Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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Deleted User wrote: »

Regular people are the ones getting fúcked. They've had lockdowns for a year so the tiny minority can fly.

Lockdowns were and are always a choice, not an inevitability. Allowing travel doesn't also force us to enact lockdowns.

faceman

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Why do you want people to leave from a quarantine hotel?

Nobody is making people choose between their jobs and families abroad. You can leave after 2 weeks of quarantine and be safe to see family.

Assuming you can afford the €2k cost and can work as normal while in the hotel, and assuming you aren’t travelling on compassionate grounds.

acequion

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Freedom vs health. Ah sure what's health if I have the freedom to spread disease. Some people's attitude to the whole thing is shocking.

And some people's tunnel vision is bordering on insanity. An insanity that could cause far more longterm and wider reaching consequences for our entire population than Covid 19.

josip

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Covid isn't a cold though. Also the HSE portal isn't up and running yet, you seem to think it is and people who logged on are already vaccinated, on a website that's not even in operational yet.

I think you know already that a negative PCR doesn't tell much. You can get infected the days between the test and flight. But sure, that doesn't matter.

My "anyone else who logged onto the HSE's portal" remark was in jest at those non-FHCWs who took advantage of the lax portal to get vaccinated.
Nothing to do with the up and coming portal in April.

Of course you can get infected between the test and arrival.
But you could also get food poisoning, hit by a car or burned alive in your bed while you sleep.
Thankfully most people in society don't let these outlier events dictate how they live their lives.

Away With The Fairies

josip wrote: »

My "anyone else who logged onto the HSE's portal" remark was in jest at those non-FHCWs who took advantage of the lax portal to get vaccinated.
Nothing to do with the up and coming portal in April.

Of course you can get infected between the test and arrival.
But you could also get food poisoning, hit by a car or burned alive in your bed while you sleep.
Thankfully most people in society don't let these outlier events dictate how they live their lives.

Food poisoning, hit by a car or burned alive is horrible but none of those are contagious.

Doctor Jimbob

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Food poisoning, hit by a car or burned alive is horrible but none of those are contagious.

Can't compare to any of those things because they're not contagious.

Can't compare to other contagious diseases because they're not covid.

What comparisons would be valid, in your opinion?

httpete

acequion wrote: »

How is a very short term ban more severe than detaining people for a minimum of 12 days in a military style operation as in army escort etc and charging them a substantial sum of money for what is an unpleasant experience?

Its basic logic but I'll spell it out.

An outright bans means Irish citizens categorically could not enter Germany.

On the other hand, suppose instead Germany had imposed mandatory hotel quarantine on Irish citizens. Then, they have the option to either not enter Germany or else enter it and undergo mandatory hotel quarantine.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Regular people are the ones getting fúcked. They've had lockdowns for a year so the tiny minority can fly.

That is a ridiculous statement and Im surprised wasnt flagged by another user as such. That is absolutely not what the lockdowns are for nor do the two equate. You have lockdowns to protect the old and vulnerable because Ireland has insufficient ICU beds and capacity in its medical system

Lets be clear here, the blame is at the feet of the public at large. We should have been less short sighted and invested in public services more while holding TDs to account on the issues that matter instead of parish politics.

A full year into this mess and ICU beds no better, hospital capacity no better, waiting lists even longer, reliant on the goodwill of medical staff who FLEW into the country to help and still no sign of the primised efficient vaccine rollout we were promised

faceman

httpete wrote: »

Its basic logic but I'll spell it out.

An outright bans means Irish citizens categorically could not enter Germany.

On the other hand, suppose instead Germany had imposed mandatory hotel quarantine on Irish citizens. Then, they have the option to either not enter Germany or else enter it and undergo mandatory hotel quarantine.

Arguably the German ban would been deemed proportionate.

It had a fixed end date
It didn’t effect German citizens or eu citizens resident in Germany
It was justified by way of the high case numbers of the U.K. variant

Macca421

expectationlost wrote: »

if you been in a red list country with 14 days previously you have to quarantine.
when did you got o Brazil?

I have been out here since early Jan. Booked to come back later this month. It could all change by then, looking at the **** show it is now lol! Good auld Ireland and the half-arsed measures again! God forbid they pissed off America and their out of control covid.

munchkin_utd

faceman wrote: »

Arguably the German ban would been deemed proportionate.

