Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

normanoffside

Red Silurian wrote: »

Makes sense if they are out socialising with french people, going in to lectures and dining in the restaurants but there's only so much they can learn from the bi-weekly trip to the supermarket

Yeah but France hasn't been locked down like Ireland for the whole year.
Even if it was how would anyone have know that last September?

Red Silurian

Throwaway89 wrote: »

Wrong - please get your facts right before posting.

Roberto Lopez (Shamrock Rovers) had to spend 2wks in quarantine following international duty with cape verde. Missing 2x games for Rovers. Two appeals were lodged, and both declined.

Before you jump LoI is not an elite sport.....etc...etc...it's worth noting that when sports returned after xmas the LoI was specified as elite and GAA wasn't.

Where'd you see elite sports people don't have to quarantine?

Rynhardt Elstadt who plays for Toulouse had to miss the Munster/Toulouse game 2 weeks ago as he had been to his home country (South Africa) the week before

Corholio

Throwaway89 wrote: »

Wrong - please get your facts right before posting.

Roberto Lopez (Shamrock Rovers) had to spend 2wks in quarantine following international duty with cape verde. Missing 2x games for Rovers. Two appeals were lodged, and both declined.

Before you jump LoI is not an elite sport.....etc...etc...it's worth noting that when sports returned after xmas the LoI was specified as elite and GAA wasn't.

Where'd you see elite sports people don't have to quarantine?

I think you misunderstood his post.

IRFU are much more able to put pressure on government to make special dispensation and to give magic variant cover than any team in LOI. The excuse will be that it's a fluid situation and decisions change, which we all know is nonsense if the rugby one happened first.

faceman

Throwaway89 wrote: »

Wrong - please get your facts right before posting.

Roberto Lopez (Shamrock Rovers) had to spend 2wks in quarantine following international duty with cape verde. Missing 2x games for Rovers. Two appeals were lodged, and both declined.

Before you jump LoI is not an elite sport.....etc...etc...it's worth noting that when sports returned after xmas the LoI was specified as elite and GAA wasn't.

Where'd you see elite sports people don't have to quarantine?

Try and keep up

https://www.rte.ie/sport/other-sport/2021/0412/1209290-elite-athletes-may-receive-quarantine-exemption/

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/france-expected-to-receive-elite-athlete-s-exemption-to-travel-to-dublin-1.4535133?mode=amp

Red Silurian

faceman wrote: »

Try and keep up

https://www.rte.ie/sport/other-sport/2021/0412/1209290-elite-athletes-may-receive-quarantine-exemption/

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/france-expected-to-receive-elite-athlete-s-exemption-to-travel-to-dublin-1.4535133?mode=amp

"Nearing agreement" and "being in place" are 2 very different things

Corholio

Red Silurian wrote: »

"Nearing agreement" and "being in place" are 2 very different things

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1381952426895405056?s=19

mmclo

Corholio wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1381952426895405056?s=19

But people can't leave MHQ for a funeral even if vaccinated, wonder did they forget the AG again on this

Throwaway89

faceman wrote: »

Try and keep up

https://www.rte.ie/sport/other-sport/2021/0412/1209290-elite-athletes-may-receive-quarantine-exemption/

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/france-expected-to-receive-elite-athlete-s-exemption-to-travel-to-dublin-1.4535133?mode=amp

Apologies - I didn't realise the goalposts moved again.

faceman

Throwaway89 wrote: »

Apologies - I didn't realise the goalposts moved again.

No apology necessary. Sadly goalpost moving has been a long running tactic by the government.

munchkin_utd

heres a nice article on the type of people coming back in advance of the new countries being added to the quarantine list: students starting a course in Ireland, someone returning from looking after relatives abroad and what seems to be one of the 100s of thousands of non irish born working in Ireland (and unlike swathes of smart arsed irish who take leisure trips to Dubai or other sunny climes, work and pay tax) returning from a family visit to Romania.

Their reasons for travelling now is that waiting would have cost too much and they couldnt afford it.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/its-costly-we-cant-afford-it-peoplearrivingintoireland-today-to-avoid-new-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-rules-40308670.html

josip

Corholio wrote: »

I think you misunderstood his post.

IRFU are much more able to put pressure on government to make special dispensation and to give magic variant cover than any team in LOI. The excuse will be that it's a fluid situation and decisions change, which we all know is nonsense if the rugby one happened first.

Correct.
Hugo MacNeill for example would have access to TDs that the LoI/FAI could only dream about.

Feria40

munchkin_utd wrote: »

heres a nice article on the type of people coming back in advance of the new countries being added to the quarantine list: students starting a course in Ireland, someone returning from looking after relatives abroad and what seems to be one of the 100s of thousands of non irish born working in Ireland (and unlike swathes of smart arsed irish who take leisure trips to Dubai or other sunny climes, work and pay tax) returning from a family visit to Romania.

