Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

It is stunning just how much disinformation is being propagated by some posters contributing to this thread.

zebastein

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Yep, thats the exact same as what you have claimed.

The UK being allowed to continue to ban the French and the French being allowed ban the UK in return is absolutely what you are claming and not one iota, proving my claim that countries can ban others if they want without the EU taking them to court.

You cannot be serious with this can you? Your post literally proves my point

Yeah well I just quoted you to add on the same subject, I have never said that I wanted to prove the contrary of your point, did I?
I agree, the EU commission is not what Ireland has to be afraid of. They have to be afraid of "retaliation" actions from the other EU countries, based on the feedback of the EU commission.

saabsaab

Valhallapt wrote: »

MHQ quarantine was and is the wrong policy.

Jailing children because they had been in a foreign country is never right.

Nobody is being jailed. It is because they may be carriers of a disease that can kill. Simple really.

UDAWINNER

https://twitter.com/ClareOC_/status/1382972908033687554

I wonder do people get as worked up when it comes to the homeless. MHQ is necessary to stop these feckin variants and I personally do not trust the majority to stay in their own homes.

josip

saabsaab wrote: »

MHQ quarantine was and is the right policy. What we had before was non observed 'voluntary' quarantine which didn't happen in most cases. On top of that it acts as a deterrent to those coming in.

..or trying to come home.

saabsaab

OwenM wrote: »

So when someone in the community catches it, off to a hotel with them? A Spanish trawler ties up in Berehaven, do the crew have to be bussed off to a hotel? The trucks arriving on ferries, keep the drivers on the ferry, sterilise the cab, find 'another' driver and off goes the truck? I haven't started on the NI/IRE border....

Airport quarantine is a delaying tactic and nothing more, promoted by zerocovid nutjobs because they see it as the next step in their plan to save the world. If a new even more infectious variant arises it will likely become the dominant one and the only way to stop it is a true zerocovid approach which is not going to work here and even if it did the likes of Killeen have admitted it would be needed until 2nd gen vaccines which are only in stage 1 trials - possibly for years away.....

We have a good shot at stopping Covid this year by vaccines roll out. Travel especially airtravel is counter to this effort. Many experts have said so.

zebastein

OwenM wrote: »

Airport quarantine is a delaying tactic and nothing more, promoted by zerocovid nutjobs

Interestingly, the same zerocovid nutjobs do not make any proposal on how to stop the spread of the virus in Offaly. Offaly is double the rate compared to the national average, but people know too well that reducing this rate means controling the people that have the covid in the community and have spread it for 2months now. Easier to take measures that impact only people from abroad that you don't know.


We have been told that we cannot blame the people who get covid, because otherwise people would not be willing to be tested or would lie saying that they don't have covid and would go to their workplace. We can take any action on people with a negative pcr test coming from a country with 2.5x our avg rate, but we can't take any action on people with covid in counties with 2x our avg rate. Let's ask ourselves what is delaying the end of the lockdown.

fly_agaric

Valhallapt wrote: »

I think everyone agrees we need to stop variants coming in and reseeding COVID. But MHQ is a bad approach. A grown up thoughtful approach which deals with all the facts needs to be had.

How though and what is that alternative approach?

I don't know if we can actually stop "variants" coming in (given our link to UK via NI + assuming they don't quarantine travellers), likely we can only slow such things down.

Certainly contact tracing and enforcing Covid tests and isolation/quarantine for those who test positive seems impossible too after 1 year, either due to lack of resources or the fact that such things are probably also illegal/unconstitutional [if you declare MHQ is].

caveat emptor

Deleted User wrote: »

Massive difference between what you are suggesting and what they allow.
They allow people in if they are meant to be in Germany. Ireland makes it difficult for people to enter Ireland even if they are meant to be in Ireland.
People meant to be in Germany are just expected to quarantine at home.

Valhallapt wrote: »

You are gas lighting, that article says

In principle, entry is possible from:

EU member states
states associated with Schengen: Iceland, Norway, Switzerland and Liechtenstein
Other countries, from which entry is possible due to the epidemiological situation assessment by the EU.

