What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP
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It's going to take the people to wake up first. Even on this boards forum the amount of people defending what is happening and all to happy to see the country go down the sewer is unreal. Too many people afraid of being labelled racist.
If you check most of the discussions on boards concerning this issue it is mostly posters who are against the open door no background check policy that are banned or warned. As I said nothing be done until people wake up to what is happening.
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Going through Letterkenny it looks like we are a minority.
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Wonder how the locals feel about it
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There are also many in the tech and other sectors who are giving medium skilled jobs to people requiring visas etc ahead of Irish /EU citizens.
Not all IT is highly skilled, I work in it 😂
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In Ireland, Charity really never begins at home!
What's being done to Ireland is abhorrent!!!
Ohh don’t be so dramatic. “What’s being done to Ireland”, as if as many as 200,000 refugees or asylum seekers or immigrants would even make a dint in a population of five million!
What’s being done to Ireland is that Government are not a charity, and have never given the impression that they were, so while €3Bn is being budgeted to accommodate Ukrainian refugees, you neglected to mention where the Government is spending the rest of its budget, and still has a surplus, as opposed to your claims that the country is bankrupt. Some of the main areas of Government expenditure include:
- The Department of Social Protection budget allocation is €23.4 billion in 2023.
- The Department of Education budget allocation is €8.7 billion in 2023.
- The Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth budget allocation is €2.4 billion.
- The Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage budget allocation is €6.3 billion in 2023.
- Capital funding of €2.3 billion has been allocated for social and affordable housing in 2023. The funding is expected to deliver 9,100 new build social homes and over 5,550 affordable and cost rental homes.
- Funding for the Housing Assistance Payment (HAP) scheme will be €544 million in 2023. This will provide 8,800 new HAP tenancies and continue to support 58,400 existing HAP tenancies.
- Funding of €113 million for the Rental Accommodation Scheme (RAS) will support 800 new RAS tenancies in 2023, and continue to support 16,500 households already in the scheme.
- Funding of €20 million is allocated in 2023 for the delivery of Traveller-specific accommodation.
- Funding of €215 million has been allocated to homeless services in 2023. This will support local authorities providing emergency accommodation and other services and help people to exit homelessness.
- In 2023, €30 million is allocated to the Croí Cónaithe Fund. This fund is used to refurbish vacant properties and help provide serviced sites for sale in towns and villages. It is also used to increase owner occupier apartment development in cities by activating planning permissions.
- €67 million is provided for 12,300 grants to adapt the homes of older people and people with a disability. A further €25 million is allocated for adaptation works to 1,800 existing social homes.
- Funding of €65 million is provided to support the remediation of homes affected by pyrite and defective concrete blocks under the Pyrite & Mica Remediation Scheme.
- Funding of €87 million is provided to retrofit at least 2,400 social homes to bring them to a BER of B2 to make them more energy efficient.
- The Department of Health budget allocation is €23.4 billion.
- Women’s health funding of €32.2 million.
- €757 million is being allocated in 2023 for COVID-19 measures.
- €1.2 billion will be used for mental health services.
- €443 million in Budget 2023 is to reduce waiting lists. €225 million of this is from COVID-19 funding.
- €2.4 billion of the 2023 budget will be used for disability services.
- €2.4 billion in funding is provided for older people and people with dementia.
- €7.1 million is provided for oral healthcare measures including oral healthcare packages for children aged under 7.
- Separately, €9 million once-off funding is provided to reduce waiting lists in orthodontics.
- In 2023, €337 million will fund over 37,000 home energy upgrades including upgrades under the Warmer Homes Scheme for households in, or at risk of, energy poverty. €291 million of this funding is being provided from carbon tax revenue.
- A total of €3.5 billion is allocated to the Department of Transport in 2023.
- The Department of Justice is allocated €3.3 billion in 2023.
- The Legal Aid Board is allocated an additional €3 million for 2023 for legal advice and support to individuals under the Assisted Decision-Making (Capacity) Act 2015, due to be commenced shortly.
- Total defence funding is €1.174 billion in 2023.
More details here, if you can be bothered, instead of banging on about hotel rooms and football matches and whatever else -
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/money_and_tax/budgets/budget_2023.html
Bit of perspective like, wouldn’t go amiss.
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I agree, let us know when you get some..you can submit a wall of numbers.. not exactly engaging in debate. Or assisting your argument.
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Can you explain to us why an individual destroying their travel documents on their way here to claim asylum shouldn't be turfed out of our country as quickly as they arrived?
