Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

is_that_so

expectationlost wrote: »

has the rest of his family been vaccinated? probably not.

I'm sure you planned to finish this point sometime.

Doctor Jimbob

saabsaab wrote: »

Hard cases make bad law. Best to look at the bigger picture and not look at individual cases.

We should indeed look at the bigger picture.

For example, we should consider the low risk of letting someone vaccinated and with negative tests into the country. Or the low risk of a vaccine resistant variant becoming the problem. Or the damage this will do to Ireland's reputation as a great place for skilled foreign workers to come.

We're not looking at the bigger picture at all. We're obsessed with a fear of variants.

MIDLANDSMAN

I'm still so angry and annoyed with this MHQ. I'm thinking what it must be like for a single person, maybe with little or no English to be met at the airport by soldiers and escorted to a hotel room and be put there in solitary for 14 days. They can meet no-one. Prisoners in for murder get better treatment and the prisoners don't have to pay for it. I'm ashamed to be Irish. We are the only EU country to do this. Why???

For a variant that doesn't exist? If it can bypass the vaccines then what do we do? How do we ever get out of the mess. I can see lawsuits, compensation, etc in years to come.

DebDynamite

How are the UK doing with their MHQ? In cases like this, would they let him skip quarantine on compassionate grounds, or would they still require him to quarantine? I’ve genuinely not heard, so am just curious.

Golfman64

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

With my logic, how do you protect people's health? A negative test doesn't say much though. You can still carry covid and still infect others on the flight. I don't understand how that is so difficult to understand.

Transmission on flights has been shown and proven to be negligible - case closed on that one I’m afraid.

You still didn’t answer my question about how you protect the tourism and travel industries and enable a viable future for these industries in the coming months?

I’ve answered your question by suggesting we allow those fully vaccinated to bypass any quarantine requirements as it has been proven that vaccinations are highly effective at preventing both infection and transmission of all known variants. Admittedly there is less knowledge on transmission but what there is looks very positive and of this continues I would expect we can have this type of setup in place by mid June to provide the ability to those industries most affected (tourism and travel) to start ramping up significantly at that point.

I know that probably won’t fit your zero Covid loon agenda but you really need to realise how important a healthy domestic and international tourism and travel (both essential and non essential) is to our economy if we want to keep the lights on.

saabsaab

Golfman64 wrote: »

Transmission on flights has been shown and proven to be negligible - case closed on that one I’m afraid.

You still didn’t answer my question about how you protect the tourism and travel industries and enable a viable future for these industries in the coming months?

I’ve answered your question by suggesting we allow those fully vaccinated to bypass any quarantine requirements as it has been proven that vaccinations are highly effective at preventing both infection and transmission of all known variants. Admittedly there is less knowledge on transmission but what there is looks very positive and of this continues I would expect we can have this type of setup in place by mid June to provide the ability to those industries most affected (tourism and travel) to start ramping up significantly at that point.

I know that probably won’t fit your zero Covid loon agenda but you really need to realise how important a healthy domestic and international tourism and travel (both essential and non essential) is to our economy if we want to keep the lights on.

Not fair. We need to bring this under control or there won't be any tourism. However I think that by end June we will have with the vaccine roll outs well on the way.

BobbyBolivia

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Nonsense. The law's the law and he'll get his day in court to challenge it.

Funny how the government just let him go then isnt it?

Almost as if they knew the whole thing would fall apart as soon as a court got to hear it.

But the law is the law! :rolleyes:

saabsaab

BobbyBolivia wrote: »

Funny how the government just let him go then isnt it?

Almost as if they knew the whole thing would fall apart as soon as a court got to hear it.

But the law is the law! :rolleyes:

Time to move on.

Ronaldinho

BobbyBolivia wrote: »

Funny how the government just let him go then isnt it?

Almost as if they knew the whole thing would fall apart as soon as a court got to hear it.

But the law is the law! :rolleyes:

Is it because the Govt. doesn't want to be made into the villain of the piece or because they're aware of defect in the law? One is as likely as the other I'd say.

hmmm

The problem I think for the Government (and all of us) now is that if some of these cases succeed it may affect all public health laws and restrictions.

I don't really have a problem with MHQ as a concept, but I have a problem with the cack-handed way it was implemented. They knew there would be hard cases, but they didn't have a response ready. Sure there is a risk that a vaccinated person may be carrying the virus, but it's a small risk and allowing vaccinated people to avoid MHQ would have been a small price to pay to avoid all this drama. They had no exit criteria, and couldn't tell anyone when this would end and under what circumstances. They knew also that some of our closest neighbours and biggest trading partners could end up on the list, and had no plan for if this happened - Poland and India should be on the list given the criteria they've talked about but aren't, I wonder is it because it would cause chaos.

FF jumped on this to keep SF happy and show FG up as weak on Covid. They own this mess and need to sort it out.

ZX7R

saabsaab wrote: »

Time to move on.

