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Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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    #3482
    faceman
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    ginoginelli wrote: »
    Those ****ers trying to prevent covid from coming into the country. How dare they!

    Covid is already in the country.

    (But no one told these people)

    https://www.broadsheet.ie/2021/03/30/portomello


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    #3483
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Does anyone know why there's 10 arrival ports on the booking website and I just read that there's 4 hotels provided for this quarantining and they're all in Dublin. So if you arrive in Shannon or Cork, are they going to bus you to Dublin?


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    #3484
    aido79
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    M_Murphy57 wrote: »
    Yes, that's what's so ****ing stupid.

    They are introducing PCR tests on arrival now too which if you fail see you sent to covid jail on your own dime.

    We need an election now, this crowd have lost their minds and need to go.

    So someone who tests positive for covid shouldn't have to restrict their movements just because they themselves may not become sick? You think they should be allowed in to the country to spread the virus?

    What exactly do you think an election would solve? Every party in opposition at the minute wants stricter quarantine controls and restrictions. Who would you vote for?


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    #3485
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Looking at France, they should be put on the high risk list now/today.
    I have the feeling that Macron will announce a complete lockdown of the country later on today.


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    #3486
    TheCitizen
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    M_Murphy57 wrote: »
    Yes, that's what's so ****ing stupid.

    They are introducing PCR tests on arrival now too which if you fail see you sent to covid jail on your own dime.

    We need an election now, this crowd have lost their minds and need to go.

    You must be joking. They should have had a blanked quarantine on all travellers coming into the country since the beginning of this process as NPHET called for. It's a scandal that the government were so reluctant to introduce quarantining and still haven't introduced it across the board.

    I have never heard or seen a journalist or broadcaster quiz any politician on this failure. There must be a reason for this and I suspect that Larry Goodman and the other meat plant owners have had their influence over that disastrous negligence. It also appears the mainstream media in Ireland are afraid of Goodman et al in case they sue them perhaps given they've got deep pockets.

    Is there a thread on here re the meat plants?


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    #3487
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Does anyone know why there's 10 arrival ports on the booking website and I just read that there's 4 hotels provided for this quarantining and they're all in Dublin. So if you arrive in Shannon or Cork, are they going to bus you to Dublin?

    you won't be arriving in Shannon or Cork. They're closed (or as good as)


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    #3488
    saabsaab
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    I could be wrong but have 3 of the few quarantined so far developed Covid? Anyone else heard this?


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    #3489
    KrustyUCC
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Does anyone know why there's 10 arrival ports on the booking website and I just read that there's 4 hotels provided for this quarantining and they're all in Dublin. So if you arrive in Shannon or Cork, are they going to bus you to Dublin?

    Yes they do from Cork anyway


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    #3490
    TheDriver
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    you won't be arriving in Shannon or Cork. They're closed (or as good as)

    You could be coming from a wealth of countries via Amsterdam to Cork so it is quite possible.


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    #3491
    Away With The Fairies
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    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Yes they do from Cork anyway

    So they bring you on a bus from Cork to Dublin to quarantine. So when they let you out, do you get the bus back down to Cork and only to share a bus with other passengers and any one of them could be infected as well.

    I know it's about not bringing in new variants. But they really don't care about the health of people after quarantining. After spending almost 2grand on quarantining, I would want a safe country.


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    #3492
    faceman
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    The plot thickens. Ireland could be in hot water for charging EU and Irish citizens to quarantine and it may be illegal to do so.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/attorney-general-warnshealth-minister-it-may-be-illegal-to-charge-eu-citizens-to-stay-in-quarantine-hotels-40262921.html


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    #3493
    Away With The Fairies
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    faceman wrote: »
    The plot thickens. Ireland could be in hot water for charging EU and Irish citizens to quarantine and it may be illegal to do so.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/attorney-general-warnshealth-minister-it-may-be-illegal-to-charge-eu-citizens-to-stay-in-quarantine-hotels-40262921.html

    Can they still stay in quarantine if they didn't pay?


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    #3494
    normanoffside
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    faceman wrote: »
    The plot thickens. Ireland could be in hot water for charging EU and Irish citizens to quarantine and it may be illegal to do so.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/attorney-general-warnshealth-minister-it-may-be-illegal-to-charge-eu-citizens-to-stay-in-quarantine-hotels-40262921.html

    Hopefully that's an end to this carry on.


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    #3495
    Golfman64
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    Concern plans to extend hotel quarantine could breach EU citizens’ rights
    via The Irish Times
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/concern-plans-to-extend-hotel-quarantine-could-breach-eu-citizens-rights-1.4525043

    Very scary that this was even a possibility. Seems a group of unelected medics playing god and ruler of the economy - simply unbelievable.


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    #3496
    Away With The Fairies
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    Golfman64 wrote: »
    Concern plans to extend hotel quarantine could breach EU citizens’ rights
    via The Irish Times
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/concern-plans-to-extend-hotel-quarantine-could-breach-eu-citizens-rights-1.4525043

    Very scary that this was even a possibility. Seems a group of unelected medics playing god and ruler of the economy - simply unbelievable.

    So you have a right to spread disease? Lovely country we live in. I'd be better protected if I was a horse or cow.


