Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

mandrake04

saabsaab wrote: »

Just think of what it would be with Covid to deal with as well!

That's why they took the precaution against Covid, NZ ICU capacity is even worse than Ireland's.

Away With The Fairies

Can anyone explain why America isn't on the list of countries for the MHQ?

If the idea is to stop new variants coming in, didn't America choose not to control the spread of the virus? There could be new variants but they wouldn't know.

IngazZagni

mandrake04 wrote: »

That's why they took the precaution against Covid, NZ ICU capacity is even worse than Ireland's.

Ireland has the youngest population in the EU and is quite similar to that of New Zealand’s. That is a big factor in determining ICU capacity. ICU capacity is not just a bed, it is also a group of staff that are on active standby in the hospital ready to deal with a patient. Having loads of excess ICU beds just in case would be completely inefficient. Being able to ramp up ICU capacity at short notice is what’s key and we did a bit of that over the past year when needed.

ginoginelli

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Can anyone explain why America isn't on the list of countries for the MHQ?

If the idea is to stop new variants coming in, didn't America choose not to control the spread of the virus? There could be new variants but they wouldn't know.

Because our shambles of an administration deem big buisnesses more important than their citizens lives.

Father Hernandez

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Can anyone explain why America isn't on the list of countries for the MHQ?

If the idea is to stop new variants coming in, didn't America choose not to control the spread of the virus? There could be new variants but they wouldn't know.

Politics. Ireland wouldn’t dare putting USA on the list for fear of upsetting Biden.

It’s why Suriname is on the list despite having 5 cases a day.

mandrake04

IngazZagni wrote: »

Ireland has the youngest population in the EU and is quite similar to that of New Zealand’s. That is a big factor in determining ICU capacity. ICU capacity is not just a bed, it is also a group of staff that are on active standby in the hospital ready to deal with a patient. Having loads of excess ICU beds just in case would be completely inefficient. Being able to ramp up ICU capacity at short notice is what’s key and we did a bit of that over the past year when needed.

Yeah I work in healthcare so I kinda...eh...already know that. :rolleyes:

CIARAN_BOYLE

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Can anyone explain why America isn't on the list of countries for the MHQ?

If the idea is to stop new variants coming in, didn't America choose not to control the spread of the virus? There could be new variants but they wouldn't know.

I think all the countries on the list are countries with a defined rate of a variant of concern.

I would suggest standing up mhq for all travellers for all travellers with coronavirus rates oin the population of a certain rate.

faceman

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Can anyone explain why America isn't on the list of countries for the MHQ?

If the idea is to stop new variants coming in, didn't America choose not to control the spread of the virus? There could be new variants but they wouldn't know.

Case rates in the US are on a par with Ireland when you look at per size of population. However cases are continuing to trend downward while Ireland is the opposite. Also their vaccination programme is Concorde compared to our paper plane.

Some states in the US have far less cases per year of population than Ireland with California seeing half our rate.

saabsaab

normanoffside wrote: »

You mean instead.

No.

Red Silurian

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Can anyone explain why America isn't on the list of countries for the MHQ?

If the idea is to stop new variants coming in, didn't America choose not to control the spread of the virus? There could be new variants but they wouldn't know.

Because of their vaccination programme I'd think... Now if it was this time last year it would be a great idea!

Red Silurian

mandrake04 wrote: »

That's why they took the precaution against Covid, NZ ICU capacity is even worse than Ireland's.

It's not just about ICU beds though, NZ had a stockpile of PPE ready to go to hospitals if needed for example

Away With The Fairies

Just read online of an Irish guy who was in Mexico, Mexico is not on the list and spent a few days in hotel quarantine, received a negative test and was able to leave because of Mexico not on the list.

Am I correct in thinking he still has to do the home isolation? But now that he's left quarantine and with a negative test, he'll probably think he's fine to be out mixing with others.

Irish Aris

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Just read online of an Irish guy who was in Mexico, Mexico is not on the list and spent a few days in hotel quarantine, received a negative test and was able to leave because of Mexico not on the list.

Am I correct in thinking he still has to do the home isolation? But now that he's left quarantine and with a negative test, he'll probably think he's fine to be out mixing with others.

Not sure if it is the case still (so correct me if I'm wrong) but back in January when I came back from Greece I had a test 5 days after my return and since it was negative I was allowed to reduce the self isolation time. I restricted my movements for 12 days anyway (I live on my own and work from home so it was easy) I believe though that I didn't strictly had to.

IQO

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Just read online of an Irish guy who was in Mexico, Mexico is not on the list and spent a few days in hotel quarantine, received a negative test and was able to leave because of Mexico not on the list.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40253549.html

Same vibes as that family of 5 returning from Australia and being in the hotel quarantine. Unpreparedness. As this guy was already in a medical facility in Mexico (for doing a root canal, sure), he could have just gotten a negative covid test there and get into Ireland without any issues. He should just be open about returning from his holiday there.. Mexico is not on the hotel quarantine list anyway. Interesting that an airline let him board to Ireland without the negative test, or maybe his flight was delayed and the 72 hours passed during his journey.