That's fraud. They know that we won't get them out of here when we don't know where they have come from in the first place. We've no where to send them back to.
That's the calibre being attracted to this country.
4,000 asylum seekers so far this year have done that.
I can not understand why we tolerate the abuse of this country like this.
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Who’s ‘us’? Nobody represents anyone only themselves on here Strumms, in spite of the number of posters who imagine the archetype of “the taxpayer” agrees with their point of view about “taxpayers” giving a tuppeny fcuk about immigrants or housing or homelessness figures or waiting lists and whatever else is used which has always existed in Irish society and was always an issue in Irish society, and was always used to argue against something or other - “but we need to do this first, we need to do that first”, “they’re taking our jobs, money, wimmin…”, ad nauseum.
The “wall of figures” as you put it, was a direct refutation of the idea that “charity never really does begin at home”, and “what’s being done to this country is abhorrent”, when 99% of Government expenditure in just 2023 alone, is being budgeted for domestic spending, as distinct from any Government expenditure being spent on accommodating immigrants or foreign aid.
That’s what I mean by suggesting the poster get some perspective, because they’re choosing to ignore the vast majority of Government income goes towards funding Irish people, nearly all five million of them, because that’s what a Government are supposed to do, as opposed to doing what amounts to only a tiny percentage of the population wish they would do, people with no intention of doing anything themselves only hoping to get people around these parts all riled up with their incendiary propaganda.
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I think you’re smart enough to have figured it out for yourself Kermit that individuals who destroy their travel documents on the way here, ARE put on the next flight back to where they came from -
In 2019, immigration procedures were amended in light of increasing reports of passports being destroyed in transit. Passport checks were moved to the steps of some arrival flights to prevent people disposing of their documents before they reached immigration.
This led to an increase in people being refused leave to land and being put back on flights for return to their destination. This measure was later scaled back.
A Department of Justice spokesman said it does not comment on Border Management Unit operational procedures. He said the reasons for the increasing numbers of asylum seekers were multifaceted and included a resumption of international travel after the pandemic and policy changes in other countries which “may be creating the perception of a less welcoming immigration and international protection environment”.
The war in Ukraine is having an indirect impact, he said, as the resulting refugee crisis has left some EU states with reduced capacity to support asylum seekers from other countries.
The department is examining the factors causing the increase and “will continue to take all necessary steps to manage the international protection process efficiently and effectively, as part of the broader whole-of-government response”.
I’d also make the same point to you as I made to Strumms btw - ‘we’ don’t tolerate anything. There is no ‘we’, as nobody here represents anyone but themselves. There are numerous organisations and agents of the State involved in policing our borders and implementing immigration controls, so this idea that ‘we’ tolerate anything as if you’re speaking on behalf of the Irish people? That’s just being silly.
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Show us the figures showing the 4,000 fraudsters having been deported on arrival.
Show us the figures just for last year actually.
This country is being fleeced. Everyone knows it.
The consequences are going be appalling when you look a generation ahead of where we are now. This society is going to pay a dreadful price for our fecklessness.
It will be Sweden on steroids.
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You’re now asking me for figures for a point you brought up? You asked me to explain something, I did, now you want to keep digging for a point I never made in the first place? Nah, I’m satisfied that I’ve demonstrated your claims are without foundation. If you want to make claims, it’s up to you to provide supporting evidence for your claims, not me.
You also claim everyone knows this country is being fleeced, yet I’ll bet you have no evidence to support that claim either, seems to be based upon nothing more than your own personal beliefs. Exaggeration doesn’t strengthen your argument, you’d have to provide supporting evidence, and by that I mean credible evidence, not something I wouldn’t wipe my arse with hot off the keyboard at Gripe media.
You argue that the consequences are going to be appalling when I look a generation ahead of where we are now, but given our difference of perspectives, and the fact that neither of us have a crystal ball, I’d suggest your opinions in that regard aren’t worth entertaining. We could speculate, but that’s about all either of us would be doing. However, what we CAN do, is look BACK at a time when people expressed similar concerns about the direction of Irish society as you’re expressing now -
In 1904 there were roughly 35 Jewish families, about 150 people, in the Limerick urban area. They lived in Colooney Street (now Wolfe Tone Street), not far from the present-day O’Connell monument, and had established a Jewish burial-ground at Kilmurray, near Castleconnell. The first attack on them came in January, when, following a colourful Jewish wedding, a Judge Adams commented on their commercial success and vibrancy. This led to a sour report in the Limerick Leader, which compared their prosperity to the poverty of the native population. A few days later the matter was taken up by Fr John Creagh CSSR, spiritual director of the Arch Confraternity of the Sacred Heart, which had a membership of around 6,000.
