What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

TheCitizen

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Good to have you back. I knew you wouldn't run away

Don’t worry I’m busy, you’ll have your echo chamber back to yourselves. Tell your man klaz to try to stop talking about me when I’m gone LOL.

dominatinMC

TheCitizen wrote: »

Don’t worry I’m busy, you’ll have your echo chamber back to yourselves. Tell your man klaz to try to stop talking about me when I’m gone LOL.

The use of that expression renders anything else you have to say completely meaningless - not that there's much substance to it anyway. Maybe you'd be more comfortable on tik tok with the rest of the teenagers and leave the adults to their discussion on here.

Wibbs

dominatinMC wrote: »

The use of that expression renders anything else you have to say completely meaningless

Many moons ago a mate of mine who hates the LOL thing ran a forum and he set up some sort of script that every time a poster typed "LOL" it replaced it with "I'm a moron"(with an expletive missing). One American poster who wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed upon seeing this posted "when I type I'm a moron, why does it display I'm a moron. I'm a moron". He won the dumb that day and I suspect for many others.

But yeah, when LOL is used in a debate the poster almost certainly isn't and it's almost certainly passive aggressive, again in lieu of any cogent rebuttal on the part of the poster.

So let's recap the general con position: Diversity is its own reward. The Irish were immigrants once. We get new foods and jobs filled the Irish won't do. Charity you monster. Racists! Alt Right! Echo chamber! LOL.

Oul Cicero is not spinning in his grave from the competition anyway.

TheCitizen

TheCitizen wrote: »

What’s all this about Wibbs? Does he live inside your head as well LOL

That really makes no sense at all. Come on, logic. Try it.

TheCitizen wrote: »

See this is what Im talking about; “progressive” is now a bad word or a term of abuse around here. Absolutely ridiculous, place overrun with all sorts of regressive narrow minded backwoodsmen.

Except, of course, that many of the posters here are actually suggesting ways to reduce the problems with immigration. So, your statement of "place overrun with all sorts of regressive narrow minded backwoodsmen" is up there with your declarations that the thread is populated by racists.

The funny thing is that you're the most intolerant/narrow minded poster I've seen on the thread so far. And in spite of being called on your claims, you've yet to back up any of your claims with evidence... So... yeah.. you're still full of crap.

biko

Hamachi wrote: »

Absolutely appalling that O’Gorman is even considering taking in migrants from Moria. He has zero mandate to take decisions of this nature. If this comes to pass, the credibility of the Greens plummets to a new low.

Perhaps we're going off topic, but it was the migrants themselves that started the fires.

Four Afghans were charged with arson on Wednesday for the alleged involvement in fires that destroyed most of a large migrant camp on the Greek island of Lesbos, authorities said.

Two other migrants allegedly involved in setting the fires are underage, and are being held by police on the Greek mainland. They have not been formally charged.

Police on the Greek island of Lesbos are moving thousands of migrants and refugees from the fire-gutted Moria camp to a new tent city nearby.
Seventy female officers in protective suits were flown in to organise the transfer of women and children to the temporary Kara Tepe camp.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/16/world/europe/afghan-migrants-charged-arson-lesbos.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54189073

Slowyourrole

Irish youngsters engaging in local culture. I understand they've passed some of this culture onto people from immigrant backgrounds. Such a shame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIwkBDZUfdI

TomTomTim

Slowyourrole wrote: »

Irish youngsters engaging in local culture. I understand they've passed some of this culture onto people from immigrant backgrounds. Such a shame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIwkBDZUfdI

We've always said that there is Irish scumbags, no one has ever claimed otherwise. You're trying to make a point that no one disagrees with. I'd love a glance into the mind of someone like yourself, as it's almost like your brain only processes the information that suits you, while it ignores all the information that doesn't.

ExMachina1000

Slowyourrole wrote: »

Irish youngsters engaging in local culture. I understand they've passed some of this culture onto people from immigrant backgrounds. Such a shame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIwkBDZUfdI

What a shīthole.

Next time you see the deductions on your pay slip remember where the money is going.

These are all our own dragged up parasites

4068ac1elhodqr

TomTomTim wrote: »

We've always said that there is Irish scumbags, no one has ever claimed otherwise.