Their reasons for travelling now is that waiting would have cost too much and they couldnt afford it.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/its-costly-we-cant-afford-it-peoplearrivingintoireland-today-to-avoid-new-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-rules-40308670.html

This is the thing that really gets me. I can't recall if it's one in every four or one in every five people living in Ireland are not born here.

I am married to an EU national and there appears to be some on boards.ie that think it's perfectly fine into the medium term for us and our children not to see family abroad.

Red Silurian

munchkin_utd wrote: »

heres a nice article on the type of people coming back in advance of the new countries being added to the quarantine list: students starting a course in Ireland, someone returning from looking after relatives abroad and what seems to be one of the 100s of thousands of non irish born working in Ireland (and unlike swathes of smart arsed irish who take leisure trips to Dubai or other sunny climes, work and pay tax) returning from a family visit to Romania.

Their reasons for travelling now is that waiting would have cost too much and they couldnt afford it.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/its-costly-we-cant-afford-it-peoplearrivingintoireland-today-to-avoid-new-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-rules-40308670.html

So tourists are't coming in? Sounds to me like MHQ is doing exactly what it was intended to do

Feria40 wrote: »

This is the thing that really gets me. I can't recall if it's one in every four or one in every five people living in Ireland are not born here.

I am married to an EU national and there appears to be some on boards.ie that think it's perfectly fine into the medium term for us and our children not to see family abroad.

It's for a few months, don't be so dramatic! Plus flights are still going so there's very little stopping you and if you quarantine on your return then you won't be bringing variants back so win-win

timmyntc

Red Silurian wrote: »

So tourists are't coming in? Sounds to me like MHQ is doing exactly what it was intended to do

Tourists were never coming in.
The country is shut - there is no reason for tourists to even consider coming here.

As said before, 1/5th of our population is foreign. So these people travelling to visit family would be the vast majority of all travel to/from this country over the last year.

Feria40

Red Silurian wrote: »

So tourists are't coming in? Sounds to me like MHQ is doing exactly what it was intended to do



It's for a few months, don't be so dramatic! Plus flights are still going so there's very little stopping you and if you quarantine on your return then you won't be bringing variants back so win-win

.What tourists are coming in? Everything here has been closed! There is no more than a dribble of people coming in or out of the country that might be tourists

What changes in a few months? How am I being dramatic?

Doctor Jimbob

Red Silurian wrote: »

So tourists are't coming in? Sounds to me like MHQ is doing exactly what it was intended to do



It's for a few months, don't be so dramatic! Plus flights are still going so there's very little stopping you and if you quarantine on your return then you won't be bringing variants back so win-win

We don't know yet how long this is for. With the inevitable delays to the vaccine rollout, there's every chance this could be extended well into the summer. A week to see family plus 2 weeks MHQ would use up the majority of the statutory minimum annual leave. The cost is also very high, plenty of people on a low wage couldn't afford MHQ in addition to flights and accommodation. There's also the issue that some employers will only let you take leave at certain times of the year.

MHQ is putting those of us with family abroad in a very difficult and stressful position.

Father Hernandez

Red Silurian wrote: »

It's for a few months, don't be so dramatic! Plus flights are still going so there's very little stopping you and if you quarantine on your return then you won't be bringing variants back so win-win

My wife is non-EU and hasn't seen family since late 2019 - 18 months to be exact.

Country of origin on MHQ list with no idea how long it'll be on there for, what the reasons it was added or what it'll take for it to removed. Plus add to the fact there is a virus that could have an effect on said family.

Plenty of people in the same boat, easy for many like yourself to say don't be dramatic when we have literally no idea when we'll see them again. But shur you're grand so that's all fine.

hotmail.com

A further challenge in the High Court today. A brand new one..

Maybe we need to have a referendum on it.

Valhallapt

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

MHQ is putting those of us with family abroad in a very difficult and stressful position.

There are already 9 extra aircraft based in Belfast to work around this, Ryanair 5 new, aerlingus 4 extra, easyJet 1 extra.

No need to stress, the law is an ass, just go via Belfast

hotmail.com

Barristers making a fortune from this.

Red Silurian

Feria40 wrote: »

.What tourists are coming in? Everything here has been closed! There is no more than a dribble of people coming in or out of the country that might be tourists

What changes in a few months? How am I being dramatic?

timmyntc wrote: »

Tourists were never coming in.
The country is shut - there is no reason for tourists to even consider coming here.

As said before, 1/5th of our population is foreign. So these people travelling to visit family would be the vast majority of all travel to/from this country over the last year.

Tourism works both ways, unless you're of the opinion that all those people coming into the country in January from the canaries weren't tourists? Or all the Texans that flew over last summer were they all on business trips to the Killarney restaurants?

