Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Valhallapt

saabsaab wrote: »

Stop putting words in my mouth. We can't trust people to do what's needed. Human nature I guess. There is even a (very small) element that goes outof their way to breach any regulation or measure.

So do we draw the line at MHQ?

faceman

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Given our geographic location we are not New Zealand. But that said, in what way does reducing Covid prevent screening for other serious life threatening conditions such as cancer and heart disease? On the contrary, by ensuring that that hospitals are not bunged with Covid patients it ensures that these activities can continue.

Irish hospitals weren’t under pressure for most of last year and were under pressure for only a fraction of this year yet....

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cancer-services-will-not-fully-resume-until-year-end-under-hse-s-pandemic-plan-1.4517265

saabsaab

Valhallapt wrote: »

So do we draw the line at MHQ?

IN spite of the issues it is the easiest place to draw it. I would go further but we don't have the resources to do so.

Valhallapt

saabsaab wrote: »

IN spite of the issues it is the easiest place to draw it. I would go further but we don't have the resources to do so.

Indulge me, what else would you do?

saabsaab

Valhallapt wrote: »

Indulge me, what else would you do?

Anyone who has tested positive for covid found visiting anywhere outside their home would get a large fine. Say 1,000 euro or if you prefer a % of your income.


Where there are clusters in an area surround it with checkpoints and only allow essential traffic, use the army if necessary.

Corholio

saabsaab wrote: »

Anyone who has tested positive for covid found visiting anywhere outside their home would get a large fine. Say 1,000 euro or if you prefer a % of your income.


Where there are clusters in an area surround it with checkpoints and only allow essential traffic, use the army if necessary.

But surely if they have tested positive they shouldn't need to be 'found' visiting, they should already be taken and quarantined?

saabsaab

Corholio wrote: »

But surely if they have tested positive they shouldn't need to be 'found' visiting, they should already be taken and quarantined?

Like I said resources..

Corholio

saabsaab wrote: »

Like I said resources..

Variants don't care about resources though.

saabsaab

Corholio wrote: »

Variants don't care about resources though.

Indeed they don't.

Corholio

saabsaab wrote: »

Indeed they don't.

People here who could have/has a 'variant' can walk around v a person who can test negative, have nothing and be forcefully quarantined. We are clearly not doing all we can to get these variants then.

NSAman

saabsaab wrote: »

Indeed they don't.

Saab just a question, when and if you get the vaccine, will you still be hiding away until the Covid pandemic has officially been declared finished?

I ask this not as an insult, but ask you how long you intend to have fear and stop living ?

Personally, there is a risk in every part of life, but it does not stop me trying to get back to normal, with obvious sanitation and hygiene protocols in place.

I have to, I have people to earn a living for, I have family in europe and the states I have to maintain, for me to shut down would mean all of that is at risk. I know many people have already lost everything due to this. It is something that I cannot allow to happen to those that depend on me facing issues and steering a clear path to keep them housed, fed and have a future.

If we live in fear, no one wins, if we shut down everything, everyone looses.

There has to be balance in everything that we do, to protect those that are vulnerable (which is happening) and to allow those people who need to work...to work.

maestroamado

I think we are the only Country in EU who are asking for MHQ for EU citizens.
Given the fact we have about 1% of EU population.
Are we making fools of ourselves...

beggars_bush

maestroamado wrote: »

I think we are the only Country in EU who are asking for MHQ for EU citizens.
Given the fact we have about 1% of EU population.
Are we making fools of ourselves...

No.
Large numbers of Brazilians and South Africans travelling in and out of the country usually

expectationlost

https://twitter.com/Orlaodo/status/1383457314921799687 full report https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0417/1210451-court-quarantine/

faceman

expectationlost wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Orlaodo/status/1383457314921799687 full report https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0417/1210451-court-quarantine/

“Lawfully detained”

As I said when it rolled out, they’re detention centres

NSAman

NSAman wrote: »

Saab just a question, when and if you get the vaccine, will you still be hiding away until the Covid pandemic has officially been declared finished?

I ask this not as an insult, but ask you how long you intend to have fear and stop living ?

Personally, there is a risk in every part of life, but it does not stop me trying to get back to normal, with obvious sanitation and hygiene protocols in place.

I have to, I have people to earn a living for, I have family in europe and the states I have to maintain, for me to shut down would mean all of that is at risk. I know many people have already lost everything due to this. It is something that I cannot allow to happen to those that depend on me facing issues and steering a clear path to keep them housed, fed and have a future.

If we live in fear, no one wins, if we shut down everything, everyone looses.

There has to be balance in everything that we do, to protect those that are vulnerable (which is happening) and to allow those people who need to work...to work.

Good column in the indo this morning about how so many of the Irish live in fear.

It beggars belief to me what is being put in place. Luckily by June myself and my entire family will be fully vaccinated (being able to avail of the UK and the US programmes), so fully intend to be in and out of Ireland, and making use of the EU passport.