Agree, to get a more accurate picture, simply look at the statistics from true, or more multi-cultural European countries.

e.g. Percentage of folks from ethic or ideological backgrounds, then get a fright (400% over-representation in the jailhouses) compared to natives.

DangerScouse

Slowyourrole wrote: »

Irish youngsters engaging in local culture. I understand they've passed some of this culture onto people from immigrant backgrounds. Such a shame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIwkBDZUfdI

Absolute scummers

No reason to take in more though is it.

Slowyourrole

Slowyourrole wrote: »

Irish youngsters engaging in local culture. I understand they've passed some of this culture onto people from immigrant backgrounds. Such a shame.

Yup.. I get the idea. However, imagine if all the money that has been spent on bringing in, supporting, educating, etc migrants had instead been spent on low income communities, providing specialised education and support schemes, along with more employment initiatives to give these people better opportunities in life. Hell, even initiatives to teach parents how to raise their children in a better way.

Now, wouldn't that be an interesting idea? fix the problems within our own society before bringing in others, who will almost definitely join the lowest economic groups.

biko

Slowyourrole wrote: »

I understand they've passed some of this culture onto people from immigrant backgrounds.

How do you understand this? Did they tell you?

Eric Cartman

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

What a shīthole.

Next time you see the deductions on your pay slip remember where the money is going.

These are all our own dragged up parasites

and can you imagine that there are people who want to import more of them...

Kivaro

Eric Cartman wrote: »

and can you imagine that there are people who want to import more of them...

There is actually a petition on Change.org to bring migrants in from Lesbos to Ireland. A reward for arson? What is unsurprising is that the vast majority of those Irish people signing the petition will not contribute any money themselves to pay for the lifetime of welfare, housing, and social services that these migrants will receive when they get here. It just takes one click to sign that petition, but the cost to the workers in this country will be for a lifetime.

Gervais08

How can there be genuine “multiculturalism” when the nutjobs on the left scream “cultural appropriation” every time someone tries on an outfit from a different nation ??

Wouldn’t it be great if we could all experience the best bits of each other’s cultures ??? I’ve a colleague from Ghana who drinks Guinness like it’s going out of style and laughs at my ignorance of GAA as he knows practically everything about it!!!

Isn’t that a good thing ?? Yet if I was to immerse myself in Ghanaian dress or hair etc I’d be on a cancel list.

I don’t get it!!

Gervais08

Gervais08 wrote: »

How can there be genuine “multiculturalism” when the nutjobs on the left scream “cultural appropriation” every time someone tries on an outfit from a different nation ??

Wouldn’t it be great if we could all experience the best bits of each other’s cultures ??? I’ve a colleague from Ghana who drinks Guinness like it’s going out of style and laughs at my ignorance of GAA as he knows practically everything about it!!!

Isn’t that a good thing ?? Yet if I was to immerse myself in Ghanaian dress or hair etc I’d be on a cancel list.

I don’t get it!!

Nah. You wouldn't. Cultural appropriation is only something that goes on in the US (even there it's a relatively rare accusation), or on social media. Just stay off twitter or facebook, and you can immerse yourself in Ghanaian culture as much as you want. There will always be individual activists with extreme views... it's how they get their likes.

There's nothing stopping you from embracing other cultures in Ireland.

Gervais08

Good to know - I was showed this guys mother at a family do there, glam was not the word - id love to dress like that for Mass, you’d feel like a film star!!!

Gervais08

Gervais08 wrote: »

Good to know - I was showed this guys mother at a family do there, glam was not the word - id love to dress like that for Mass, you’d feel like a film star!!!

Ahh.. that's different though. You're taking foreign behavior and pushing it into a usually traditional setting, like mass. That's asking for attention... Foreigners can get away with it because allowances are made, because... they're foreign.

Doing so at my Church, as an Irish person, you'd receive condemnation from the more traditional and outspoken attendees (although most would be too polite to say anything directly.. apart from the hostile stares). We have many Africans at our church services who dress flamboyantly, but it wouldn't be very acceptable for White people to do the same. Different expectations.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.euronews.com/2020/09/21/new-eu-migration-pact-requires-member-states-to-take-more-migrants-from-frontline-nations

Looks like we'll be taking loads more lol, I honestly couldn't care less who lives here or what colour or creed my neighbour is. Life is too short to care.