Hold on there lads. ......And don't shoot the messenger. Accusing me of gaslighting is grand is it? If you don't agree with Germany not allowing people from Ireland in then take it up with the German Ambassador..

A travel ban has been imposed on countries with widespread occurrence of SARS-CoV-2 virus variants of concern (referred to as “areas of variant of concern”). Transport companies, e.g. air carriers and railway companies, may not transport any persons from these countries to Germany. There are only a few, strictly defined exceptions to this travel ban, namely for:

Follow the link and use google translate before you start piling on. You are wrong.

https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Risikogebiete_neu.html

Also we've gone from "freedom of movement" to "meant to be in that country"

What does that even mean?

New since the last change:
1. New virus variant areas - areas with a particularly high risk of infection due to the widespread occurrence of certain SARS-CoV-2 virus variants:
No new virus variant areas since the last change (see current list below)
2. New high incidence areas - areas with a particularly high risk of infection due to particularly high incidences for the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus:
Argentina is now considered a high incidence area
3. New risk areas - areas with increased SARS-CoV-2 infection risk:
Portugal - the autonomous region of Azores and the Algarve region are now also considered risk areas.
Spain - the autonomous community of Castile-La Mancha is now also a risk area.
The United Arab Emirates is now a risk area (previously a high incidence area).
4.Areas that are no longer considered risk areas:
Barbados is no longer a risk area.
Finland - the Pirkanmaa region is no longer considered a risk area.
Ireland - the Mid-West and South-East regions are no longer considered risk areas.
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, including the Isle of Man, all Channel Islands and the British Overseas Territories (with the exception of Bermuda, British Virgin Islands and the Falkland Islands) is no longer a risk area.

caveat emptor

Deleted User wrote: »

It is stunning just how much disinformation is being propagated by some posters contributing to this thread.

I think it's called misinformation. If you are talking about me please do follow the links and read before starting a pile on.

hotmail.com

It's clear now that Ireland is moving away from the European Union.

The far right having a real impact on our culture.

munchkin_utd

indeed, in Germany the restrictions were not as severe as in Ireland, were proportionate to the specific threat (IRL has incidence of 1000+ and variants), they had exceptions for family work reasons, they were temporary and were relaxed over time and now are gone completely for entry from most of Ireland and all of the UK incl NI

Thats the opposite of How NPHET operate, which is not to be transparant, not to look at measures as being temporary and at the moment even a high court case wont get you out of hotel quarantine with your aul lad on his death bed so very disproportionate and no functioning system of exemptions

saabsaab

fly_agaric wrote: »

How though and what is that alternative approach?

I don't know if we can actually stop "variants" coming in (given our link to UK via NI + assuming they don't quarantine travellers), likely we can only slow such things down.

Certainly contact tracing and enforcing Covid tests and isolation/quarantine for those who test positive seems impossible too after 1 year, either due to lack of resources or the fact that such things are probably also illegal/unconstitutional [if you declare MHQ is].

Volumes are important the more people coming in the harder to test, re-test, track and trace. Reduce the volumes coming in especially air traffic.

muddypuppy

Valhallapt wrote: »

You are gas lighting, that article says

In principle, entry is possible from:

EU member states
states associated with Schengen: Iceland, Norway, Switzerland and Liechtenstein
Other countries, from which entry is possible due to the epidemiological situation assessment by the EU.

The german documentation is a bit of a mess tbh, especially if you don't speak german. They keep moving you to different sites without a clear list of can I / can't I.

But as you said, yes, people from Ireland can travel to Germany at the moment. If you're coming from the south-west, south-east or mid-west of Ireland you just need a negative test prior to the flight. If you're coming from other regions you need negative test prior the flight, 10 days quarantine at home, and you need to take another test within 2 days of landing.

Also in his defense Ireland was a "virus variant area" from January 13, 2021 to March 20, 2021, with the carrier restrictions in place (but it didn't affect German citizens).