From the pulpit Fr Creagh stated:
‘The Jews were once chosen by God. But they rejected Christ, they crucified Him. They called down the curse of His precious blood on their heads . . . They were scattered over the earth after the Siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD, and they bore away with them an unquenchable hatred for the name of Jesus Christ and his followers . . . The Jews came to Limerick apparently the most miserable tribe imaginable, with want on their faces, and now they have enriched themselves and can boast a very considerable house property in the city. Their rags have been exchanged for silk . . . How do the Jews manage to make their money? Some of you may know their methods better than I do, but it is still my duty to expose these methods. They go about as peddlers from door to door, pretending to offer articles at very cheap prices, but in reality charging several times more than in the shops . . . They forced themselves and their goods upon the people and the people are blind to their tricks . . .’
https://www.historyireland.com/the-limerick-pogrom-1904/
How’d that work out for the people of Ireland at the time? How’s it been working out since? Did Irish society pay a dreadful price for their fecklessness, or did Irish society pay a dreadful price for being beholden to fundamentalist fcuknuggets? Irish people did what suited them, and justified their actions accordingly by portraying various groups in Irish society as public enemy number one, who would cause the downfall of Irish society as people knew it.
The idea of Ireland ever being even close to your idea of Sweden on steroids simply suggests nothing more than you know very little about Sweden, only what you’ve heard or read from sources which support your preconceived ideas about Swedish society. They’re already not all that different from Irish society, only that they have a Monarchy whereas Ireland has had a string of socialist politicians who insist on treating the Presidency as though it’s their opportunity to reform Irish society, including the latest one, who was democratically elected and appointed by the people, to represent the Irish people on the International stage. He could hardly be accused of representing your ideas of Irish society either 😒
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So FG even admit it’s ‘challenging’ but doing SFA about it… marvellous..
our wellbeing, happiness and ability to live challenged and more besides, challenged completely … but.. somehow.. ‘better for the country’…
like a doctor telling a patient… “well, you just had a massive heart attack, but sure, it will be making of ya”.. he’d be struck off and locked up…it’s nutsville and so are FG
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You asserted that fraudsters were turned away at the airport upon arrival.
Kindly provide us the figures so we can compare with the circa 4,000 who arrived so far this year who intentionally destroyed their travel document en-route from the country they transited through.
I'll wait.
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You’ll be waiting a while, because your original question was this -
Can you explain to us why an individual destroying their travel documents on their way here to claim asylum shouldn't be turfed out of our country as quickly as they arrived?
You’re obviously implying that they aren’t; I simply provided evidence which refutes the premise of your question - they are turfed out, put back on the next flight to wherever they came from. I don’t have to provide you with any figures, you have to provide evidence in support of the premise of your original question in which you asked for an explanation as to why they shouldn’t be turfed out of the country.
You’re asking the question, you must have some basis for doing so that isn’t solely based on nothing more than something you made up in your own head!
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Evasion not going to cut it.
You made an assertion. Give us the figures.
Or just admit you are wrong.
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I’ve not evaded anything. I specifically refuted the premise of your question, by providing evidence that the basis for your question is flawed. It’s why I pointed out that you made the original assertion, I pointed out that your assumption was incorrect.
Now you want figures for something I never argued in the first place, and the first person to bring it up, was you! You didn’t mention anything about figures, I didn’t mention anything about figures, so whatever you’re claiming I asserted involving any figures, you’re not going to find that either.
This is just basic stuff - it’s you who made the assertion without any supporting evidence, I provided supporting evidence which refutes your claim. That’s all there is to it.
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Can't remember off hand if it was this thread but someone posted the link to the case of an illegal immigrant who after being found to be in the country illegally he was ASKED to leave. Not once but twice. This came to light I think after he was caught or recognised by someone as being a very dangerous criminal.
Anyone thinks this country is carrying out serious deportation or border control is very mistaken. Powers that be are controlled by soft politically correct yes men, scared of being classed as racist and losing their cushy high earning jobs.
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How can you expect your claim that the people with the authority to control our borders aren’t carrying out deportation orders or border control when, ironically enough, you can’t even remember the details of the one case you’re referring to that you’re using to make your argument?