Wibbs

The EU will get strong resistance from countries like Poland and I hope they do. I've always been pro EU, but the same EU can eff off on this bollocks. Then again our political class ever with an eye to a cushy retirement in Brussels will as usual bend over and present their bare arses to their EU bosses. They most certainly wouldn't risk putting something so culturally changing as this to the Irish voters, because, well they know what the answer is likely to be. But that doesn't matter. Democracy my arse. Spineless pricks the lot of them.

Thelonious Monk

Wibbs wrote: »

The EU will get strong resistance from countries like Poland and I hope they do. I've always been pro EU, but the same EU can eff off on this bollocks. Then again our political class ever with an eye to a cushy retirement in Brussels will as usual bend over and present their bare arses to their EU bosses. They most certainly wouldn't risk putting something so culturally changing as this to the Irish voters, because, well they know what the answer is likely to be. But that doesn't matter. Democracy my arse. Spineless pricks the lot of them.

It's not really fair for Italy and Greece and the Med countries to have to take them all either. Will be interesting to see if this trickles down to us.

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

The EU will get strong resistance from countries like Poland and I hope they do. I've always been pro EU, but the same EU can eff off on this bollocks. Then again our political class ever with an eye to a cushy retirement in Brussels will as usual bend over and present their bare arses to their EU bosses. They most certainly wouldn't risk putting something so culturally changing as this to the Irish voters, because, well they know what the answer is likely to be. But that doesn't matter. Democracy my arse. Spineless pricks the lot of them.

The problem is that this will only increase the desire to leave the EU, therefore leaving us all weaker than before to stand up to the giants of the world (Russia, the US, China, and whatever else comes along). The southern nations of Europe have always been economically less successful, and more affected by market conditions. And while the Northern nations "tend" to be more resilient and capable of maintaining their economies, they've become rather shaky over the last two decades.

Pushing migrants on to countries is just going to encourage social unrest as people blame the migrants for any economic and social problems. In some cases, they are indirectly responsible, but at the same time, this will give ammunition to the anti-immigration crowd (which is fine, kinda), but also the more extreme elements (which isn't fine).

I really don't like the path the EU has decided to take.. It's short sighted, and self-destructive. Now is the time for Europeans to be looking after other Europeans, building stronger bonds, and developing a better more stable economic system for all members... not importing trouble. And these migrants are trouble.

Does anyone really think, that after their experiences so far with being blocked from getting into Europe, that these migrants will be grateful, and want to integrate with our societies?

Strumms

Immigration is giving people a chance, a second chance.

It’s accepting people into our country, into our community.

It’s helping them with accommodation / shelter , money, health services, advice.

If an asylum seeker is willing while here to abide by the law, respect their fellow asylum seekers, the Irish people, our laws, fantastic.

If they can’t, without question they need to be fast track deported.

ONE strike and its goodbye. If that’s robbing a packet of Jaffa cakes, or an assault.... next available flight home.

The law is needing to be unambiguous, clear, with no recourse for tying the system up in a flood of appeals.

We are and have been a soft touch. Let that end now.

imme

Strumms wrote: »

Immigration is giving people a chance, a second chance.

It’s accepting people into our country, into our community.

It’s helping them with accommodation / shelter , money, health services, advice.

If an asylum seeker is willing while here to abide by the law, respect their fellow asylum seekers, the Irish people, our laws, fantastic.

If they can’t, without question they need to be fast track deported.

ONE strike and its goodbye. If that’s robbing a packet of Jaffa cakes, or an assault.... next available flight home.

The law is needing to be unambiguous, clear, with no recourse for tying the system up in a flood of appeals.

We are and have been a soft touch. Let that end now.

It doesn't work like that in the Irish experience.

We end with people coming to the Ireland of Ireland, island of Ireland, claiming they've been persecuted at home, their lives are in danger.

How did you get to Ireland, you couldn't have flown here directly.

Starting off on a lie isn't a good way to start a relationship or a new life, is it.

You can't deport people once you've granted them protection, it is simply too late.