It had a fixed end date
It didn’t effect German citizens or eu citizens resident in Germany
It was justified by way of the high case numbers of the U.K. variant

the german bans also exempted people travelling on business or cross border workers. People transiting through the country were also exempt, and unlike irish hotel quarantine where you have the army in their jeeps and machine guns at your front door in Dublin, that relies on trust of the person transiting, so could be seen as a far less harsh measure than whats proposed in Ireland.

The germans have a saying, for every rule (law) comes their exceptions, and being a country that loves to make things complicated, they lash on the exceptions with gusto !

The plans for the hotel quarantine in Ireland though didnt even allow an exemption for attending your parents funeral, and you coming from a country which might have no variant of concern and less covid than Ireland. The severity of the proposed measures are completely out of proportion to the risk.

hmmm

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I don't want there to be quarantine hotels to begin with. Bringing them in last year would have been a good move. Doing it now is nonsense.

The Government pandered to the mob with deciding on this quarantine plan, and now they are dealing with ever-increasing levels of nonsense.

We're not going to quarantine people flying in from Germany or the US. People need to get a grip.

I have a lot of sympathy for a government being forced to make difficult decisions while the opposition keep throwing out easy solutions, but I've no sympathy where they have done something they knew was not a good idea and now are being forced to keep digging. Hand this over to some multi-disciplinary public sector committee and ask them to provide a report in 6 months time by which time the pandemic will be a memory.

hotmail.com

The government have backed away from introducing quarantine to the said countries after the legal advice. This includes the U.S. - The Irish Times.

Firstly, why is Austria currently on the list as they are in the EU.

And secondly, why can't the quarantine be introduced for the US?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/government-set-to-announce-extension-of-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-to-only-half-of-countries-1.4526399?mode=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

hotmail.com

Charlie Flanagan calls on the forced hotel quarantine to be scrapped - Indo.

Those going into that quarantine may be there illegally and could be entitled to compensation.

faceman

hotmail.com wrote: »

Charlie Flanagan calls on the forced hotel quarantine to be scrapped - Indo.

Those going into that quarantine may be there illegally and could be entitled to compensation.

The more it’s reported the more of a shambles it’s highlighting. The government is not aligned or communicating.

And here’s the link

https://www.independent.ie/news/hotel-quarantine-system-should-be-discontinued-former-justice-minister-charlie-flanagan-40265985.html

hotmail.com

hotmail.com wrote: »

Charlie Flanagan calls on the forced hotel quarantine to be scrapped - Indo.

Those going into that quarantine may be there illegally and could be entitled to compensation.

"Have you been quarantined in Ireland? You could be in line for compensation. Call 1800 XXX ..."

0lddog

Perhaps a tad O/T

One guys view on getting Vaxed in La Belle France

munchkin_utd

hotmail.com wrote: »

The government have backed away from introducing quarantine to the said countries after the legal advice. This includes the U.S. - The Irish Times.

Firstly, why is Austria currently on the list as they are in the EU.

And secondly, why can't the quarantine be introduced for the US?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/government-set-to-announce-extension-of-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-to-only-half-of-countries-1.4526399?mode=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Austria is on the list as they had (past tense) an issue with the south african variant , and its still on the list as the health experts are inept and cant keep up with the news.

The USA isnt a source of variants so its questionable whether it deserves to be on the list seeing as thats a prime reason to be put on the list.

faceman

munchkin_utd wrote: »

Austria is on the list as they had (past tense) an issue with the south african variant , and its still on the list as the health experts are inept and cant keep up with the news.

The USA isnt a source of variants so its questionable whether it deserves to be on the list seeing as thats a prime reason to be put on the list.

Just regarding the US there are 2 variants that are potentially problematic; the New York strain and California strain.

hmmm

I understand the government felt they were in a difficult position as the mob, whipped up by journalists (including for some reason RTE who we have to pay for) decided that instead of pointing the finger at ourselves we could blame people from abroad for the Winter surge. They postponed this for as long as they could.

The mob has moved on. Just drop it as quickly and as quietly as we can. Vaccination cert or recent negative test, welcome to Ireland.

normanoffside

hmmm wrote: »

I understand the government felt they were in a difficult position as the mob, whipped up by journalists (including for some reason RTE who we have to pay for) decided that instead of pointing the finger at ourselves we could blame people from abroad for the Winter surge. They postponed this for as long as they could.

The mob has moved on. Just drop it as quickly and as quietly as we can. Vaccination cert or recent negative test, welcome to Ireland.

