Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Lmkrnr

joseywhales wrote: »

Out of interest, the flying into belfast option, do you need a UK passport for that post brexit?

Easy jet accept drivers license ect. Ryanair only passports. Aer Lingus i don't know. Ireland and UK are part of a common travel area.

munchkin_utd

joseywhales wrote: »

Out of interest, the flying into belfast option, do you need a UK passport for that post brexit?

thatd be a laugh!! Asking the likes of Gerry Adams to produce a british passport when arriving into his home city !!

Valhallapt

joseywhales wrote: »

Out of interest, the flying into belfast option, do you need a UK passport for that post brexit?

No, sure half them only have Irish passports anyway.

Lmkrnr

Ryanair should invest more in Northern Areas of Ireland while they are beginning to open up. Belfast is the only show in town but Derry would be right on the border. Could see it being very busy.

Valhallapt

Lmkrnr wrote: »

Easy jet accept drivers license ect. Ryanair only passports. Aer Lingus i don't know. Ireland and UK are part of a common travel area.

It’s always a passport between the CTA and the EU

Valhallapt

Lmkrnr wrote: »

Ryanair should invest more in Northern Areas of Ireland while they are beginning to open up. Belfast is the only show in town but Derry would be right on the border. Could see it being very busy.

Ryanair already reopened Belfast base with three aircraft moved from Dublin, they may will move more aircraft north if MHQ continues

Lmkrnr

Valhallapt wrote: »

It’s always a passport between the CTA and the EU

Yeah I was replying from a intra CTA pov England to Belfast ect.

A park and fly option to Belfast from the border town's would be a good business if NI really opens up.

joseywhales

Lmkrnr wrote: »

Yeah I was replying from a intra CTA pov England to Belfast ect.

A park and fly option to Belfast from the border town's would be a good business if NI really opens up.

Would you chance a bus? Might be better get someone with an irish reg for pick up.

Belfast isn't the only option, is Canada on the list?

expectationlost

where are the details of the post travel isolation advice for people who don't have to go into mandatory hotel quarantine? https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b4020-travelling-to-ireland-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/ I can't find the details regarding this anymore, its all been overwritten by MHQ text.

a_squirrelman

expectationlost wrote: »

where are the details of the post travel isolation advice for people who don't have to go into mandatory hotel quarantine? https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b4020-travelling-to-ireland-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/ I can't find the details regarding this anymore, its all been overwritten by MHQ text.

It's there under "Post-arrival quarantine requirements for all passengers arriving in Ireland".

expectationlost

a_squirrelman wrote: »

It's there under "Post-arrival quarantine requirements for all passengers arriving in Ireland".

don't consider this to be details

a 14-day quarantine period must be undertaken at the address specified on the Passenger Locator Form

Red Silurian

namloc1980 wrote: »

Yes it should protect people from being arbitrarily detained by the State.

Nobody is being arbitrarily detained by the state... People are choosing to come to our country from another and must follow the law when they land... They can choose not to enter the state if they do not wish to quarantine

It makes more sense to have a mandatory hotel quarantine system in place for a handful of tourists for 2 weeks than to half-arsedly force an entire nation to stay within 5km of their homes for 3 months

a_squirrelman

expectationlost wrote: »

don't consider this to be details

and

• passengers who travel from another country to Ireland, and arrive via Northern Ireland, must also observe the mandatory quarantine regime
• you may only leave your place of residence during the quarantine period for unavoidable reasons of an emergency nature to protect a person’s health or welfare, or to leave the State
• you can end your period of quarantine if you receive written confirmation of a ‘non-detected’ RT-PCR test result taken no less than 5 days after arrival. You must retain the written confirmation of your test result for at least 14 days

What do you mean by details though?

Regarding the last point they could state that we have to pay for the PCR ourselves, which I believe is the case, that one is a bit vague.

Red Silurian

a_squirrelman wrote: »

and

• passengers who travel from another country to Ireland, and arrive via Northern Ireland, must also observe the mandatory quarantine regime
• you may only leave your place of residence during the quarantine period for unavoidable reasons of an emergency nature to protect a person’s health or welfare, or to leave the State
• you can end your period of quarantine if you receive written confirmation of a ‘non-detected’ RT-PCR test result taken no less than 5 days after arrival. You must retain the written confirmation of your test result for at least 14 days

What do you mean by details though?

Regarding the last point they could state that we have to pay for the PCR ourselves, which I believe is the case, that one is a bit vague.

How do you get a PCR test taken if you can't leave your quarantine location though?

markjbloggs

Red Silurian wrote: »

It makes more sense to have a mandatory hotel quarantine system in place for a handful of tourists for 2 weeks than to half-arsedly force an entire nation to stay within 5km of their homes for 3 months

eh, probably not .....

Red Silurian

Red Silurian wrote: »

How do you get a PCR test taken if you can't leave your quarantine location though?

Obviously its one of the expemptions

a_squirrelman

Red Silurian wrote: »

How do you get a PCR test taken if you can't leave your quarantine location though?

I guess most gards will be sound and let you carry on to your testing location.

joseywhales

Red Silurian wrote: »

Nobody is being arbitrarily detained by the state... People are choosing to come to our country from another and must follow the law when they land... They can choose not to enter the state if they do not wish to quarantine

It makes more sense to have a mandatory hotel quarantine system in place for a handful of tourists for 2 weeks than to half-arsedly force an entire nation to stay within 5km of their homes for 3 months

My problem is not with inhibiting tourism, it's that some of the travel I wouldn't tag as tourism. For example I want to visit my parents, I don't see that so much as tourism as my duty to the people responsible for mt life. I cant do it, for some indefinite period, due to mhq. they need to either:

Clarify the rules and be committed and not move goal posts, so we can plan for an exit date.

