a few more to get moved up. Can you blame them? If the alternative is working a minimum wage job and renting for the rest of you life with no stability. It’s not sustainable though.

The ‘homeless’ problem is really an addiction problem and you can’t house them due to the problems their addiction creates.

People have issues with the fact that suddenly the government seem to think they can house, feed, educate, pay and provide health services for an unknown number of refugees from a country with a population ten times ours. When they are already failing to do these things for the existing population. I ask again, HOW?

https://youtu.be/CDtleGir0iU

I was sent this earlier. The bulk of the video isn't anything worth watching but the screen shot from the video not playing is the issue.

Yet again, the Department of Justice show themselves incapable and unwilling to apply our immigration laws. Four Indian guys standing outside the reception centre where the Ukrainians are being hosted and saying they're from Donesk.

I suppose for a lot of us here, this is why we're worried about this crisis. It's not that we have any issue with the nuts and bolts of what's being done(helping a set number for a certain period of time), it's that for twenty years the Department of Justice has shown a complete lack of willingness to apply our laws.

If any other Department acted outside of the laws and processes would there not be a tribunal where the Sec General and higher staff are made to explain why they aren't following the guidelines?.

Imagine if Social Welfare refused 20k claims over twenty years but only actually cut the money off a few hundred of that number... Would questions not be asked?.

It's hardly a coincidence to me that living standards here have slipped in the last twenty years which runs parallel to the DP process.

The system where no matter who comes in, from where, for what reason and does whatever when they're here... Never get deported.

I would LOVE if our lovely Justice minister ended up with this four in her house after she said she'd "consider" taking in some.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118832760#Comment_118832760

Great level of debate…anyway

i don’t believe it’s a check / verification… neither does our other cousin who up to a year ago, worked for said government department.. it’s likely being done on the basis that they want her off this payment as they do others to enable more ability for OUR government to look after non citizens and non taxpayers, which they are and will be doing much more of.

not a coincidence and the timing, pandemic, it’s absolutely lousy….

has to go about printing bank statements, letter from GP and something I won’t mention but which will give them two fingers and enable the entitlement to remain.

I’ve empathy for the Ukrainians but our country and it’s people to try to absorb a 4% population increase over a few weeks and provide all those people with accommodation, money, healthcare etc…

is basically fûcking our citizens under the bus…but we’ve become used to that.

MarkEadie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118833532#Comment_118833532

You actually used a video by that guy to make an argument and you expect to be taken seriously?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118833577#Comment_118833577

What you believe and the truth appear to be galaxies apart

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118833532#Comment_118833532

That ‘should’ be considered fraud. with the penalties applied as necessary.

however in Ireland now it would just be fellas ‘ chancing their arm ‘ … ‘ sure why arnt they entitled to it ‘…

living and wellbeing standards of taxpayers have fallen and will continue to do so.

we don’t have

• hospital capacity
• public transport capacity
• financial capacity to enable this without massive further borrowing as has been admitted… Irish taxpayers pick up the interest tab.

politicians have admitted that further metro expansion for the second and third lines won’t be ‘considered’ till after 2035…’considered’.

The minute a credible political force commit to prioritising the wellbeing of taxpayers they’ll have the trust of the people and remain in power…. Might be a wait though.

MarkEadie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118833577#Comment_118833577

People have to be audited if they are on welfare. It's common sense. I do agree that there are people working in deasp who clearly get enjoyment from humiliating and looking down on welfare receipients. No doubt about it and everyone who has had to deal with them is well aware that the job does seem to attract a high percentage of those kinds of people but what can you do. Also, if we didn't get 40 billion euro from the EU to upgrade the country, the welfare system wouldn't be what it is. So for someone talking about the detriments of the EU, you sure do like the welfare system that it helped create.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118833700#Comment_118833700

now we're on to blaming immigrants for the metro delays, jesus wept lol

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118833712#Comment_118833712

Our welfare system wasn’t created by the EU.

and we’ve payed millions and probably billions in fees to the EU as members….played a proactive part in its success.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118833732#Comment_118833732

We've taken farrrr more than we've put in, by a long gap

Next excuse?