Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Danno

hotmail.com wrote: »

Maybe you want to comply with the restrictions but others don't wish to.

You have to respect their wishes. We don't live in a dictatorship.

In that case, repeal all laws and let's have a free for all where the fittest will survive?

Valhallapt

Danno wrote: »

In that case, repeal all laws and let's have a free for all where the fittest will survive?

MHQ is repugnant to the constitution. Government know this, hence they won’t allow any challenges go before a judge as MHQ may well be struck down.

Doctor Jimbob

Red Silurian wrote: »

Your earlier statement



Would suggest you were intending to go into work without quarantining on your return which would be reckless

Do you agree with two week quarantine for vaccinated and tested people? If so, why? If not, what is the issue with what I said?

I work from home BTW - the earlier post was just an example of how difficult of a situation some people are in.

Danno

Danno wrote: »

As someone who supports MHQ, there should be no restrictions whatsoever on fully vaccinated folk travelling.

Any country with an Irish embassy should be able to "verify" the local fully vaccinated cert and issue a permit to travel back to Ireland for folk intending on returning/traveling here. Again, these well paid embassy staff should be at the forefront of implementing this, God knows they've had an easy ride the last year.

Indeed. I will be vaccinated with 2nd dose on 1 July and am then going the USA for a wedding.

If MHQ is still in place when I return in August, and there is no exemption for vaccinated people, I will bypass it. It would be a nonsense. Will go through the UK, Belfast if necessary. I think that many vaccinated people will do the same thing - the sensible thing.

It will probably not happen anyway - I really don't think that the government will be able to maintain MHQ for vaccinated people

Danno

Red Silurian wrote: »

I agree with you but how easy is it to get these certs forged? Happened a lot last year that false negative PCR certs were sold, these vaccine certs could go down the same way

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/01/scammers-are-selling-fake-negative-covid-test-certificates-europol-warns

Surely some digital system could stamp that shyte out?

As for the scammers - there ought to be a special jail term for that.

Feria40

Danno wrote: »

As someone who supports MHQ, there should be no restrictions whatsoever on fully vaccinated folk travelling.

Any country with an Irish embassy should be able to "verify" the local fully vaccinated cert and issue a permit to travel back to Ireland for folk intending on returning/traveling here. Again, these well paid embassy staff should be at the forefront of implementing this, God knows they've had an easy ride the last year.

But one of the reasons put forward for MHQ and the selection or not of countries for MHQ is the prevalence of variants of one type or another and the uncertainty as these may or may not evade the vaccines..

Father Hernandez

Danno wrote: »

I've family living outside my 5km that I've not seen in many months. Does it matter whether your family is 20km or 2000km away - by seeing them you're breaking the restrictions.

Nonsense, of course it does does.

Family member gets seriously ill, 20km away. Grand hop in the car and go look after who needs looking after.

Family member gets seriously ill, 2000km away. Book flights, travel to country which will require stop off or lots of traveling time. Time off work. Depending on country, require 2 weeks detention plus €1,800, potential issues with work in MHQ.

Even if restrictions lift domestically, it's a nonsense argument.

zebastein

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Nonsense, of course it does does.

Family member gets seriously ill, 20km away. Grand hop in the car and go look after who needs looking after.

Family member gets seriously ill, 2000km away. Book flights, travel to country which will require stop off or lots of traveling time. Time off work. Depending on country, require 2 weeks detention plus €1,800, potential issues with work in MHQ.

Even if restrictions lift domestically, it's a nonsense argument.

Add the 24h /48h delay to do a PCR test and get the result before flying, a PCR before arrival, and either a PCR test 5days later, or if in MHQ one after arrival and one after 10days

josip

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I've been taking every precaution necessary to avoid spreading covid to my family. I haven't seen my parents (who live in Ireland) since last year. My intention is to travel to visit my wife's family once we're both fully vaccinated. We're also planning to get tested when we travel. Why is this not sufficient to at least reduce quarantine time?

There seems to be an assumption throughout this forum that anyone who has any issue with the restrictions is a reckless covid denier - that just isn't true.

I think there's something about 'variants coming in from abroad' that triggers a 'keep foreign things and people out' defense/coping mechanism in some people.
Even if it's Irish people bringing back the variant, there is still the irrational fear of 'abroad'.

Red Silurian

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Do you agree with two week quarantine for vaccinated and tested people? If so, why? If not, what is the issue with what I said?

I work from home BTW - the earlier post was just an example of how difficult of a situation some people are in.