Exempt travelling home to visit family as essential travel

They will not do the later, so I'm hoping they can do the former.

Yakov P. Golyadkin

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Roberto Lopes for Shamrock Rovers would feel hard done by if there are exemptions made for professional sportspeople in Ireland after he did his 2 weeks in detention.

My guess is the IRFU will put massive pressure on the gov and they'll succumb to option B though.

And Option B is the correct answer!

https://mobile.twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1381561043906924544

Chivito550

Red Silurian wrote: »

Nobody is being arbitrarily detained by the state... People are choosing to come to our country from another and must follow the law when they land... They can choose not to enter the state if they do not wish to quarantine

It makes more sense to have a mandatory hotel quarantine system in place for a handful of tourists for 2 weeks than to half-arsedly force an entire nation to stay within 5km of their homes for 3 months

"Tourist".

I wish people would stop using that word.

There are no tourists coming here. Why the f**k would a tourist want to come here right now!

munchkin_utd

Yakov P. Golyadkin wrote: »

And Option B is the correct answer!

https://mobile.twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1381561043906924544

so coming back to Ireland to see a parent on their death bed who could die any minute is not essential travel BUT going to or from an area of high incidence of variants is essential if you're just looking to play a bit of sport.

Grand so.

If my mam or dad (in their 80s) gets seriously ill or dies I just need to somehow become an elite athlete to come home for the hospital visit or funeral.

Chivito550

Chivito550 wrote: »

"Tourist".

I wish people would stop using that word.

There are no tourists coming here. Why the f**k would a tourist want to come here right now!

people like that particular poster use the words 'tourists' and 'holliers' to try to belittle the whole thing. Completely blind to the fact there there are no tourists; rather there are people who need to travel for their own essential reasons, having been cut off from family for so many months. It's just their way to try to win the argument

munchkin_utd

munchkin_utd wrote: »

so coming back to Ireland to see a parent on their death bed who could die any minute is not essential travel BUT going to or from an area of high incidence of variants is essential if you're just looking to play a bit of sport.

Grand so.

If my mam or dad (in their 80s) gets seriously ill or dies I just need to somehow become an elite athlete to come home for the hospital visit or funeral.

get training....there's still time to get to most olympic qualifying events!

faceman

Um NPHET won’t like this

https://twitter.com/politicsforali/status/1381253017169768451?s=21

JojoLoca

Red Silurian wrote: »

Nobody is being arbitrarily detained by the state... People are choosing to come to our country from another and must follow the law when they land... They can choose not to enter the state if they do not wish to quarantine

It makes more sense to have a mandatory hotel quarantine system in place for a handful of tourists for 2 weeks than to half-arsedly force an entire nation to stay within 5km of their homes for 3 months

There are hundreds of thousands of "tourists" living and working in Ireland. The entire nation was able to break the 5km limit for the essential reasons (like family emergency), yet the "tourists" should pay €1900 for that privilege?

Red Silurian

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Obviously its one of the expemptions

Obviously it should be but with the govt we have in power I'd wonder...

Chivito550 wrote: »

"Tourist".

I wish people would stop using that word.

There are no tourists coming here. Why the f**k would a tourist want to come here right now!

Tourists love coming here, sure wasn't that one of the problems last summer with the yanks coming over infecting an almost COVID free Kerry?

joseywhales wrote: »

My problem is not with inhibiting tourism, it's that some of the travel I wouldn't tag as tourism. For example I want to visit my parents, I don't see that so much as tourism as my duty to the people responsible for mt life. I cant do it, for some indefinite period, due to mhq. they need to either:

Clarify the rules and be committed and not move goal posts, so we can plan for an exit date.

Exempt travelling home to visit family as essential travel

They will not do the later, so I'm hoping they can do the former.

Visiting parents isn't essential though and if you are coming from a red listed country you risk spreading the virus to them so you should probably be isolating anyway before seeing them

joseywhales

Red Silurian wrote: »

Visiting parents isn't essential though and if you are coming from a red listed country you risk spreading the virus to them so you should probably be isolating anyway before seeing them

Yes but as a rational person, given that I am fully vaccinated and have a pcr test before and after each flight, with their approval, I will be able to talk to them in the garden. Precious moments that I am missing out on, for no very good reason as far as I can tell.

Red Silurian

joseywhales wrote: »

Yes but as a rational person, given that I am fully vaccinated and have a pcr test before and after each flight, with their approval, I will be able to talk to them in the garden. Precious moments that I am missing out on, for no very good reason as far as I can tell.

The problem isn't you, it's everybody who isn't vaccinated that could come in and spread the virus like wildfire that we don't want... And you know as well as I do that people will chance it

timmyntc

Red Silurian wrote: »

The problem isn't you, it's everybody who isn't vaccinated that could come in and spread the virus like wildfire that we don't want... And you know as well as I do that people will chance it

But the majority of virus spread comes from within our own country.
i.e. from Irish person to Irish person


Travel accounts for less than 2% of cases.

Red Silurian

timmyntc wrote: »

But the majority of virus spread comes from within our own country.
i.e. from Irish person to Irish person


Travel accounts for less than 2% of cases.

That's very misleading... In the below article somebody came back from holidays and didn't restrict ​movements resulting in 56 individuals in ten households and a sports team contracting Covid-19. So technically less than 2% of the cases (the 1 man of the 56) were accounted as travel and the other 55 were recorded as community transmission - as were the cases that the other 55 passed on

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1019/1172407-covid-19-midwest/