What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Ten of Swords

Mod - None of this has anything to do with Ireland.

If the thread is going to once again become a dumping ground for links to news articles about crimes or incidents involving people from immigrant backgrounds in other countries then I'd say it's run it's course.

Stay on topic please

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119761257#Comment_119761257

TOS, couldn't you just delete the irrelevant posts/articles as usual?

Many of us continue to discuss the areas of multiculturalism in Ireland, and by extension, the relationship with European countries. This thread is the only place available for that kind of discussion (unless you'd like to see a dozen similar threads being opened and closed each week on CA).

I agree that posters get side-tracked and go off-topic, but that doesn't mean you should penalise the rest of us who do tend to stick to the thread topic.

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119761237#Comment_119761237

The only reason it was posted was because an immigrant did it. If a white person did it there would be no posts about it here. We've been through this before where lads entire posting history was just spamming crimes committed by immigrants and we've seen even in this country how people have used crimes committed by immigrants to tarnish all immigrants. Everyone is outraged and sickened by such crimes but it takes some types of scum to use those to try to further their own agenda when you know they would turn a blind eye if a white person committed those crimes, because they only ever say anything when immigrants commit crimes. Get it?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119761454#Comment_119761454

The opposite remains true too though, where a variety of posters will flood the thread with feel-good articles, all the while ignoring the negatives involved with migrant cultures, or multiculturalism in general.

They're two sides of the same coin, both pushing agendas that lean more towards the extremes.

Such behaviour shouldn't be happening here. We don't need either kind of behaviour, with the flooding of articles of either persuasion. Sound, honest, reasonable and tolerant discussion is what is needed here. Not the extremes presented by either group.

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119761689#Comment_119761689

Flooding a thread with crimes committed by immigrants in an effort to use those crimes and victims to further an agenda is disgusting and there is a good reason it is frowned upon here.

And the point is missed or ignored completely.. even with the mod warning in mind.

I guess the objective is to shutdown the thread. Can't be having a space where your arguments are shot down so easily.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119761772#Comment_119761772

And so should be sealioning but tough luck it isn't.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119762288#Comment_119762288

Sure even you previously acknowledged in the thread that all the immigrant crime outrage porn going on in the thread is racist.

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119762989#Comment_119762989

Don't worry about the crimes. Its the words we need to watch out for.

The_Kew_Tour

It's says a lot if you are more worried about posts about murderers than the poor young girls who are killed and the pain these poor families have go through.

All one person said was should they least be vetted so crimes like this won't happen?

Surely a fair question?

Anyway Mods have been fair with most posters here and let the discussion run.

Again....if your blood pressure is rising over posts about the vicious crimes rather than the actual vicious crimes themselves than boy that's weird.

Annasopra

Nah. People more interested in blaming crime on immigrants than the actual crime victims are trying to twist it that their real concern is the victims. 😐

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119763668#Comment_119763668

Multiculturalists certainly have no right to pretend to care about the victims as you are now, as you were all warned that there'd be many victims, and you didn't care. You chose to call those people racist instead of dealing with the obvious reality that would come. Even now, with hundreds, even thousands of victims of multiculturalism, you don't care. You're more worried about our rivals gaining power from it, than the suffering that it has caused to many.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119762989#Comment_119762989

Even you? Why thanks a lot for that. 🙄

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119761772#Comment_119761772

What is wrong with discussing crimes which will be the norm in ireland in the future?

We already seen it this year with the three most high profile murders I can think of were committed by immigrants.

It will keep rising year on year based on how things have played out in other countries.

Raising awareness and not putting your head in the sand and hoping we will be the exception to the rule of multiculturalism will do no good.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119763857#Comment_119763857

For me, at least, the problem is the focus. Those posting the articles aren't interested in discussing multiculturalism, they're seeking to discuss those crimes and the immigrants involved. Just as the feel-good articles don't discuss multiculturalism.. the posters involved tend to deflect away from any discussion of substance.

I don't see the need for such articles on this thread. We're all aware that some migrants achieve great things and some perform criminal acts.

Now, if the discussion was being put forward that the culture these migrants come from is important.. and there was some kind of attempt of a debate over that, then, I'd be cool with the contributions. However, there never is. It's just article bombing, which is mildly irritating.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119763929#Comment_119763929

A fair point if people are just link dumping to articles.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119754922#Comment_119754922

In Islamic Countrys, where the call to prayer rings out several times a day and has done for century's its OK. But when it rings out in non-Islamic Countries, its regarded as a sign of Conquest by Muslims. I can just imagine now sitting in a restaurant in an Islamic Country, when they will show on TV the first "Calling the Faithfull to Prayer " in a non-Islamic Country like Cologne what the reaction of the listeners will be. Talk about the Dubs winning an all Ireland final.,, I was in such a situation when Erdogan declared the Hagia Sophia a Mosque again, and the place erupted in celebrations. This should not be happening in the West because Muslims will see it as part of the worldwide conquest by Islam.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755529#Comment_119755529

And for all those who think we are simply replacing one Religion with another, they could not be more wrong. The influence of the Catholic Church in Ireland, powerful as it was, pales into insignificance compared to the influence of Islam on its adherent's. Every single facet of a Muslims life is shaped around edicts written (or maybe not) by a man who lived in the 6th century, and these edicts cannot be changed ever. The Quran defines and dictates exactly how a Muslim must behave in this life, and with severe penalty's for those who break its laws. What's happening in Iran presently is a good example of Islamic Sharia Law in action. (and this law is binding on all, Muslims and non-Muslims alike who live in strict Islamic Countries.)