Depends on the vaccine... If it's a vaccine that stops you spreading the virus then yes 100%

But as of yet there is no vaccine that has been proven to do this, studies are ongoing and some are showing promising results but as of yet nothing concrete

is_that_so

Whatever issues people may have with Harris we have missed his plain talking.

The Minister for Further and Higher Education has said it is his "firm view" that anyone who has been vaccinated against Covid-19 and has a negative PCR test result should not go into quarantine.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0413/1209539-coronavirus-politics/

faceman

Danno wrote: »

In that case, repeal all laws and let's have a free for all where the fittest will survive?

You’ll find that anyone who followed the covid laws in Ireland to the letter is in the
minority.

M_Murphy57

Red Silurian wrote: »

Depends on the vaccine... If it's a vaccine that stops you spreading the virus then yes 100%

But as of yet there is no vaccine that has been proven to do this, studies are ongoing and some are showing promising results but as of yet nothing concrete

Exactly right.

Same way that even though I'm vaccinated against polio and rubella, I still assume at all times that I might still have those diseases. All of my interactions with other humans are therefore (cautiously and sensibly) based first and foremost on the assumption that my presence may cause them to get polio or rubella - just because you're vaccinated doesnt mean you cant still be killing people by spreading disease every single day, you know.

I guess it's possible the people I'm interacting with might also have had vaccines against polio and rubella but there is also the chance that they might have falsified their vaccine carts or be lying. It's happened before.

Best to be cautious. You never know. Ever. No matter how much data there is.

namloc1980

is_that_so wrote: »

Whatever issues people may have with Harris we have missed his plain talking.



https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0413/1209539-coronavirus-politics/

Harris is about a billion times better than that dreadful spoofer Donnelly.

faceman

Danno wrote: »

As someone who supports MHQ, there should be no restrictions whatsoever on fully vaccinated folk travelling.

Just picking up on this, and this isn’t a negative comment to your point, we are likely going to see vaccine snobbery as rollout increases and vaccine passports becoming the norm.

Once J&J rolls out, it’s a 1 shot vaccine. But if you’re unlucky to be dished the AZ vaccine there is a 16 week delay between shots. So it’s 4+ months before you are fully vaccinated.

It’s not something being flagged in media as much yet but i expect it will soon

Red Silurian

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Exactly right.

Same way that even though I'm vaccinated against polio and rubella, I still assume at all times that I might still have those diseases. All of my interactions with other humans are therefore (cautiously and sensibly) based first and foremost on the assumption that my presence may cause them to get polio or rubella - just because you're vaccinated doesnt mean you cant still be killing people by spreading disease every single day, you know.

I guess it's possible the people I'm interacting with might also have had vaccines against polio and rubella but there is also the chance that they might have falsified their vaccine carts or be lying. It's happened before.

Best to be cautious. You never know. Ever. No matter how much data there is.

In fairness your chances of being near somebody without a polio or rubella vaccine are slim-to-none. Even if you do find one their chances of being near somebody not vaccinated for these diseases is also slim... The same logic does not apply to COVID-19 and it's part of the reason the CDC suggest that only 2 fully vaccinated people can meet together indoors without social distancing or masks

NSAman

faceman wrote: »

Just picking up on this, and this isn’t a negative comment to your point, we are likely going to see vaccine snobbery as rollout increases and vaccine passports becoming the norm.

Once J&J rolls out, it’s a 1 shot vaccine. But if you’re unlucky to be dished the AZ vaccine there is a 16 week delay between shots. So it’s 4+ months before you are fully vaccinated.

It’s not something being flagged in media as much yet but i expect it will soon

Will J&J rollout though?

It has been put on hold in many states here as there are blood clotting issues with it also.

Having just had the J&J it is something that worries me personally. 2 weeks after the vaccine things are showing up.

Red Silurian

faceman wrote: »

Just picking up on this, and this isn’t a negative comment to your point, we are likely going to see vaccine snobbery as rollout increases and vaccine passports becoming the norm.

Once J&J rolls out, it’s a 1 shot vaccine. But if you’re unlucky to be dished the AZ vaccine there is a 16 week delay between shots. So it’s 4+ months before you are fully vaccinated.

It’s not something being flagged in media as much yet but i expect it will soon

Just to elaborate on this, it's a 12 week between the 2 doses for AZ but your point is still a good one... There is also a 2 week wait for Moderna and Biontech after the second dose before full protection is given.. I presume there is similar for AZ and J&J but can't confirm

Corholio

namloc1980 wrote: »

Harris is about a billion times better than that dreadful spoofer Donnelly.