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    #3497
    josip
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    faceman wrote: »
    The plot thickens. Ireland could be in hot water for charging EU and Irish citizens to quarantine and it may be illegal to do so.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/attorney-general-warnshealth-minister-it-may-be-illegal-to-charge-eu-citizens-to-stay-in-quarantine-hotels-40262921.html


    So now the state (us taxpayers) will be on the hook for the cost of the contract to hotelier.
    For what was from the start a totally inconsequential populist measure, solely brought in to placate the irrationally paranoid in our society.
    Don't let the door hit you in the asre on the way out MHQ.


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    #3498
    acequion
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    To those of you with your single minded vendetta against all travellers, despite the violation of EU principles such as free movement which we pledged to honour, do you never consider that approximately 500 people every day in this country are given the right to "spread disease" as there is no talk of locking them up and thankfully so.

    Or do you think they should all be locked up as well? And if not why not, as with their positive diagnosis, are they not much more likely to spread disease?


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    #3499
    Happydays2020
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    faceman wrote: »
    The plot thickens. Ireland could be in hot water for charging EU and Irish citizens to quarantine and it may be illegal to do so.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/attorney-general-warnshealth-minister-it-may-be-illegal-to-charge-eu-citizens-to-stay-in-quarantine-hotels-40262921.html

    I am not surprised.


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    #3500
    carveone
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    So you have a right to spread disease? Lovely country we live in. I'd be better protected if I was a horse or cow.

    Well, usually importation of horses are done by trained professionals and there are no quarantine requirements; a check is done on the horse at the airport and (I believe) a second check 48 hours after the horse arrives at their destination.

    So, upside is that horses seem to undergo checks on arrival as opposed to sauntering into the country untested. Downside is that they might be humanely destroyed if they fail. Which might be a tough one to legislate for humans. Entertaining though.

    :P


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    #3501
    httpete
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    faceman wrote: »
    The plot thickens. Ireland could be in hot water for charging EU and Irish citizens to quarantine and it may be illegal to do so.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/attorney-general-warnshealth-minister-it-may-be-illegal-to-charge-eu-citizens-to-stay-in-quarantine-hotels-40262921.html

    Can someone tell me why there are 'legal issues' when we try to place restrictions on travel from other EU countries, yet there was no issue when Germany restricted Irish (and Portuguese) citizens from travelling there last month?
    https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/germany-bans-arrivals-from-ireland-portugal-over-new-covid-19-variants/

    And Germany issued an outright ban which is even more severe than a mandatory quarantine.


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    #3502
    UDAWINNER
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    If you're stupid enough to go abroad for non essential reasons during a pandemic, you should pay the 2k for the hotels. If certain people had been sensible during christmas we may not be in lockdown now


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    #3503
    Away With The Fairies
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    acequion wrote: »
    To those of you with your single minded vendetta against all travellers, despite the violation of EU principles such as free movement which we pledged to honour, do you never consider that approximately 500 people every day in this country are given the right to "spread disease" as there is no talk of locking them up and thankfully so.

    Or do you think they should all be locked up as well? And if not why not, as with their positive diagnosis, are they not much more likely to spread disease?

    I think 3 of these 500 today came from quarantine. So do we allow them to go home instead and quarantine with mammy and daddy and brother's and sisters. You know, where it spreads some more.


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    #3504
    saabsaab
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I think 3 of these 500 today came from quarantine. So do we allow them to go home instead and quarantine with mammy and daddy and brother's and sisters. You know, where it spreads some more.


    Shows how much is linked with air travel if 3 (at least) out of what was it 28? developed it!
    After whatever screening they had prior.


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    #3505
    UDAWINNER
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    faceman wrote: »
    The plot thickens. Ireland could be in hot water for charging EU and Irish citizens to quarantine and it may be illegal to do so.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/attorney-general-warnshealth-minister-it-may-be-illegal-to-charge-eu-citizens-to-stay-in-quarantine-hotels-40262921.html
    Hope he's knows more about covid laws than the previous AG:D


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    #3506
    acequion
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    httpete wrote: »
    Can someone tell me why there are 'legal issues' when we try to place restrictions on travel from other EU countries, yet there was no issue when Germany restricted Irish (and Portuguese) citizens from travelling there last month?
    https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/germany-bans-arrivals-from-ireland-portugal-over-new-covid-19-variants/

    And Germany issued an outright ban which is even more severe than a mandatory quarantine.

    How is a very short term ban more severe than detaining people for a minimum of 12 days in a military style operation as in army escort etc and charging them a substantial sum of money for what is an unpleasant experience?


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    Away With The Fairies
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    saabsaab wrote: »
    Shows how much is linked with air travel if 3 (at least) out of what was it 28? developed it!

    So far. Some people develop symptoms earlier and some later.


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    #3508
    josip
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    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    If you're stupid enough to go abroad for non essential reasons during a pandemic, you should pay the 2k for the hotels. If certain people had been sensible during christmas we may not be in lockdown now


    What about the people who are abroad for essential reasons?


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    #3509
    hotmail.com
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    Shocking that so many Irish people are in favour of quarantining our own citizens for 12 days.

    What has this pandemic done to us.


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    #3510
    Away With The Fairies
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Shocking that so many Irish people are in favour of quarantining our own citizens for 12 days.

    What has this pandemic done to us.

    Glad to see that Irish people like to see more people sick and suffering in hospitals, long covid and end up in coffins.


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    #3511
    hotmail.com
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Glad to see that Irish people like to see more people sick and suffering in hospitals, long covid and end up in coffins.

    I'm not against controls. Incoming passengers could be tested daily instead for the first 7 days.

    I just find the notion of mandatory quarantine a horrible outcome of this pandemic. Cruel and harsh.


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