Mules

Gervais08 wrote: »

How can there be genuine “multiculturalism” when the nutjobs on the left scream “cultural appropriation” every time someone tries on an outfit from a different nation ??

Wouldn’t it be great if we could all experience the best bits of each other’s cultures ??? I’ve a colleague from Ghana who drinks Guinness like it’s going out of style and laughs at my ignorance of GAA as he knows practically everything about it!!!

Isn’t that a good thing ?? Yet if I was to immerse myself in Ghanaian dress or hair etc I’d be on a cancel list.

I don’t get it!!

You're talking common sense, that's not allowed

ExMachina1000

Strumms wrote: »

Immigration is giving people a chance, a second chance.

It’s accepting people into our country, into our community.

It’s helping them with accommodation / shelter , money, health services, advice.

If an asylum seeker is willing while here to abide by the law, respect their fellow asylum seekers, the Irish people, our laws, fantastic.

If they can’t, without question they need to be fast track deported.

ONE strike and its goodbye. If that’s robbing a packet of Jaffa cakes, or an assault.... next available flight home.

The law is needing to be unambiguous, clear, with no recourse for tying the system up in a flood of appeals.

We are and have been a soft touch. Let that end now.

Sounds fair.

Where will we put them when they arrive?
How many will be taken in before we say no more? Will we ever say no more?

Wibbs

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's not really fair for Italy and Greece and the Med countries to have to take them all either.

It's not and I'd solve that by stopping them getting into anywhere in the EU in the first place. Vigorously. I'd certainly be stopping the taxi service operated by various EU navies including our own. I'd look to paying the Greeks for example who have a tonne of them already to set up admin camps and any that aren't fleeing actual persecution ship them back from whence they came. Those that are already in country and not actual asylum seekers I'd also ship them back. That will cost less in both economic and cultural terms than going on as the EU has been.

Will be interesting to see if this trickles down to us.

Oh I'd bet our political class will be among the first in line to run to their EU masters to show how complaint they are, so I'd not be surprised to see a fair oul trickle.

Strumms

imme wrote: »

It doesn't work like that in the Irish experience.

We end with people coming to the Ireland of Ireland, island of Ireland, claiming they've been persecuted at home, their lives are in danger.

How did you get to Ireland, you couldn't have flown here directly.

Starting off on a lie isn't a good way to start a relationship or a new life, is it.

You can't deport people once you've granted them protection, it is simply too late.

They can claim they were to be drowned in acid, but that STILL means when we lend a hand, they play by the rules. ALL the rules.

Strumms

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Sounds fair.

Where will we put them when they arrive?
How many will be taken in before we say no more? Will we ever say no more?

I don’t know re : numbers, will we ever say no more ? CAN we as an EU member state ? Say ‘enough for now’ ?

imme

imme wrote: »

You can't deport people once you've granted them protection, it is simply too late.

Except you should be. If I encounter someone on the street who is in trouble, help them out, then I shouldn't be held responsible for their lives forever afterward.

Asylum should be finite. Temporary. In some cases, people are fleeing direct and traceable threats to their lives. For example, Political activists who are marked for death by a foreign government. But when that government falls (as they do) or the situation in their home country changes, then they should be encouraged to leave the country that protected them. Where they go is up to them, but it would be dependent on normal migration policies (education/skills, etc).

This is even more important with refugees. The world is unstable, and in many cases, at war. People will leave to find safety elsewhere. Understandable. But no country should be under an obligation to provide shelter to them forever, and to provide citizenship as an extra benefit. Refugees should be provided with the help needed to become independent (education, and basic financial support), and then, given the chance to migrate, again, based on normal migration policies.

This need to give eternal shelter to those in need is utterly retarded. We have migration policies for normal people who want to work and live here. Why are so many migrants being given rights or benefits beyond the normal migration practices? It doesn't make logical sense.

The UN has a lot to answer for this. TBH I'm not quite sure why we're all so bound to obey their laws, when they've proven time and time again to be hopeless at doing what they're supposed to do with regards to non-western nations.

In the end though, we need to start regulating asylum or refugees in a different way. It should have an expiry date. Those individuals who are given that status should have their situations reviewed every 6 months, to determine whether we really need to be providing help... or whether they're taking advantage of a rather inefficient/impractical system.