The up to date list is here in German, or just start filling this form (in English) to see what the current restrictions are

saabsaab

josip wrote: »

..or trying to come home.

Not relevant. They may still have a new variant.

muddypuppy

muddypuppy wrote: »

The german documentation is a bit of a mess tbh, especially if you don't speak german. They keep moving you to different sites without a clear list of can I / can't I.

But as you said, yes, people from Ireland can travel to Germany at the moment. If you're coming from the south-west, south-east or mid-west of Ireland you just need a negative test prior to the flight. If you're coming from other regions you need negative test prior the flight, 10 days quarantine at home, and you need to take another test within 2 days of landing.

Also in his defense Ireland was a "virus variant area" from January 13, 2021 to March 20, 2021, with the carrier restrictions in place (but it didn't affect German citizens).

The up to date list is here in German, or just start filling this form (in English) to see what the current restrictions are

Negative antigen test, not PCR test. quarantine at home. They are bending over backwards to respect people's freedoms.

Valhallapt

caveat emptor wrote: »

I think it's called misinformation. If you are talking about me please do follow the links and read before starting a pile on.

Yes read the links he’s spouting pure lies

seamus

The baby one is hilarious.

After the tenth knock on the door from someone trying to get a look at the new baby, they'll have wished they stayed in quarantine.

Interestingly, the same zerocovid nutjobs do not make any proposal on how to stop the spread of the virus in Offaly.

They do, to be fair. It's a completely unworkable solution that involves Garda checkpoints at every road in and out of Offaly, but they do have a proposal.

caveat emptor

munchkin_utd wrote: »

indeed, in Germany the restrictions were not as severe as in Ireland, were proportionate to the specific threat (IRL has incidence of 1000+ and variants), they had exceptions for family work reasons, they were temporary and were relaxed over time and now are gone completely for entry from most of Ireland and all of the UK incl NI

Thats the opposite of How NPHET operate, which is not to be transparant, not to look at measures as being temporary and at the moment even a high court case wont get you out of hotel quarantine with your aul lad on his death bed so very disproportionate and no functioning system of exemptions

But they are not gone and have been extended. The vast majority of people who live in Ireland are legally not allowed to enter Germany. Further more airlines are breaking the law there if the transport them.

Why the misinformation?

caveat emptor

Valhallapt wrote: »

Yes read the links he’s spouting pure lies

I don't think you understand.

The Robert Koch Institute (RKI) is a German federal government agency and research institute responsible for disease control and prevention.

They publish the latest information regarding covid in Germany.

I assure you it's real.

Information on the designation of international risk areas by the Federal Foreign Office, BMG and BMI
Status: April 16, 2021, 12:30 p.m.

caveat emptor

caveat emptor wrote: »

But they are not gone and have been extended. The vast majority of people who live in Ireland are legally not allowed to enter Germany. Further more airlines are breaking the law there if the transport them.

Why the misinformation?

What? They are allowed enter and enter quarantine.

Corholio

caveat emptor wrote: »

The average age of the trial participant was young so now hospitalisation or death was observed in either arm. Not enough data yet either way.

You were saying this earlier.......

"The South African one has been shown to evade immunity through infection or vaccine. So much so that they gave away their Astra allocation"

Now it's 'not enough data yet either way'?

Is it any wonder these threads are a mess when inaccurate, flip flop nonsense like this is posted, and yet you accused someone earlier of misinformation.

saabsaab

Corholio wrote: »

You were saying this earlier.......

"The South African one has been shown to evade immunity through infection or vaccine. So much so that they gave away their Astra allocation"

Now it's 'not enough data yet either way'?

Is it any wonder these threads are a mess when inaccurate, flip flop nonsense like this is posted. And you accused someone earlier of misinformation?

Have they given it away? Yes?

Caveat Emptor should be treated in the spirit of his Username. Trust absolutely nothing he says when deliberating on a topic.

Here is the guidance for entering Germany current as of three and a half hours ago:
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Transport/Archiv_Risikogebiete/Risikogebiete_aktuell_en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

Corholio

saabsaab wrote: »

Have they given it away? Yes?