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119767533#Comment_119767533

Very true, being brutally killed for refusing to wear a head covering.

A truly lovely culture to want to introduce into any country. Going to be some challenge for integration for alot of them.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119768410#Comment_119768410

They only integrate superficially. True Muslims do not stray from Islam. Unless you have lived in hard-line Islamic Country's, its difficult to really understand Islam, and how it works. But its ultimate aim is world dominion...the world must submit to Islam. That might seem like a complete impossibility, and a bit of a joke, but Muslims take it very seriously, it is after all the command of Mohammad. EU Countrys with increasing Islamic populations, are seeing this taking place now, in this day and age, and Cologne is a symptomatic of it. In Switzerland, they have banned the construction of any more Minarets, as they were changing the character of the cities.

One eyed Jack

Small mercies lads, there’s an app for that 😁

https://dublininquirer.com/2018/08/22/with-no-call-to-prayer-ringing-out-across-the-city-muslim-dubliners-use-other-reminders

Gotta be honest, I had an oul’ listen… I’d sooner a vuvuzela going off outside my bedroom window than that awful noise 😂

Cordell

Some have transmitters that pick up the adhan that sounds inside the mosque buildings, says Kenna, of the the Clonskeagh mosque, which is officially known as the Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland.

Aren't they afraid that these might interfere with, you know, the other electronic stuff they may be working with?

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119768672#Comment_119768672

You should try living in the ME Guys shouting from minarets over load speaker.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119767533#Comment_119767533

I think people should consider that Islam is more in line with sects such as Opus Dei, with their ultra conservative, and quite hardline views. There's little point comparing Islam to mainstream Christianity.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119768805#Comment_119768805

Or next door to one......05:00 Hrs ( or dawn) wake up call. And all day long on religious holidays. EID etc.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119768888#Comment_119768888

Been there was young at the time but will wake you up.

The_Kew_Tour

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119763668#Comment_119763668

In your opinion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770313#Comment_119770313

Ahh well, few people really want to consider the cultural importance of those who commit crimes. When Travellers commit crimes, while most people will shrug knowing that the association between Travellers and crime exists, others will scream bloody murder that such associations are made (regardless of the statistics, evidence, etc).

I always find this situation to be interesting. The way culture is dismissed as unimportant when it suits the narrative or agenda being pushed. We're all aware of the impact of social conditioning on the development of children/teens/adults. Whether that's the formal education they receive, the influence of parents/grandparents, the media from that culture, etc.. It's well known that all such conditioning has enormous influence over how people develop as individuals. Conformity exists, as does social pressure. It exists far more in some cultures than in others, but it exists in every culture to one degree or another. So, why does the conditioning that a person received cease to be important the moment they become a migrant and move to another country? (or when included under a disadvantaged group or minority category) Especially, since we've somehow decided that migrants aren't coming here to be assimilated (taking on western culture), but rather will retain their own native culture, which is lauded as a great thing. How do we know that only the positives of that culture are retained, and none of the negatives?

Whenever we see crimes by men towards women in society, we hear about toxic masculinity. That there is a male culture of rape, and violence. As such, to reduce said violence, we as a society, must change male culture. This is an "accepted" notion, much broadcasted on the media, has made it's way into formal education, etc.. to the point where Third level institutions will give consent classes. So.. male culture is responsible for how some men behave, and by extension, all men are responsible for how other men behave. Well, not "all" men, but most men. Or just the male gender is responsible. Or something like that.. it tends to shift when it meets opposition for how it's supposed to be applied.

But.. migrants (or any minority group).. that's different. If a migrant comes from a strict/traditional society, where social conformity is extremely common, and the methods of social conditioning are heavily reinforced (China, M.East, parts of Africa, etc), such a history is irrelevant. The moment they arrive in the West, they are individuals cut off from all their past experiences, and should be treated as such. All the while, being given the group label of being a migrant, and treated as a collective group of innocence.. for, well, everything.

The simple truth is that some posters will never accept or tolerate the examination of culture, or past social conditioning in considering whether migrants are suitable for entry into Ireland or western nations, because they're firmly positioned themselves within the "woke" category of thought. This means that their chosen groups will be elevated beyond any or all criticism, and no amount of logical argument will gainsay their beliefs (or the consequences). When male migrants commit violent crimes against women, it's not the foreign culture at fault, it remains male culture. Handy that.

We really should be considering the background of migrants on entry. Not just their educational background, finances or whatever, but what conditioning have they received, and how much of that conditioning remains present in their values, beliefs, etc. That's not to say that examining culture or a persons native culture should be treated as an absolute statement of self. We're all aware of how different we can be from the intentions of the social programmers, but at the same time, the conditioning we receive, does leave markers which influence beliefs.

Might be nice to have a bit of a discussion over this. No, we don't need a heap of articles referencing migrant crimes. The thread has gone a bit stale without some discussion of substance.

malinheader

Working in Letterkenny today and I knew it has seen a massive influx of migrants but I'm shocked to see just how much it has changed.

How can such a small town stand so much migration. No wonder our housing and health services are not working.

When does migration and multiculturalism become overpopulated.

lmao10

I wonder how many of these "I was in a neighbourhood and saw some immigrants" posts are in this thread.