You have posted this response on two threads why,are you not even willing to admit for the good or bad ,MHQ is flawed.

saabsaab

ZX7R wrote: »

You have posted this response on two threads why,are you not even willing to admit for the good or bad ,MHQ is flawed.

Everything is flawed but it's better than no quarantine as in 'voluntary' quarantine.

Father Hernandez

saabsaab wrote: »

Everything is flawed but it's better than no quarantine as in 'voluntary' quarantine.

I agree. Why don't we extend that to everyone who tests positive for Covid so we can eradicate it from Ireland?

saabsaab

Father Hernandez wrote: »

I agree. Why don't we extend that to everyone who tests positive for Covid so we can eradicate it from Ireland?

Fair enough.

JP Liz V1

The Great Gatsby wrote: »

Ok, let me see if I can get this straight . . . so, an Irish Citizen who is fully vaccinated, has a negative Covid test three days before arrival, and can self-isolate with family in the middle of nowhere in the west of Ireland, arrives at Shannon airport from USA/Canada/Italy/France, etc and is then put on a bus and taken with other passengers on a 2-3 hour bus trip to a hotel in Dublin to quarantine for 12 days at a cost to that person of at least 2k . . . I'm just trying to get my head around that and what exactly it accomplishes.

Is quarantine hotels only in Dublin, I thought near all operational airports in ROI

M_Murphy57

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is quarantine hotels only in Dublin, I thought near all operational airports in ROI

Lol, no.

All the passengers in other airports are stuffed into a bus with a driver, probably the defence forces and get bussed to Dublin. Probably creating "dE vArIaNt" that the govt claim we are doing this to avoid.

UDAWINNER

faceman wrote: »

“Your father is about to die. You can’t see him. Just get on with it”

We’ve become monsters.

Plenty of people have missed funeral of close loved ones during this period, not just due to MHQ, they had to get on with it

ninebeanrows

A disgraceful item on RTÉ this evening about a flight ages ago before pre departure testing

What disgraceful reporting

Father Hernandez

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Plenty of people have missed funeral of close loved ones during this period, not just due to MHQ, they had to get on with it

You're dead right but 99.9% of them didn't have to spend 2 weeks in a detention centre at a cost of €1,800 when loved ones are dying.

martingriff

ninebeanrows wrote: »

A disgraceful item on RTÉ this evening about a flight ages ago before pre departure testing

What disgraceful reporting

which one

ninebeanrows

They talk about 3 flights

Then they quote 59 onward cases from airlines that occurred last year before testing that are not related !!!!!

Shameful

ninebeanrows

RTÉ is now worse than daily mail

martingriff

ninebeanrows wrote: »

They talk about 3 flights

Then they quote 59 onward cases from airlines that occurred last year before testing that are not related !!!!!

Shameful

Did not see it

Edit: Do mean where they said that case from 1 flight has been linked to 59 people, See nothing wrong with it

Wasn't there a case where someone who flew home had covid went out infected a couple of friends. Who then infected family where 1 died.

ninebeanrows

RTÉ is now worse than daily mail

ninebeanrows

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0411/1209143-covid-ireland/

Disgusting article

Totally misleading

caveat emptor

Not good news that the P1 variant is making inroads. Very sad about the man who is visiting his dying father. I was under the impression that exceptions can be made in exceptional circumstances. This would appear to apply here and can be mitigated for especially given the circumstances.


https://twitter.com/amymorgangp/status/1381246892286353409?s=20

Overseas flights and variants
Earlier on Sunday, the Department of Health said three Covid-19 outbreaks in the past fortnight have been linked to overseas flights, while the HSE separately said 19 cases of the Brazilian P1 variant have been confirmed in the State.
Two of these outbreaks involved possible variant of concern cases and remain under investigation, it said.
Explaining why quarantine rules must apply to people transiting through designated “high-risk” states requiring mandatory quarantine, a spokeswoman said several cases of in-flight transmission of the virus have been reported during the pandemic.

fm

ninebeanrows wrote: »

RTÉ is now worse than daily mail

While RTE love this kind of ****e, the HSE have conveniently come up with this story. What evidence have they provided other than "some evidence of variants of concern", its ridiculous.

namloc1980

"Variants of concern" is like the new "wet pubs" or "flatten the curve".

zebastein

Question: the rugby team of Leinster need to travel to France to play the semi final of European cup. (1-2may)
What do you see happening?
a) They quarantine 12days (all staff + players ~ 40 people) after their game. That takes almost 10% of the quarantine capacity.
b) They invent an exemption for sports team conveniently just before the game
c) They invent an exemption for work related travels, that benefits other workers in Ireland
d) They use the Belfast loophole

Feria40

zebastein wrote: »

Question: the rugby team of Leinster need to travel to France to play the semi final of European cup. (1-2may)
What do you see happening?
a) They quarantine 12days (all staff + players ~ 40 people) after their game. That takes almost 10% of the quarantine capacity.
b) They invent an exemption for sports team conveniently just before the game
c) They invent an exemption for work related travels, that benefits other workers in Ireland
d) They use the Belfast loophole

Option B I reckon