Why do all the 'thank' buddies ride in to each others rescue?

It hasn't been shown or proved, or anywhere even near to evade immunity through infection or the vaccine.

caveat emptor

Corholio wrote: »

You were saying this earlier.......'

"The South African one has been shown to evade immunity through infection or vaccine. So much so that they gave away their Astra allocation"

Now it's 'not enough data yet either way'?

Is it any wonder these threads are a mess when inaccurate, flip flop nonsense like this is posted.

Really? People really need to do some research before calling people liars and gaslights.

Rueters:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-safrica-vaccine-idUSKBN2BD0K4

MARCH 21, 20217:14 PMUPDATED A MONTH AGO
South Africa sells AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines to other African countries

JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - South Africa has concluded the sale of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines it had acquired but did not use to other African Union (AU) member states, the health ministry said on Sunday.

The country had paused AstraZeneca vaccinations last month because of a small trial showing the shot offered minimal protection against mild to moderate illness caused by the dominant local coronavirus variant.[/QUOTE]

BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55999678

South Africa in shock after AstraZeneca vaccine rollout halted

South Africa's decision to halt its rollout of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine after a study showed "disappointing" results against its new Covid-19 variant may have left the nation in shock, but it also shows how scientists are at the forefront of the battle against coronavirus.
One and half million doses of the jab had been bought for healthcare workers and they were due to start getting their vaccinations this week

In this case, the most recent phase of the study on the AstraZeneca vaccine was carried out on 2,000 people whose average age was 31.
Recent data from the trial shows it was not effective against mild and moderate symptoms of the more contagious South African variant, also known as 501.V2 or B.1.351.
This is a stumbling block as 90% of new infections in South Africa are of the new variant.

a_squirrelman

hotmail.com wrote: »

It's clear now that Ireland is moving away from the European Union.

The far right having a real impact on our culture.

What's more shocking is that the left are totally on board with it.

saabsaab

caveat emptor wrote: »

Really? People really need to do some research before calling people liars and gaslights.

Rueters:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-safrica-vaccine-idUSKBN2BD0K4


JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - South Africa has concluded the sale of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines it had acquired but did not use to other African Union (AU) member states, the health ministry said on Sunday.

The country had paused AstraZeneca vaccinations last month because of a small trial showing the shot offered minimal protection against mild to moderate illness caused by the dominant local coronavirus variant.

BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55999678[/QUOTE]


Some here don't like inconvenient facts getting in the way of their arguments.

Corholio

caveat emptor wrote: »

Really? People really need to do some research before calling people liars and gaslights.

Rueters:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-safrica-vaccine-idUSKBN2BD0K4


JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - South Africa has concluded the sale of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines it had acquired but did not use to other African Union (AU) member states, the health ministry said on Sunday.

The country had paused AstraZeneca vaccinations last month because of a small trial showing the shot offered minimal protection against mild to moderate illness caused by the dominant local coronavirus variant.

You're completely missing the point. If we all put up 'small studies' as finality of the absolute efficacy of vaccines, there would have been thousands of them on here. You yourself were definitive in one post and then said there's not enough data yet either way.

It's utterly reckless posting when so much is still ongoing.

caveat emptor

Deleted User wrote: »

Caveat Emptor should be treated in the spirit of his Username. Trust absolutely nothing he says when deliberating on a topic.

Here is the guidance for entering Germany current as of three and a half hours ago:
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Transport/Archiv_Risikogebiete/Risikogebiete_aktuell_en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

So only Mid-West and South-East are not considered high risk.


Ireland – the regions Mid-West and South-East are no longer considered as risk areas.

https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/ReiseUndSicherheit/irlandsicherheit/211460

Epidemiological situation

Ireland continues to be affected by COVID-19. The number of new infections in the several parts of the country is more than 50 cases per 100,000 inhabitants over seven days, which is why Ireland, with the exception of the South-West region, will also be a risk area from April 18, 2021 with the exception of the Mid-West and South-East regions

Thanks Mudpuppy for clarifying.