I feel truly sorry for those with family and essential business in the US and across the EU who are going to get caught up in this seemingly for most of the rest of year

maestroamado

beggars_bush wrote: »

No.
Large numbers of Brazilians and South Africans travelling in and out of the country usually

My comment only concerned with EU..
So we are members there has to be rules but no quarantine.
Otherwise we better review where we at.
We members of EU and allow non EU (UK) to travel freely.
We did same for US troops in Shannon a few weeks ago.
What do we think we are at....

The rest of the world separate agenda for me...

caveat emptor

Deleted User wrote: »

Good column in the indo this morning about how so many of the Irish live in fear.

It beggars belief to me what is being put in place. Luckily by June myself and my entire family will be fully vaccinated (being able to avail of the UK and the US programmes), so fully intend to be in and out of Ireland, and making use of the EU passport.

I feel truly sorry for those with family and essential business in the US and across the EU who are going to get caught up in this seemingly for most of the rest of year

Best to live in hope. Hope that by taking strong measures now we don't have to close schools and hospitals like we did previously.

Much more costly in terms of lots of measures.

Charles Babbage

faceman wrote: »

Irish hospitals weren’t under pressure for most of last year and were under pressure for only a fraction of this year yet....

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cancer-services-will-not-fully-resume-until-year-end-under-hse-s-pandemic-plan-1.4517265

But how will an increased number of Covid cases improve the situation?

saabsaab

expectationlost wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Orlaodo/status/1383457314921799687 full report https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0417/1210451-court-quarantine/

Good. Cleared up in spite of what many said here would happen.

faceman

Charles Babbage wrote: »

But how will an increased number of Covid cases improve the situation?

We need to move away at using cases as the sole measure. Look at cases versus hospital numbers at the moment. The groups at most risk of severe covid are vaccinated.

saabsaab

NSAman wrote: »

Saab just a question, when and if you get the vaccine, will you still be hiding away until the Covid pandemic has officially been declared finished?

I ask this not as an insult, but ask you how long you intend to have fear and stop living ?

Personally, there is a risk in every part of life, but it does not stop me trying to get back to normal, with obvious sanitation and hygiene protocols in place.

I have to, I have people to earn a living for, I have family in europe and the states I have to maintain, for me to shut down would mean all of that is at risk. I know many people have already lost everything due to this. It is something that I cannot allow to happen to those that depend on me facing issues and steering a clear path to keep them housed, fed and have a future.

If we live in fear, no one wins, if we shut down everything, everyone looses.

There has to be balance in everything that we do, to protect those that are vulnerable (which is happening) and to allow those people who need to work...to work.

I live in hope not fear. I think we will get out of this soon but only if we play our part and that means me and you not doing anything to increase risk. Opening up too early would be a big and costly mistake for us all on top of all that has been lost already. There is nothing to be gained in opening now or too soon. Like I have stated we may be in that position by June end. (barring a new variant)

Corholio

319 appeals since quarantine started and 22 of them successful with people being released. We haven't heard about 90% of these.

Interesting the judge said today that the status of persons immunity and prior infection was being looked at but no decision had been made yet. Unless we are glacially slow to decide, like a few things, I expect this to be yet another exception to quarantine in the near future.

Irish Aris

Corholio wrote: »

319 appeals since quarantine started and 22 of them successful with people being released. We haven't heard about 90% of these.

Interesting the judge said today that the status of persons immunity and prior infection was being looked at but no decision had been made yet. Unless we are glacially slow to decide, like a few things, I expect this to be yet another exception to quarantine in the near future.

It will be interesting.
I just talked to a friend who apparently is in MHQ at the moment. He was coming back from Croatia - but unfortunately had a 30 minute transit through France.
The funny thing is that he had covid approximately 3 months ago and at the moment he is immune to the virus (thus he hasn't gotten a vaccine yet), but still has to do the full 2 weeks of hotel quarantine.
The whole system definitely needs some fine tuning.

Cluedo Monopoly

Is India on the MHQ list? Covid seems to be out of control there now.

saabsaab

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Is India on the MHQ list? Covid seems to be out of control there now.

No not currently. It should be.

mmclo

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Is India on the MHQ list? Covid seems to be out of control there now.

Don't be silly, the Wallis and Futuna Islands were more important

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

There is nothing to be gained in opening now

Who did you consult with before making this statement on our behalf?

hmmm

Interesting reading further down the RTE report on the quarantine case in the courts. It seems to me that we are looking at a permanent lockdown of the country to keep out variants. I didn't vote for any government to do this.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0416/1210286-quarantine-high-court/

"She pointed to a report that NPHET received two days ago from another EU country which had an outbreak of the South African variant in a nursing home where everyone had been fully vaccinated. This was a major concern, she said."

saabsaab

Deleted User wrote: »

Who did you consult with before making this statement on our behalf?

My Government.