Nobody is being controlled by politically correct yes men scared of being classed as racist and losing their cushy high earning jobs. The people with the authority to make decisions about deportation orders have no qualms about being classed as racist or losing their high earning jobs -
Haynes said that on 26 July last the General Immigration Division had written to his client telling her the Minister for Justice and Law Reform proposed to make a deportation order against her on the basis she had no current permission to remain in the State and that her deportation would be conducive to the common good.
https://www.thejournal.ie/abuse-immigration-3552957-Aug2017/
A more recent case I guess, was that of Mr. X, who had his application for asylum rejected, and ne’er a sign of highly paid politically correct yes men, plenty of evidence of the opposite in fact 😁
Mr X attempted to appeal this decision and halt deportation, stating that he had not been given the benefit of doubt. The High Court refused Mr X his appeal for asylum due to the overlong period of time it took him to complain about the Department of Justice’s conclusion. However, the Court took issue with the Department describing his bisexuality as implausible.
https://gcn.ie/high-court-denies-man-asylum-gay-home/
‘Twould make you proud to be Irish 😂
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I'm definitely proud to be Irish.
Sorry I can remember the case but not which thread it was. Maybe someone else might be able to clarify, I'm not able to put up links or paste things as I'm not that great at IT issues.
Why your here perhaps you could give your views on people boarding planes in other countries. And we all know how hard it is to board a plane even with papers.Then Being allowed into this country saying that they have no paperwork. What is going on.
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I have no issue with you not remembering which thread it was (there’s a few on the go in fairness), I was pointing out that you couldn’t even remember the details of the one case you’re using to make what amounts to a fairly wild claim! I don’t mind that you don’t remember the details, I don’t either, but I know the case you’re talking about. It made the headlines precisely because it’s not the norm. The reality is underpaid and overworked jobsworths processing mountains of asylum applications who engage in a bit of mischief when the opportunity arises because they’re unlikely to face any serious repercussions for their actions.
AGS and other agencies do a terrific job in dealing with asylum seekers and refugees and the whole assortment of people seeking to enter the country illegally, and while I am here (I’m heading out for lunch in a bit, local Chinese does a buffet lunch worth dying for at the weekend 😁), I’ll say the same to you as I said to Kermit last night when he made the same point you’re making - if they have no paperwork, they’re NOT being allowed in this country. They’re being returned to where they came from on the next flight back. That’s what’s going on. The jobsworths in Immigration are being deprived of the bit of entertainment that makes their jobs worth doing!
Btw I was joking about the being proud to be Irish, I wouldn’t associate anyone with the absolute numbnuts engaging in the sort of nonsense outlined in the examples I gave, as though their actions and attitudes are representative of the Irish people or immigration officials more generally speaking.
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Enjoy your lunch. All I will say is I wish I had as much faith in our deportation system and immigration controls as you do..I myself am very apprehensive that pressure from certain organisations are not making the people who have the power to turn people away do their jobs. Who knows but I think we're soon going to see serious repercussions of our lax border controls. Anyhow bon appetite.
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It stands to reason you don’t have as much faith in our immigration control and deportation system when mainstream media publishes stories every day that would cause people to question the efficacy of our immigration policies and border controls! It’s no different than the way they publish stories every day of all sorts of people engaging in criminal activities and inflicting misery on other people! Regular readers of such misery are bound to be given to thinking Irish society is fcuked, because that’s the impression that mainstream media wants to perpetuate. Same way they go on about all sorts of ‘crisis’ and portray all sorts of issues as [insert issue here] “poverty”.
That’s why I suggested the other poster last night who posted a cobbled together litany of issues to suggest the Irish Government were doing Irish people dirty, should get some perspective, and I provided some by way of demonstrating that the vast majority of Government spending isn’t spent on immigrants, it’s spent on addressing exactly the issues that the poster was trying to make out are ignored by the Irish Government. If they wished to make a point about charity beginning in the home, there are literally hundreds of homeless charities benefiting from Government funding to support Irish people who are homeless or at risk of being made homeless or living in poverty and all the rest of it, people who are regularly the butt of criticism on here, criticism levelled at them by people who at the same time claim they can’t say anything nowadays because of political correctness 😂
I’d to laugh last night, myself and the young lad went bowling and afterwards we went for dinner. While we were waiting for a taxi, we were approached by an Irish lady who, shall we say, appeared a bit the worst for wear 😁 Her sales pitch could’ve done with a bit of work, commenting that my son is the image of me, “I should hope so” I said, making small talk while we waited for the taxi and the young lad was buried in his phone, mortified 😂
I didn’t have the heart to explain to him she wasn’t being complimentary for no good reason, she was a lady of loose morals touting for business. I’d no reason to treat her any differently than I would anyone else in that situation, but let’s not kid ourselves that we don’t know plenty of Irish people who would 😂
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Oldest trade in the world I was always told.😀😀.