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

We don't know yet how long this is for. With the inevitable delays to the vaccine rollout, there's every chance this could be extended well into the summer. A week to see family plus 2 weeks MHQ would use up the majority of the statutory minimum annual leave. The cost is also very high, plenty of people on a low wage couldn't afford MHQ in addition to flights and accommodation. There's also the issue that some employers will only let you take leave at certain times of the year.

MHQ is putting those of us with family abroad in a very difficult and stressful position.

Imagine the stress passing COVID to family members would give you... Also is it your intention to go abroad and not quarantine at all on your return?

a_squirrelman

Father Hernandez wrote: »

My wife is non-EU and hasn't seen family since late 2019 - 18 months to be exact.

Country of origin on MHQ list with no idea how long it'll be on there for, what the reasons it was added or what it'll take for it to removed. Plus add to the fact there is a virus that could have an effect on said family.

Plenty of people in the same boat, easy for many like yourself to say don't be dramatic when we have literally no idea when we'll see them again. But shur you're grand so that's all fine.

Similar here, last home to Ireland in October 2019. Flights booked for next month so really hoping they don't extend this MHQ across all the EU countries.

Doctor Jimbob

Red Silurian wrote: »

Imagine the stress passing COVID to family members would give you... Also is it your intention to go abroad and not quarantine at all on your return?

I've been taking every precaution necessary to avoid spreading covid to my family. I haven't seen my parents (who live in Ireland) since last year. My intention is to travel to visit my wife's family once we're both fully vaccinated. We're also planning to get tested when we travel. Why is this not sufficient to at least reduce quarantine time?

There seems to be an assumption throughout this forum that anyone who has any issue with the restrictions is a reckless covid denier - that just isn't true.

Danno

Feria40 wrote: »

This is the thing that really gets me. I can't recall if it's one in every four or one in every five people living in Ireland are not born here.

I am married to an EU national and there appears to be some on boards.ie that think it's perfectly fine into the medium term for us and our children not to see family abroad.

I've family living outside my 5km that I've not seen in many months. Does it matter whether your family is 20km or 2000km away - by seeing them you're breaking the restrictions.

timmyntc

Danno wrote: »

I've family living outside my 5km that I've not seen in many months. Does it matter whether your family is 20km or 2000km away - by seeing them you're breaking the restrictions.

Mustn't miss them that much if you wouldn't go 6km to go and visit them!

Danno

Red Silurian wrote: »

I would expect the Universities to have made an exemption to the Erasmus requirement during the pandemic

I would expect Uni's to pay for the MHQ on behalf of the student. To be fair, universities are awash with cash, it's just they waste it on massive wages for some dubious "lecturers" that somehow manage to setup nest within.

hotmail.com

Danno wrote: »

I've family living outside my 5km that I've not seen in many months. Does it matter whether your family is 20km or 2000km away - by seeing them you're breaking the restrictions.

Maybe you want to comply with the restrictions but others don't wish to.

You have to respect their wishes. We don't live in a dictatorship.

Danno

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

My intention is to travel to visit my wife's family once we're both fully vaccinated.

As someone who supports MHQ, there should be no restrictions whatsoever on fully vaccinated folk travelling.

Any country with an Irish embassy should be able to "verify" the local fully vaccinated cert and issue a permit to travel back to Ireland for folk intending on returning/traveling here. Again, these well paid embassy staff should be at the forefront of implementing this, God knows they've had an easy ride the last year.

Red Silurian

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I've been taking every precaution necessary to avoid spreading covid to my family. I haven't seen my parents (who live in Ireland) since last year. My intention is to travel to visit my wife's family once we're both fully vaccinated. We're also planning to get tested when we travel. Why is this not sufficient to at least reduce quarantine time?

There seems to be an assumption throughout this forum that anyone who has any issue with the restrictions is a reckless covid denier - that just isn't true.

Your earlier statement

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

A week to see family plus 2 weeks MHQ would use up the majority of the statutory minimum annual leave

Would suggest you were intending to go into work without quarantining on your return which would be reckless

Danno wrote: »

I would expect Uni's to pay for the MHQ on behalf of the student. To be fair, universities are awash with cash, it's just they waste it on massive wages for some dubious "lecturers" that somehow manage to setup nest within.

I'm not very familiar with the Erasmus program but I was of the impression that it's an EU idea administered at govt level and so the Universities hands were essentially tied by the state on that matter, hence my thinking that the state should pay for their MHQ

Red Silurian

Danno wrote: »

As someone who supports MHQ, there should be no restrictions whatsoever on fully vaccinated folk travelling.

Any country with an Irish embassy should be able to "verify" the local fully vaccinated cert and issue a permit to travel back to Ireland for folk intending on returning/traveling here. Again, these well paid embassy staff should be at the forefront of implementing this, God knows they've had an easy ride the last year.

I agree with you but how easy is it to get these certs forged? Happened a lot last year that false negative PCR certs were sold, these vaccine certs could go down the same way

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/01/scammers-are-selling-fake-negative-covid-test-certificates-europol-warns