Am I correct in thinking he still has to do the home isolation? But now that he's left quarantine and with a negative test, he'll probably think he's fine to be out mixing with others.

Yes, he should still do the 14 days of home quarantine.

I returned also myself from Mexico last week (I'm not the guy in the article, I had a negative test), no issues passing the border control here - although I was warned that Gardai may check on my home quarantine and possibly arrest me if I would be breaking the rules. I knew these rules beforehand so now staying home and working from home, fine with that - but very happy I was able to peek into a different world for a short while, it felt like being back in 2019 for two weeks.

faceman

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Just read online of an Irish guy who was in Mexico, Mexico is not on the list and spent a few days in hotel quarantine, received a negative test and was able to leave because of Mexico not on the list.

Am I correct in thinking he still has to do the home isolation? But now that he's left quarantine and with a negative test, he'll probably think he's fine to be out mixing with others.

Unless it’s a category 2 country, the traveller is free from self isolation/quarantine if he/she tests negative after 5 days

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b4020-travelling-to-ireland-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/#post-arrival-quarantine-requirements-for-all-passengers-arriving-in-ireland

JP Liz V1

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1376844806022905857

Irish Aris

Interesting.
I would like to see the reaction if this actually happens - adding US where the vaccination program is really going well and adding EU countries when EU prepares for a common approach of vaccine certificate/passport (or whatever is called) - and leaving UK out of it - I assume because of the CTA and the border with the north.

Atlantic Dawn

When we hit near full vaccination or thereabouts will we need to limit travel from those countried outside the EU who are not vaccinated unless they have private health insurance?

BlondeBomb

What is happening to the people who don’t pre book the hotels when they arrive or to people who wouldn’t have the means to pay?

josip

BlondeBomb wrote: »

What is happening to the people who don’t pre book the hotels when they arrive or to people who wouldn’t have the means to pay?

You'll pay for it. I'll pay for it. And many others will pay for it.

faceman

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1376844806022905857

The article title is incorrect. NPHET made a recommendation. The list has to be signed off by government, including the minister for foreign affairs.

Route1

Have a friend coming in from states next week, has had Covid and has test planned pre flight. Are they going to be forced to quarantine now?

faceman

Route1 wrote: »

Have a friend coming in from states next week, has had Covid and has test planned pre flight. Are they going to be forced to quarantine now?

No decision has been made yet

Macca421

Hey Guys, I am in Brazil atm, We are booked to come home next month on the 24th, My wife is Brazillian and we have been out here taking care of some family business. We fly through Portugal, how will this work, could we let through as the flight is from Lisbon? I am also classed as an essential worker as i work in healthcare, does this mean that I can avoid quarantine and my wife cant? I have also had covid in December so by right i should be immune now, and for the next couple of months? Just wondering if anyone knows if these circumstances somehow stop us from needing the hotel craic. On that note too, we have our own home and we would be fully intending to do our civic duty of self-isolation when returning. Just don't really fancy shelling out 2.5k to stay in a travel lodge! Any info would be welcome.

munchkin_utd

faceman wrote: »

The article title is incorrect. NPHET made a recommendation. The list has to be signed off by government, including the minister for foreign affairs.

its a faulty recommendation too

The basis of being put on the list is that countries have infection rates of 500+ or variants of concern. For example like Austria where there was a large outbreak of the south africa variant in Tyrol (returning golfers aparantly!).

Aside from Moselle in France, theres nowhere in Europe with variants of concern.

What are NPHET up to ? If they want zero covid then they should just say it and have all incoming arrivals lobbed into a hotel - but basing a hotel qurantine for a swathe of countries based on psuedo science is just sneaky and doesnt lead to any increased confidence in their decisions.

kajzer

If I travel from a high risk country, but was vaccinated, will i still have to stay in the hotel?

M_Murphy57

kajzer wrote: »

If I travel from a high risk country, but was vaccinated, will i still have to stay in the hotel?

Yes, that's what's so ****ing stupid.

They are introducing PCR tests on arrival now too which if you fail see you sent to covid jail on your own dime.

We need an election now, this crowd have lost their minds and need to go.

Red Silurian

What happens if somebody tests positive 3 days before taking a flight to Ireland, are you refused at the boarding gate?

normanoffside

Red Silurian wrote: »

What happens if somebody tests positive 3 days before taking a flight to Ireland, are you refused at the boarding gate?

You shouldn’t even be at the boarding gate.
But yes of course.

ginoginelli

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Yes, that's what's so ****ing stupid.

They are introducing PCR tests on arrival now too which if you fail see you sent to covid jail on your own dime.

We need an election now, this crowd have lost their minds and need to go.

Those ****ers trying to prevent covid from coming into the country. How dare they!