What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP
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Mass immigration isn’t being forced on the West any more than it’s being forced on for example the United Arab Emirates. I may be accused of cherry picking, but I just picked the UAE off the top of my head -
According to an estimate by the World Bank, the UAE's population in 2020 was 9,890,400. Immigrants accounted for 88.52% while Emiratis made up the remaining 11.48%. This unique imbalance is due to the country's exceptionally high net migration rate of 21.71, the world's highest. UAE citizenship is very difficult to obtain other than by filiation and only granted under very special circumstances.
The UAE is ethnically diverse. The five most populous nationalities in the emirates of Dubai, Sharjah, and Ajman are Indian (25%), Pakistani (12%), Emirati (9%), Bangladeshi (7%), and Filipino (5%). Immigrants from Europe, Australia, Northern America and Latin America make up 500,000 of the population. More than 100,000 British nationals live in the country. The rest of the population are from other Arab states.
About 88% of the population of the United Arab Emirates is urban. The average life expectancy was 76.7 in 2012, higher than for any other Arab country. With a male/female sex ratio of 2.2 males for each female in the total population and 2.75 to 1 for the 15–65 age group, the UAE's gender imbalance is second highest in the world after Qatar.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates
Look at us, down there at the bottom 😁
Both India and China do have massive numbers of immigrants too, but they have massive populations; the United States, has the highest population of immigrants in the world -
Although the United States is outside the top 20, it still has by far the most immigrants of any other country (50 million vs. 16 million in second-place Germany).
And because of it’s massive population, the population of immigrants doesn’t come close to being even remotely noticeable in a country like China -
China comes in second last. In absolute terms, the million or so immigrants living in China may sound like a lot, but pales in comparison to the overall population of 1.4 billion.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/countries-with-the-highest-proportion-of-immigrants/
Immigration and multiculturalism aren’t the same thing, that’s why people can legitimately argue in favour of immigration, but multiculturalism isn’t something that can either be argued in favour of, unless the point is that a pluralist society is necessary to break the stranglehold of the dominant culture, be it political, religious or what have you. Obviously, that’s bad news if you’re of the dominant culture and you want it to remain that way, then immigrants aren’t just coming for the generous welfare benefits, they’re coming for your jobs, your women, and now they’re coming for your houses too! Of course if you’re an employer, a criminal or a politician (they wear many hats), then immigrants value is in the fact that they are a cheap source of human capital, exploitative labour… and the human body can carry more drugs internally than will fit in your average suitcase (I’ve been watching Nip/Tuck again!).
From an immigrants, or an emigrants perspective, the reason they come here is the same reason emigrants leave, and in 2022 there just happened to be more immigrants coming here than emigrants leaving here -
In the 12 months to the end of April 2022:
- The population increased by 88,800 persons, the largest 12-month increase since 2008.
- There were 120,700 immigrants, a 15-year high.
- Of those immigrants; 28,900 were returning Irish nationals, 24,300 were other EU nationals, and 4,500 were UK nationals.
- The remaining 63,000 immigrants were other nationals including almost 28,000 Ukrainians in the 12-month period.
- More people emigrated than in recent years with 59,600 persons departing the State compared with 54,000 in 2021.
- There was a natural increase of 27,700 people in the State comprised of 60,700 births less 33,000 deaths.
(bold emphasis my own)
The easiest explanation as to why either immigrants come here, or nearly 60,000 people emigrate from here in just one calendar year alone, is really easy to understand - people want to make a better life for themselves, and they seek out opportunities elsewhere other than where they’re currently residing.
The problem of course for people opposed to immigration is that if they actually succeeded in cutting off their nose to spite their face, it would mean that the economy would go to the wall, no need to turn off the lights, the electricity’s already been cut off because they couldn’t get the staff. And because immigrants don’t come made-to-order, essentially Ireland hasn’t much choice but to take the good with the bad and make the best of it, which we do, for the most part. They’re not Roma, they’re Romanian, but a good example of immigrants integrating into Irish society I read recently -
https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2022/1214/1341701-romanian-church/
One of the factors in immigrants choosing what country they wish to leave for is the fact that there is an existing community of immigrants from their home countries in that country already, and Ireland has many communities of immigrants from countries around the world, which together only represent about 18% of the total population.
You’d be stretching the definition to refer to Ireland as a multicultural society if you were only speaking of the presence of an immigrant population as representative of a multicultural society when culture is normally understood to refer to language, customs, traditions, values or beliefs, as opposed to just being focused on anyone’s immigration or citizenship status.
None of which are threatened by immigrants who are more often excluded from participating in Irish culture than they are invited to participate in it. If you haven’t noticed, promoting and sharing your culture with other people is the best and easiest way to keep your culture alive and thriving, rather than trying to keep it to yourself where it dies off and then you get all nostalgic for what appears lost.
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You better tell Roderic O'Gorman that, because last year he tweeted in Arabic, albanian, Somali, Georgian, French and Urdu about the new systems explaining about claiming asylum in Ireland including help "to integrate into Ireland from day one, with health, housing, education, and employment supports at the core of the system". Well that's not going to increase the risk of attracting scammers... Now what wars are happening in Albania, India, Pakistan, Georgia again?
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