In quotes maybe, but he's in government too and should be effecting it from there. Donnelly has a fair bit to go to be as disastrous as Harris was. He just knows quotes placates some people, the same way Leo has recently been held up as some sort of good un again just because he's not Micheal Martin. For all the talk of NPHET on these threads, these politicians are the people that should get the venom.

The likes of Leo and Harris laughing at the people who are calling them up from the back of the room to save us.

namloc1980

Corholio wrote: »

In quotes maybe, but he's in government too and should be effecting it from there. Donnelly has a fair bit to go to be as disastrous as Harris was. He just knows quotes placates some people, the same way Leo has recently been held up as some sort of good un again just because he's not Micheal Martin. For all the talk of NPHET on these threads, these politicians are the people that should get the venom.

The likes of Leo and Harris laughing at the people who are calling them up from the back of the room to save us.

Think he has done his fair share. Remember his trampolines nonsense or him walking around Dublin airport surrounded by the army making us look like some banana republic or getting annoyed that he doesn't get enough mentions on social media. Donnelly is a walking disaster zone.

Father Hernandez

namloc1980 wrote: »

Harris is about a billion times better than that dreadful spoofer Donnelly.

Is he though? They're as bad as each other.

Like how did we get to be so unlucky that during a major crisis, probably the biggest since the Republic was formed, we'd have some of the worst ministers 'leading' the country with a coalition government that is also seen as the worst we've ever had.

Our last Minister for Health (Harris) brought the last government down and our current Minister is getting reports analysed into Twitter mentions about his name.

John Cleese couldn't even have written half the shít that's happened at a gov/hse level in the last 12 months.

Corholio

namloc1980 wrote: »

Think he has done his fair share. Remember his trampolines nonsense or him walking around Dublin airport surrounded by the army making us look like some banana republic or getting annoyed that he doesn't get enough mentions on social media. Donnelly is a walking disaster zone.

Oh, I'm absolutely no fan of Donnelly at all, way out of his depth totally. But the likes of Harris, who was quite the media whore himself, was a level of terrible long before a pandemic.

Chris_5339762

is_that_so wrote: »

Whatever issues people may have with Harris we have missed his plain talking.



https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0413/1209539-coronavirus-politics/

I absolutely hated Harris back in the day but I have to say he did a good, leading job when this COVID thing started. Now I really miss his straight talking.

saabsaab

josip wrote: »

I think there's something about 'variants coming in from abroad' that triggers a 'keep foreign things and people out' defense/coping mechanism in some people.
Even if it's Irish people bringing back the variant, there is still the irrational fear of 'abroad'.

This gets brought up a lot by those against restrictions on travel. In the current circumstances the fear is rational weather the traveler is Irish or not.

Doctor Jimbob

Red Silurian wrote: »

Depends on the vaccine... If it's a vaccine that stops you spreading the virus then yes 100%

But as of yet there is no vaccine that has been proven to do this, studies are ongoing and some are showing promising results but as of yet nothing concrete

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I also mentioned testing, which you appear to have ignored.

josip

saabsaab wrote: »

This gets brought up a lot by those against restrictions on travel. In the current circumstances the fear is rational weather the traveler is Irish or not.

Saabsaab, have you been outside Ireland (much) ?
Please feel free to not answer since it has little relevance to the topic, more my curiosity.

saabsaab

josip wrote: »

Saabsaab, have you been outside Ireland (much) ?
Please feel free to not answer since it has little relevance to the topic, more my curiosity.

Yes, I have but not in the last year.

Time Magazine

Time Magazine wrote: »

The reaction of some of the more “conservative”

Speaking as a small c conservative, my side are more against the restrictions than for them. I see the Left as the main supporters of these Stasi-like, Big State, anti-individual, collectivist restrictions.

Tyrone212

namloc1980 wrote: »

Harris is about a billion times better than that dreadful spoofer Donnelly.

Both are shocking. I still can't get over what Harris said last summer. We have to remember we had 18 covids before this one and we have yet to make a vaccine for any of them. Minister for health saying that over 6 months in to the discovery of covid 19. I think people forget how much out of his depth he was. He's an embarrassing joke who should never have gotten that job. Didn't do him any harm though, he's minister for Education now. Not bad for a college drop out.

hotmail.com

No room at the Inn.

Internment hotels booked out this weekend. I get the impression the state will be allowing a lot of people to avoid the internment because they've no rooms left.