Yep, they only brought in the negative test requirement in Mid January.

If they had brought it in around Autumn 2020 like most countries had already done then much of this would have been avoided.

saabsaab

hmmm wrote: »

I understand the government felt they were in a difficult position as the mob, whipped up by journalists (including for some reason RTE who we have to pay for) decided that instead of pointing the finger at ourselves we could blame people from abroad for the Winter surge. They postponed this for as long as they could.

The mob has moved on. Just drop it as quickly and as quietly as we can. Vaccination cert or recent negative test, welcome to Ireland.

Rightly so. Where did we get 90% of UK variant from otherwise?

normanoffside

saabsaab wrote: »

Rightly so. Where did we get 90% of UK variant from otherwise?

Why didn't Ireland insist on a negative PCR?
These people hardly travelled knowing they were carrying anything.

hmmm

saabsaab wrote: »

Rightly so. Where did we get 90% of UK variant from otherwise?

Obviously every variant has come into this country from somewhere. But it can only spread if we allow it to spread internally. It wasn't someone travelling from abroad who caused every infection with the "UK variant", it was picked up by others and spread here as a consequence.

Now why are we blocking people from Israel, a country with much more people vaccinated, no unusual variants and a rapidly diminishing case count from entering this country without quarantining?

72sheep

No need for airport controls as that would prevent the intrepid CEO of the Beacon from speeding around some UK race track. Meanwhile, hold tight all you little people in your tiny houses/flats until you are told it is safe to come out. The polls indicate that the silently majority want to "go harder"; remember we are all in this together.

Red Silurian

I'm not sure if this is an April fools day joke but the journal are reporting the following countries are added to our mandatory hotel quarantine list

the Republic of Albania
the Principality of Andorra
Aruba
the Kingdom of Bahrain
Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba
the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia
the State of Israel
the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan
the Republic of Kosovo
the State of Kuwait
the Republic of Lebanon
the Republic of San Marino
the Republic of Moldova
the Principality of Monaco
Montenegro
the Federal Republic of Nigeria
the Republic of North Macedonia
the Sultanate of Oman
the State of Palestine
the Republic of the Philippines
the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico
the State of Qatar
Saint Lucia
the Republic of Serbia
the Federal Republic of Somalia
the Territory of the Wallis and Futuna Islands

Israel, 2 countries without airports and most on the list without direct flights to Ireland

Wtf!

saabsaab

normanoffside wrote: »

Why didn't Ireland insist on a negative PCR?
These people hardly travelled knowing they were carrying anything.

Whether they knew or not same result.

faceman

saabsaab wrote: »

Rightly so. Where did we get 90% of UK variant from otherwise?

Spain has a travel ban on U.K travellers since December. Not quarantine, a ban.

What’s the biggest strain in Spain?

The U.K. variant.

Away With The Fairies

Red Silurian wrote: »

I'm not sure if this is an April fools day joke but the journal are reporting the following countries are added to our mandatory hotel quarantine list

the Republic of Albania
the Principality of Andorra
Aruba
the Kingdom of Bahrain
Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba
the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia
the State of Israel
the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan
the Republic of Kosovo
the State of Kuwait
the Republic of Lebanon
the Republic of San Marino
the Republic of Moldova
the Principality of Monaco
Montenegro
the Federal Republic of Nigeria
the Republic of North Macedonia
the Sultanate of Oman
the State of Palestine
the Republic of the Philippines
the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico
the State of Qatar
Saint Lucia
the Republic of Serbia
the Federal Republic of Somalia
the Territory of the Wallis and Futuna Islands

Israel, 2 countries without airports and most on the list without direct flights to Ireland

Wtf!

While I read that there's a New York variant now and there's no quarantine for them.

carveone

Qatar, that'll catch all those people coming from Australia that changed their flights to avoid the UAE.

No worries, they've a whole four days notice; sure that's piles of time to come up with a few grand, cancel any funerals, etc. I'm sure there'll be a queue of posters waiting to say how unsympathetic they are and how many weeks in advance you should have known.

Meanwhile, have they figured out how many people flying in from Lisbon aren't actually travelling from Lisbon? Have they bothered implementing social distancing and PPE on the bus to the hotel yet? Can you still just walk out of the hotel or is that someone else's problem? - sure technology is so advanced that of course the Gardai can track people down with just a name.