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I’ve found these figures referenced for 2019 which is appropriate as 2019 is the year that this poster identifies as the year that further measures were introduced. In 2019, 2,535 individuals were issued a deportation order, while only 298 deportation orders were effected, this is equivalent to 11.76% of individuals issued a deportation order. I’ve heard it argued that successful appeals significantly affect the deportation rate, but in 2019, IPAT upheld 71% of asylum decisions and overturned 29% of asylum decisions. Accounting for overturned decisions, 16.56% of deportation orders were effected, this remains well below 20%. Basically, in sum, expect fewer than 20% of refused asylum claimants to actually be deported from the State. It is worth adding that 2019 is only one year of data but if 2019 was the year that further measures were implemented, one would expect previous years’ deportation rates to be lower.
Edit: Additionally, there appears to be misinformation regarding the implications of refusal of “leave to land”. The idea that those refused entry to the State or “leave to land” are deported immediately is patently untrue. Asylum claimants refused entry to the State are entitled to apply for asylum. If at any time in the process a person refused entry claims asylum or indicates that they require international protection, they will be admitted to the international protection process - importantly, they will be included in relevant refused entry statistics i.e. the statistics this commenter is referencing, however they will enter the international protection process. In the first two weeks of June 2022, 95% of those refused entry to the State subsequently claimed asylum and entered the international protection process. A substantial amount of information in this comment thread appears to be misinformation.
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I’ve found these figures referenced for 2019 which is appropriate as 2019 is the year that this poster identifies as the year that further measures were introduced.
Who’s ‘this poster’ who identified 2019 as the year further measures were introduced? Because the article I quoted from specifically said this -
In 2019, immigration procedures were amended in light of increasing reports of passports being destroyed in transit. Passport checks were moved to the steps of some arrival flights to prevent people disposing of their documents before they reached immigration.
This led to an increase in people being refused leave to land and being put back on flights for return to their destination. This measure was later scaled back.
And as for the rest of your figures, you needn’t have gone to so much trouble, let alone forgetting to show your sources, because it’s all contained in the same article I linked to -
Between January and July, 2,915 people flew into Dublin Airport and did not produce travel documents to border management officials, meaning they were refused leave to land.
Of these, 2,232 or 77 per cent then claimed asylum, according to records released following a Freedom of Information request, meaning they were allowed remain pending assessment of their claim.
What you claim is “the substantial amount of misinformation” is only because you clearly weren’t arsed reading the source I provided which contained the information I was referring to. Y’know what it doesn’t contain? Nor have you addressed what it doesn’t contain even though you quoted the post asking for it? Any evidence of this -
Show us the figures showing the 4,000 fraudsters having been deported on arrival.
Show us the figures just for last year actually.
This country is being fleeced. Everyone knows it.
If, as Kermit claims, ‘everyone knows it’, they shouldn’t have any trouble producing evidence to support their claims of ‘4,000 fraudsters’, as opposed to people being held in detention while their claims for asylum are being investigated. He’s obviously asking for evidence of people where there is evidence that they have committed fraud, as opposed to just applying for asylum, which, the last time I checked, is still not unlawful. Best not to conflate seeking asylum with fraud - one is lawful, the other is not.
Fairly basic distinction between the two concepts that’s easy for most people to grasp, that is unless they’re the type of person who’s easily given to paranoia and playing the victim who believes in all sorts of conspiracy theory nonsense and that everyone is out to get them and destroy their way of life, etc. In reality most people simply aren’t interested in their nonsense, because they don’t see other people as a threat, or a danger to anyone only themselves, the more nuttier ones even more so. Most people don’t know who these nutters are, and they care even less, because they have more important things to be concerned about than asylum seekers, refugees or immigrants, regardless of their legal status.
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As the threadbanned user just said, it's enough to walk around most of the town centres, take a taxi or order food to clearly see that there is a huge increase in non-european immigrants who clearly aren't here because of shortage of local skills.
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We have a leftie lib Minister for Justice who thinks it's a good thing when there are no deportations.
We give an amnesty to people who played the system and Roddy O Gorman was announcing that everyone would have a free house 4 months after arrival.
Now is it any wonder the numbers coming from Asia and Africa so far this year are way up after getting wind of that.
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It should be scaled back dramatically! Many who come here, they laugh at us. And rightly so. A country with no self-respect.
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